The prison system

[SydneyRover]

There has been quite a few articles on this subject recently, this 'letter to the paper' is worth a read.

''Frances Crook has been a voice of reason in the charity sector for 35 years (The reform of prisons has been my life’s work, but they are still utterly broken, 10 August). Like her, I have led several charities to make some sense of imprisonment and to help people come back into the community better, not worse. She is right that reform is at the bottom of the agenda for recent governments, irrespective of the fact that it costs us all a lot of money.

How many people know that a year in prison costs about £40,000, somewhat more than private schools? The total cost of the roughly 80,000 prisoners in the system is more than £3bn a year. Budgets have been cut year after year and all but the most basic education projects have largely ceased to exist. I chair the board of a small charity, Sussex Pathways, which provides volunteer key workers who work on a release plan with prison residents on a one-to-one basis for about three months, looking at an individual’s needs including housing, health, addictions, education, family ties, employment and so on. The reduction in the likelihood of reoffending is about 80%, whereas without this support, it’s the exact opposite. It shouldn’t just be down to charities to try to mend some of the most challenging of society’s ills''

There was a good minister in NSW that was ready to invest time and money in reform of this nature but when the murdoch rags got hold of it they forced the government to kick it into the long grass.

[Sprotyrover]

I did a great deal of this type of work in the Prison system. The input is mainly from 'Charities' a term which in this case covers a lefty libertine organisation that survives on massive handouts from Government funded Organisations in the Country, they try to 'milk' everybody Local Goverment, Councils, Probation, NHS ,Police, fire, Ambulance,National lottery philanthropists anybody, they actually only have a tiny proportion of income from Donations from Joe Public,
These 'Charities' proliferated under the Blair Government and £billions were chucked at them,most of them recruited ex cons as examples of their success.
Of course they crumbled like a pack of Cards under the Coaltion Austerity Government,a demise in fortunate which nearly matched the Policing system. But the outcomes were less severe,the folks who engaged were the low level prolific shoplifters/ car crime thieves.
The hard core of criminality were all members of Organised crime groups,Gangs to you and me. They did not would not engage and if they did it cost the State hundreds of thousands, re housing them and their families which became targets for revenge.
Prison does work but only on folks doing 3 years and over, they do engage, the rest carry on cocooned by their fellow gang members in and out of Prison. I would tend to disregard any disparaging articles in lefty rags written by CEO and directors of such Charities who are merely bleating because their £100k plus nice little earnings are threatened.

[SydneyRover]

Wouldn't you think it needs a bi-partisan sustained effort sprot? 3 billion a year is wasted with most of it being unproductive. What is the ratio of hardened gang criminals to those that made a mistake or just plain don't fit in with society, their family ............

With rehabilitation you reduce the numbers returning to jail and start to take away the foot soldiers from the gangs.

[Metalmicky]

I agree with you there sprotyrover – when I did Youth Offending work I would often find that Charities were largely publicly funded ‘businesses’ that used the charity umbrella to cash in on as many handouts as they could.  A case in point is my neighbour who works for a shelter charity and tells me that most of their funding comes from national and local government sources but that there is money/grants available from a variety of sources if you look in the right places. They also benefit from having a wealthy benefactor who subsidise the charity further whilst receiving lauded praise for his contributions..... and no doubt claiming tax relief at the same time.   

[Sprotyrover]

Wouldn't you think it needs a bi-partisan sustained effort sprot? 3 billion a year is wasted with most of it being unproductive. What is the ratio of hardened gang criminals to those that made a mistake or just plain don't fit in with society, their family ............

With rehabilitation you reduce the numbers returning to jail and start to take away the foot soldiers from the gangs.

No you are wrong we are saving £3 Billion and the rest by not throwing it at 'Charities' you will only break down the Gangs by tackling the issue of young offenders, the hard core get molly coddled in the libertine Social care system and when they hit 18 they have been recruited , indoctrinated and are hardened criminals, the 'Shock' they get is the 4 year prison sentence they get just after their 18th Birthday which is due to the 20 plus convictions they got as Juveniles.
I really believe that a Boot Camp run by ex cons on n uninhabited island would sort em out. Ex cons know the system they have earned the 'T' shirt and know how to stop it happening to young offenders.

[SydneyRover]

Wouldn't you think it needs a bi-partisan sustained effort sprot? 3 billion a year is wasted with most of it being unproductive. What is the ratio of hardened gang criminals to those that made a mistake or just plain don't fit in with society, their family ............

With rehabilitation you reduce the numbers returning to jail and start to take away the foot soldiers from the gangs.

No you are wrong we are saving £3 Billion and the rest by not throwing it at 'Charities' you will only break down the Gangs by tackling the issue of young offenders, the hard core get molly coddled in the libertine Social care system and when they hit 18 they have been refuted, indoctrinated and are hardened criminals, the 'Shock' they get is the 4 year prison sentence they get just after their 18th Birthday which is due to the 20 plus convictions they got as Juveniles.
I really believe that a Boot Camp run by ex cons on n uninhabited island would sort em out. Ex cons know the system they have earned the 'T' shirt and know how to stop it happening to young offenders.

Try and read my comment as though I wrote it not yourself sprot.

