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Would you like to show me a link or is it confidential? it's quite normal when posting figures supporting and argument that the source of those figures are posted along with them.How do these Albanian criminals compare in numbers to other ethnic groupings including English, Scottish and Welsh?How do you know that the Albanians are 'boat people' and not here by immigration channels?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 07, 2022, 09:31:28 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 01, 2022, 12:19:39 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 06:26:45 pmQuote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 11:46:26 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum. Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.Bump.NR.Did you get anywhere with the source of these numbers? I'm interested in seeing them. If you look under world population review you may find them. Sorry don’t have the link.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 01, 2022, 12:19:39 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 06:26:45 pmQuote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 11:46:26 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum. Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.Bump.NR.Did you get anywhere with the source of these numbers? I'm interested in seeing them.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 06:26:45 pmQuote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 11:46:26 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum. Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.Bump.
Quote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 11:46:26 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum. Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum.
NR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?
Quote from: SydneyRover on November 07, 2022, 10:31:35 amWould you like to show me a link or is it confidential? it's quite normal when posting figures supporting and argument that the source of those figures are posted along with them.How do these Albanian criminals compare in numbers to other ethnic groupings including English, Scottish and Welsh?How do you know that the Albanians are 'boat people' and not here by immigration channels? I suspect he read it in the Daily Mail.
I'm just trying to get a fix on what your priorities are, what would make a difference in your life, the UK receiving a few less boat people or being able to get an appointment at the doctors when you need one and a bed in a hospital that's not decaying (hospitals need 10bn spent to bring them up to scratch on buildings and equipment) Yes immigration does make a big difference to the economy, not half or a tenth to what a well run economy would. Parliament having to chase a corrupt government around. The biggest difference immigration makes is it improves and economy.
Quote from: wilts rover on November 06, 2022, 07:33:29 amA new poll out today shows that instead of 'taking back control', a large majority of the public think Brexit has made our borders less secure.According to the latest Opinium poll, 73% think the UK has not been in control of its borders since Brexit. Only 12% think Britain has been in control. Meanwhile, only 9% of the public believe Brexit has made Britain’s ability to manage its borders better, while 45% think it has made it worse.Those who backed Brexit are also taking a dim view. Only 7% of leave voters think the UK is in control of its borders since Brexit, while 85% think it is not.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/most-britons-think-country-has-lost-control-of-its-border-since-brexit-pollVote Tory.Wilts stop quoting’Woke’ Cr’p since we left Europe we can have a look at all entrants, no more convicted Child molesters and Killers just sauntering on the Ferry those 300,000 immigrants Germany let in a large proportion of who ran riot on New Year’s Eve Sexually assaulting Hundreds of German Women , now qualify for a German Passport fortunately we can now check em at the order!
A new poll out today shows that instead of 'taking back control', a large majority of the public think Brexit has made our borders less secure.According to the latest Opinium poll, 73% think the UK has not been in control of its borders since Brexit. Only 12% think Britain has been in control. Meanwhile, only 9% of the public believe Brexit has made Britain’s ability to manage its borders better, while 45% think it has made it worse.Those who backed Brexit are also taking a dim view. Only 7% of leave voters think the UK is in control of its borders since Brexit, while 85% think it is not.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/most-britons-think-country-has-lost-control-of-its-border-since-brexit-pollVote Tory.
I would like to see proof that all boat arrivers claim asylum before I get convinced by figures on refugee status Wilts
That’s the problem Syd, a case of don’t know what we don’t know
This is the future for modern western countries if the birth rate problem is not addressed and somewhat offset with immigration.“Japan's prime minister says his country is on the brink of not being able to function as a society because of its falling birth rate.”“Japan has continued implementing strict immigration laws despite some relaxations, but some experts are now saying that the rules should be loosened further to help tackle its ageing society.”https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-64373950.amp
If people were educated to their potential and better jobs provided maybe they would have more children.