Police, so there is a problem, lets hope this goes to fixing it.

[SydneyRover]

''Johnson said of her appointment that policing needed systemic change: “Black people have been disproportionately affected by policing for decades. Many of us have had personal experiences with the police that have been unsatisfactory, unfair or even harmful and many of us know of others with similar stories''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/03/black-barrister-to-lead-independent-police-oversight-board

[Axholme Lion]

''Johnson said of her appointment that policing needed systemic change: “Black people have been disproportionately affected by policing for decades. Many of us have had personal experiences with the police that have been unsatisfactory, unfair or even harmful and many of us know of others with similar stories''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/03/black-barrister-to-lead-independent-police-oversight-board

I suggest rather than take the Guardian you get Andrex, it's not as scratchy on your bum.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I trust you back the boys in blue. Perhaps this is more palatable to you.

https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/new-independent-chair-appointed-to-scrutinise-a-plan-of-action-on-race

[Sprotyrover]

Bearing in mind that 70% of all current serving frontline Police officers have under 2 years service under their belts, they should easily be educated in the new diversity strategy. However I don't see things getting any better for the Black community as the ethos will be"do all you can to avoid getting involved in anything involving anybody who is not Anglo Saxon, it's just not worth the hassle!

[SydneyRover]

10 years under labour another 11 years under the tories, anyone that could read or watched the news knew what was going on, what is the point in having an elected government if they don't serve all the people.

[SydneyRover]

I would suggest the there needs to be a clean out of the upper levels of the force as those that have risen through the ranks have either been part of the problem or stood by and watched it happen.

[SydneyRover]

It's all here in black and white.

''Met police seek judicial review over senior black officer’s reinstatement
Force insists it was correct to sack decorated black female officer who was sent unsolicited child abuse video''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/03/met-police-seek-judicial-review-over-senior-black-officers-reinstatement

''Ex-Met chief defends Cressida Dick over Daniel Morgan findings
Lord Blair of Boughton criticises independent panel judgment and calls Dick ‘finest officer of generation’''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/16/ex-met-chief-defends-cressida-dick-over-daniel-morgan-findings

[Axholme Lion]

Generally speaking i think the Police are a shower of shit and not fit for purpose. There must be a few OB out there who try their best but think what's the point when criminals are let off with joke sentencing. They never come when you need them such as car crime and burglary, too busy. They are quick enough off the mark for so called hate crimes and like giving it the big 'un pushing football supporters around. There's too many instances of their bully boy tactics on youtube, whether it be against black or white people.

[selby]

  Not at all bothered about colour and gender they can be sky blue with pink dots as far as I am concerned.
  What I am concerned about is the report that says over the last few years only7% of violent crimes reported have ended with an arrest. That is people whoever and whatever rank NOT doing their job and wants sorting.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Or perhaps because there's not being enough officers to cope because their numbers were slashed ten years ago, leading to an increase in crime for the smaller number of officers to fail to cope with.

[selby]

  Glyn, every other industry in the world have less human labour employee's because of technology.
  the police constantly come up with the excuse when they sell property that they need to centralise divisions  and employ modern technology to counter criminals access to technology.
  You can't .it both ways. They are not doing their job, taking the knee in front of demonstrators they were there to control highlighted the situation, the tail is wagging the dog and a lot of the police force are in the wrong job.

[Glyn_Wigley]

What technology investigates crimes and arrests offenders? Or maintains a presence and stops trouble at chucking out time? etc.

What technology can reduce the cost of policing at Rovers, I'm sure they'd love you to tell us all.

Technology is all very well, but it needs money to buy it and enough people to operate it!

[Herbert Anchovy]

I heard this from the horses mouth so to speak.

A bloke I know used to be a copper in the Met for quite a number of years. His view was that, whilst reductions in Police numbers are an issue, by far the biggest problem they have are expectations of what the Police are there to do.