[Sprotyrover]

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Wouldn't you think it needs a bi-partisan sustained effort sprot? 3 billion a year is wasted with most of it being unproductive. What is the ratio of hardened gang criminals to those that made a mistake or just plain don't fit in with society, their family ............

With rehabilitation you reduce the numbers returning to jail and start to take away the foot soldiers from the gangs.

No you are wrong we are saving £3 Billion and the rest by not throwing it at 'Charities' you will only break down the Gangs by tackling the issue of young offenders, the hard core get molly coddled in the libertine Social care system and when they hit 18 they have been refuted, indoctrinated and are hardened criminals, the 'Shock' they get is the 4 year prison sentence they get just after their 18th Birthday which is due to the 20 plus convictions they got as Juveniles.
I really believe that a Boot Camp run by ex cons on n uninhabited island would sort em out. Ex cons know the system they have earned the 'T' shirt and know how to stop it happening to young offenders.

Try and read my comment as though I wrote it not yourself sprot.
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Why Don't  you try to be less condescending, you are out of your depth yet again and resorting to childish remarks!

[River Don]

Why is it that the UK has by far the largest relative prison population in Western Europe and it's suicide rate is so high?

[SydneyRover]

[qubote author=Sprotyrover link=topic=281841.msg1077325#msg1077325 date=1628851328]

Wouldn't you think it needs a bi-partisan sustained effort sprot? 3 billion a year is wasted with most of it being unproductive. What is the ratio of hardened gang criminals to those that made a mistake or just plain don't fit in with society, their family ............

With rehabilitation you reduce the numbers returning to jail and start to take away the foot soldiers from the gangs.

No you are wrong we are saving £3 Billion and the rest by not throwing it at 'Charities' you will only break down the Gangs by tackling the issue of young offenders, the hard core get molly coddled in the libertine Social care system and when they hit 18 they have been refuted, indoctrinated and are hardened criminals, the 'Shock' they get is the 4 year prison sentence they get just after their 18th Birthday which is due to the 20 plus convictions they got as Juveniles.
I really believe that a Boot Camp run by ex cons on n uninhabited island would sort em out. Ex cons know the system they have earned the 'T' shirt and know how to stop it happening to young offenders.

Try and read my comment as though I wrote it not yourself sprot.
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Why Don't  you try to be less condescending, you are out of your depth yet again and resorting to childish remarks!

Your reply above above either ignores what I wrote or implies something I didn't write, that's fairly condescending don't you think, sprot

[roversdude]

Think it’s slightly ironic that you started this thread SydneyRover lol

[ravenrover]

Well looks like we have someone on the Chat page who can offer 1st hand experience of our prison system

[SydneyRover]

Well looks like we have someone on the Chat page who can offer 1st hand experience of our prison system

So we have RR, let's put ex-cons in charge of the young offenders program it makes so much sense.

''I really believe that a Boot Camp run by ex cons on n uninhabited island would sort em out. Ex cons know the system they have earned the 'T' shirt and know how to stop it happening to young offenders''

[sha66y]

Capital punishment for murderers …… not necessarily public, but the occasional YouTube sneaky peek might satisfy those that see bad as fundamentally bad….and retribution as the stroke that breaks the liberalised shackles that keep bad people alive!

This is my opinion only, and as archaic as it may appear it is the opinion I believe metres out the best justice…

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DrsVhzbLzU

[SydneyRover]

Good to see someone with experience at the coal face that can speak up for the youth of Britain, they are being let down by a government that sees saving money as a better option than spending it where required.

''Cuts to youth services in England amounting to £660m over the past decade have fuelled antisocial behaviour and violent crime, Keir Starmer will say on Monday.

The Labour leader said his experience as a former director of public prosecutions showed that youth workers, youth centres and other services aimed at young people were a key plank of early intervention against the causes of crime''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/15/tory-cuts-to-english-youth-services-fuelling-says-keir-starmer

[Sprotyrover]

Good to see someone with experience at the coal face that can speak up for the youth of Britain, they are being let down by a government that sees saving money as a better option than spending it where required.

''Cuts to youth services in England amounting to £660m over the past decade have fuelled antisocial behaviour and violent crime, Keir Starmer will say on Monday.

The Labour leader said his experience as a former director of public prosecutions showed that youth workers, youth centres and other services aimed at young people were a key plank of early intervention against the causes of crime''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/15/tory-cuts-to-english-youth-services-fuelling-says-keir-starmer

I myself like the majority of voters take whatever Keir Stammer says with a 'pinch of Salt' Nanny knows best and all of that!

[SydneyRover]

Skull Island

send all your delinquents here and magically transform them into model conservatives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong:_Skull_Island

[SydneyRover]

Good to see someone with experience at the coal face that can speak up for the youth of Britain, they are being let down by a government that sees saving money as a better option than spending it where required.

''Cuts to youth services in England amounting to £660m over the past decade have fuelled antisocial behaviour and violent crime, Keir Starmer will say on Monday.

The Labour leader said his experience as a former director of public prosecutions showed that youth workers, youth centres and other services aimed at young people were a key plank of early intervention against the causes of crime''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/15/tory-cuts-to-english-youth-services-fuelling-says-keir-starmer

I myself like the majority of voters take whatever Keir Stammer says with a 'pinch of Salt' Nanny knows best and all of that!

Again you don't address the comment at all, what do you do in your room all day?