He estimated that about 85% of his job was dealing with domestic issues and mental health issues. When he spoke about domestic issues, he gave me a typical example. The Police received a call from a woman who said that her adult son wouldn’t leave her house. She wanted to go shopping but didn’t want to leave him alone in the house. When asked if she felt in danger she said no, but felt that if he was left in the house he’d pinch something. So the Police were called to go round to sort it out, which took well over an hour. They then had to go back and deal with the paperwork which took another hour. A couple of hours later the woman called again to say he was back at her house sitting in her doorstep….so the Police had to attend again. All in all this one ‘issue’ took up almost all of his shift that day. No crime was committed , nobody was hurt and there was no real incident but it was left to the police to resolve.

[Sprotyrover]

I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'd recommend listening to Alfie Moore's radio programme It's A Fair Cop.

[drfchound]

I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.

Well said sproty

[SydneyRover]

I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.

Having bodycams on every copper 100% while on duty would help expedite matters and probably free up the courts.

''Ex-Hampshire police officer who used racist language found guilty of gross misconduct''

''Wayne Couzens sacked by Metropolitan police after Sarah Everard murder''

''Police officer dismissed from Met only weeks into her job after hitting colleague in the face''

''Devon and Cornwall police officer dismissed for gross misconduct
Published23 July''

''Sussex Police officer sacked after threats about ex-wife''

''Fewer than one in 60 rape cases lead to charge in England and Wales''

took about 5 minutes, all this year and not all by any means, there is something really wrong with the system.

[Sprotyrover]

I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.

Having bodycams on every copper 100% while on duty would help expedite matters and probably free up the courts.

''Ex-Hampshire police officer who used racist language found guilty of gross misconduct''

''Wayne Couzens sacked by Metropolitan police after Sarah Everard murder''

''Police officer dismissed from Met only weeks into her job after hitting colleague in the face''

''Devon and Cornwall police officer dismissed for gross misconduct
Published23 July''

''Sussex Police officer sacked after threats about ex-wife''

''Fewer than one in 60 rape cases lead to charge in England and Wales''

took about 5 minutes, all this year and not all by any means, there is something really wrong with the system.

That's cracking! Get rid of the rubbish and there is some! On a very positive side most Cops love Body Cam, " Is there anything ai can say or do to make you desist your anti social behaviour.?
And as a supervision tool, pC plod on review of you body Cam you stood back and let Pc Jones do your job for you, here is an action plan to help in your development needs!

[SydneyRover]

The police force needs to be seriously rejigged into a community force, as it stand it does not work for the whole of society and it needs stability. The police force cannot absorb 20 thousand new recruits and do it's job properly. that is more than 10%. Police should not be allowed out of the station without bodycam to protect themselves and the public.

[Sprotyrover]

The police force needs to be seriously rejigged into a community force, as it stand it does not work for the whole of society and it needs stability. The police force cannot absorb 20 thousand new recruits and do it's job properly. that is more than 10%. Police should not be allowed out of the station without bodycam to protect themselves and the public.

South Yorkshire Police have recruited 763 New Police officers since April 2019, now 150 retire every year.
They had been cut down from 3,187 Officers in 2006 plus 250 Pcso's
To 2,200 in April 2019. Plus 200 P.cos's. so there are now roughly 2600 Police Officers of whom 45% are trainees.
They have been told to recruit a further 800. With no extra funding. The new Officers will be mainly in the University entry scheme, so they will not be actually effective foe three years! Things will be getting far worse, it will take three to four years before the College of Po,icing realises they have created a fiasco and cancel the University scheme. By which time the 'Student' Officers will have a free degree qualification,a nice looking CV ,an easily earnt £72,000 out of the Public purse and they will be leaving in droves for jobs at the Council and in less arduous roles! When they finally have to put the shoulder to the Cart!

[Axholme Lion]

The police force needs to be seriously rejigged into a community force, as it stand it does not work for the whole of society and it needs stability. The police force cannot absorb 20 thousand new recruits and do it's job properly. that is more than 10%. Police should not be allowed out of the station without bodycam to protect themselves and the public.

South Yorkshire Police have recruited 763 New Police officers since April 2019, now 150 retire every year.
They had been cut down from 3,187 Officers in 2006 plus 250 Pcso's
To 2,200 in April 2019. Plus 200 P.cos's. so there are now roughly 2600 Police Officers of whom 45% are trainees.
They have been told to recruit a further 800. With no extra funding. The new Officers will be mainly in the University entry scheme, so they will not be actually effective foe three years! Things will be getting far worse, it will take three to four years before the College of Po,icing realises they have created a fiasco and cancel the University scheme. By which time the 'Student' Officers will have a free degree qualification,a nice looking CV ,an easily earnt £72,000 out of the Public purse and they will be leaving in droves for jobs at the Council and in less arduous roles! When they finally have to put the shoulder to the Cart!

I would have thought the Police would have been better served looking to recruit former members of the armed forces rather than kids from University with no ideas about the realities of life.

[Sprotyrover]

The police force needs to be seriously rejigged into a community force, as it stand it does not work for the whole of society and it needs stability. The police force cannot absorb 20 thousand new recruits and do it's job properly. that is more than 10%. Police should not be allowed out of the station without bodycam to protect themselves and the public.

South Yorkshire Police have recruited 763 New Police officers since April 2019, now 150 retire every year.
They had been cut down from 3,187 Officers in 2006 plus 250 Pcso's
To 2,200 in April 2019. Plus 200 P.cos's. so there are now roughly 2600 Police Officers of whom 45% are trainees.
They have been told to recruit a further 800. With no extra funding. The new Officers will be mainly in the University entry scheme, so they will not be actually effective foe three years! Things will be getting far worse, it will take three to four years before the College of Po,icing realises they have created a fiasco and cancel the University scheme. By which time the 'Student' Officers will have a free degree qualification,a nice looking CV ,an easily earnt £72,000 out of the Public purse and they will be leaving in droves for jobs at the Council and in less arduous roles! When they finally have to put the shoulder to the Cart!

I would have thought the Police would have been better served looking to recruit former members of the armed forces rather than kids from University with no ideas about the realities of life.

Tell that to the boffins at the royal college of Policing!

[normal rules]

I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.

Poorly paid?
A cop that joined just 7 years ago are now on just over 40k. Then there is the overtime which they can’t give away in my local force.
Then there is detached duty is you are specialist.
It’s a pretty well paid job imho.
But it’s not what it used to be.

[Sprotyrover]

Mate of mine who joined 30 years ago told me new recruits are on what he started on!. I think it takes 10 years to get on £40k but I don't see many getting through the first 3/4 years.

[Sprotyrover]

Not just the Police mt Brother in law joined the Prison service in 1993 and he was on more than what a new Prison officer gets as starting pay today.

[normal rules]

The general public would not believe how much time is spent on areas which Are avoidable. Missing persons enquiries for one. The vast majority of which being children, whose parents have little or no control over.
Then there are the parents themselves and the untold hours spent dealing with domestics and the aftermath.
Both totally avoidable if people were more responsible.
Adults unable to resolve issues without resorting to violence and worse.
Parents unable or unwilling to look after their kids properly.
Take both these areas of policing away, and there would be considerable more time and staff to prevent and detect crime.

[Axholme Lion]

Adults unable to resolve issues without resorting to violence and worse.
Parents unable or unwilling to look after their kids properly.
Take both these areas of policing away, and there would be considerable more time and staff to prevent and detect crime.

Totally agree.
It's like paying your council tax. Other than getting my bins emptied i don't feel i get value for money, what are the council spending my money on i ask? Looking after idiots and their offspring who don't fancy the idea of work.

[Metalmicky]

I saw this on another forum but didn't want to start a new thread.  I'm not sure but is this a case of identity over ability...... a scramble to tick the box? 

Also shows that racism and antisemitism comes in different and varied forms............ and also says that the Met are incompetent. 

I know it's the Daily Mail, but the details seem sound and quotes are from social media.


A Muslim police officer hailed as a role model for confronting anti-lockdown protesters is facing an investigation after it was revealed she tweeted a torrent of racist messages and was in regular contact with a suspected female jihadi in Syria.

26-year-old Ruby Begum, who in the months before joining the Metropolitan Police in 2016 is accused of using Twitter to insult Jews and mock the 9/11 attacks.

She frequently used the offensive term 'kuffar' to describe non-believers, writing in July 2014: 'Kuffar lips have been all over my mug there is no way I'm using that thing again.' Elsewhere she describes Pakistanis as 'p***s'.

As Scotland Yard faced questions over how her rants were missed during vetting, it emerged she communicated over many months with a woman thought to have fled Europe in 2014 to live under the Islamic State's so-called caliphate.

The woman would later acquire notoriety for appearing to defend male terrorists' use of minority group Yazidis as sex slaves.

Most of her Officer Begum's antisemitic comments were made in 2014 when Israel launched a ferocious attack against the Palestinian militant group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

It was prompted by the kidnap and murder of three Israeli teenagers by Hamas. In all, the seven-week conflict claimed more than 2,000 lives, mostly Palestinians.

As the war raged, Miss Begum wrote: 'Dirty Zionist. Jahannam [hell] is awaiting.' In another tweet, she wrote: 'Israel have no limits. Scumbags I can't wait for the day they get severely punished.'

Later that year, she said: 'Zionists have no hearts! They'll get what's coming to them subhanallah [glory be to God].'

She also appears to equate the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with the Holocaust. She wrote in January 2015: 'It's alright when Israel does it #HolocaustRemembranceDay.'

Despite her Asian origin, Miss Begum is also scornful of Pakistanis.

In June 2013, she tweeted to a Twitter user called @rajab_96: 'LOL [laugh-out-loud] it's cos you tweeted about p*** stuff so I thought your [sic] p***. Are you a p***?'

In March 2014, referring to the fierce cricketing rivalry between Pakistan and Bangladesh, Miss Begum tweeted: 'I don't care about cricket, just love this thing between Bengalis and p***s.'

She also mocks the 9/11 attacks in her tweets, even as recently as 2019 when she was a full-time officer in the Met.

On September 11, 2019, as the world marked the 18th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Miss Begum tweeted: 'Omg [O my God] it's 9/11 today? Jokes, I only noticed.'

On the same anniversary in 2014, she tweeted: 'Must be stupid if you think I'm gonna do 2 mins silence for 9/11.'

The Met says she is now on restricted duties.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9872649/Muslim-policewoman-hailed-hero-confronting-anti-lockdown-protesters-tweeted-racist-messages.html

[SydneyRover]

''At least 15 serving or former police have killed women in UK since 2009 – report''

''Sarah Everard: Female officers 'fear reporting male colleagues'''

''Deceived activist Kate Wilson wins tribunal against Met Police''

I haven't put links up as I guess you have all seen the stories, anyone want to dispute there are problems within the force?

''Sarah Everard: Boris Johnson urges public to trust the police''

''Police log 10,000 indecent exposure cases, but fewer than 600 reach court''

''More Than Half of Met Police Officers Found Guilty Of Sexual Misconduct Kept their Jobs''

[normal rules]

Like the rest of the country , I am shocked and dismayed at the actions of this animal. He has got his just desserts and I for one hope he does not make it alive till Xmas. Someone will be out there to shank him. He deserves nothing less.

But once again the media have gone into full flight about how the police can be trusted ever again.
People still go to the doctors despite Harold Shipmans actions. Women still go to hospitals to give birth despite Beverley Allitts murder spree.
I do wonder at times what sort of dystopian world the media would have us live in.