9/11 20th anniversary.

[Filo]

Heard something on Sky News today, that the Afgan Army outnumbered the Taliban 4 to 1, had all the hardware to fight the Taliban, how have they been defeated in a week, did they ever put up a fight, many many British service personel were killed fighting for their freedom, and they ran away, gave it all up in a week. What must the families of all those British soldiers that were killed be thinking now, or people like Ben Parkinson that suffered life changing injuries, all for nothing, Afganistan is back to where it was 20 years ago

[SydneyRover]

Non Taliban leave afghan.
Then carpet bomb every f**king square kilometre. Twice over.

The pop of Afghanistan is 38m with and estimated 150,000 Taliban fighters, let's take that up to 500,000 just so we are not accused of fudging.

Better get the 4 star hotels ready.

[Bentley Bullet]

Heard something on Sky News today, that the Afgan Army outnumbered the Taliban 4 to 1, had all the hardware to fight the Taliban, how have they been defeated in a week, did they ever put up a fight, many many British service personel were killed fighting for their freedom, and they ran away, gave it all up in a week. What must the families of all those British soldiers that were killed be thinking now, or people like Ben Parkinson that suffered life changing injuries, all for nothing, Afganistan is back to where it was 20 years ago

Now I'm not going to pretend I know much about this, but am I right in saying the Afghan's themselves aren't willing to defend their country against the Taliban?

[drfchound]

Heard something on Sky News today, that the Afgan Army outnumbered the Taliban 4 to 1, had all the hardware to fight the Taliban, how have they been defeated in a week, did they ever put up a fight, many many British service personel were killed fighting for their freedom, and they ran away, gave it all up in a week. What must the families of all those British soldiers that were killed be thinking now, or people like Ben Parkinson that suffered life changing injuries, all for nothing, Afganistan is back to where it was 20 years ago

Now I'm not going to pretend I know much about this, but am I right in saying the Afghan's themselves aren't willing to defend their country against the Taliban?

It certainly looks that way.

[drfchound]

All those British servicemen died in vain, young lives wasted, how have the Afgan Military collapsed so quickly, they have the hardware and the training to put up a fight, but it seems they never had the stomach for a fight

Muslims don’t like taking fellow Muslims lives….

But that is what is happening.
Afghan women on the news reporting that groups of men are being herded together and murdered by the Taliban.
Pity anyone who did anything to assist the Allied forces over the last few years.

[River Don]

Biden and his people were worried about the optics of Saigon.

What they have here is worse.

America is defeated by a few backward tribesmen with AK47s. They have thousands of terrified, desperate people clamouring to get away at the airport.

And they are going to have to abandon most of them to inhuman reprisals.

This is an absolute shitshow.

[SydneyRover]

Biden and his people were worried about the optics of Saigon.

What they have here is worse.

America is defeated by a few backward tribesmen with AK47s. They have thousands of terrified, desperate people clamouring to get away at the airport.

And they are going to have to abandon most of them to inhuman reprisals.

This is an absolute shitshow.

I'm not sure we're talking about a few backwards tribesmen RD but defeated the whole of the western allies most certainly are not just the US. The west should never follow each other in to invade a foreign country without a clear idea of why, why are we going there, what are we going to achieve, how are we to measure success and when are we going to leave. This will be a stain in Biden's copy book.

[Filo]

The Afgan men have a lot to answer for, instead of flocking to the airport in their thousands, they should be standing and fighting for their Country, like the Afgan Army they appear to be cowards

[SydneyRover]

The Afgan men have a lot to answer for, instead of flocking to the airport in their thousands, they should be standing and fighting for their Country, like the Afgan Army they appear to be cowards

Afghan army soldiers could be headed home to protect their family, I would think they are burning their uniforms right now, if they stayed to fight and lost the Taliban could take make their family pay. They are generally tribespeople as is the Taliban and they don't see it the same way we do.

[chrisfisher]

The Afgan men have a lot to answer for, instead of flocking to the airport in their thousands, they should be standing and fighting for their Country, like the Afgan Army they appear to be cowards

If the shit hit the fan here, would you stand and fight or try and get your family out?

[Filo]

The Afgan men have a lot to answer for, instead of flocking to the airport in their thousands, they should be standing and fighting for their Country, like the Afgan Army they appear to be cowards

If the shit hit the fan here, would you stand and fight or try and get your family out?

Yes, without a doubt, look at the pictures, I see no Afgan Women trying to get on aircraft at Kabul airport

[chrisfisher]

The Afgan men have a lot to answer for, instead of flocking to the airport in their thousands, they should be standing and fighting for their Country, like the Afgan Army they appear to be cowards

If the shit hit the fan here, would you stand and fight or try and get your family out?

I've seen plenty of kids though.

Yes, without a doubt, look at the pictures, I see no Afgan Women trying to get on aircraft at Kabul airport

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Easy to say what we'd do from here. The reality when you could be killed driving down a country road is much different.

[German Rover]

I did 18 months in total in Afghanistan, the place totally consumed my life from 25 to 35, and stole my mental health and well being.

I'm currently sat in my barracks trying to think about how I'm the lucky one because I got in and out in one piece.

I'm Devastated for the families of those who didn't come back. Kids who no longer have dads, for what? The taliban to return immediately, and those we trained and fought alongside to give up immediately.

Totally emotionally wiped out here.

[chrisfisher]

And then you've got f**king idiots like this

https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/16/british-student-claims-to-be-stuck-in-afghanistan-after-holiday-to-warzone-15096354/

[Filo]

I did 18 months in total in Afghanistan, the place totally consumed my life from 25 to 35, and stole my mental health and well being.

I'm currently sat in my barracks trying to think about how I'm the lucky one because I got in and out in one piece.

I'm Devastated for the families of those who didn't come back. Kids who no longer have dads, for what? The taliban to return immediately, and those we trained and fought alongside to give up immediately.

Totally emotionally wiped out here.

I feel for you, but remember, it wasn’t your fault, you did your job, the politician’s are to blame, and the Afgan Army for giving up with a whimper 

[wilts rover]

Twitter thread from an ex-soldier who appears to know stuff:

Here's what actually happened in Afghanistan:

1. Feb 2020 @mikepompeo gives in to Taliban at Doha, releases prisoners (including current leader), ends sanctions and has Trump announce date.

2. Learning of this deal desertions within the Afghan forces immediately increases.

3. The Taliban immediately start the takeover. Offering amnesty and cash to village governors and military forces so they can just roll on through without confrontation.

4. Desertions start to snowball, this has been known for well over a year in the special forces community.

5. The Taliban works their deals for over a year and a half moving from the outskirts to the provincial leadership thus ensuring an unchecked march all the way to Kabul when the time comes.

6. US begins withdrawal, it doesn't matter who the president is, the Taliban rolls in.

Pompeo's deal and Trump stating the Taliban are a force of good that will fight terrorism was the final nail in the coffin regarding the morale/loyalty of the vast majority of the Afghani leaders and military. If you must play the blame game for the withdrawal, there's the facts.

https://twitter.com/turningbones/status/1427148692616777731

If you wanna argue about it - argue with him.

My thoughts and condolences with the Afghan people and all our troops who were deployed there - its not their fault.

[wilts rover]

Johnson sent 2 Para out on Friday - then went on holiday! No wonder he wouldn't recall Parliament over the weekend.

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1427234825363206150

[bahrain rover]

It's a sad aspect of modern society. We have decided it's too hard, it shouldn't be our problem and we will allow millions of women and kids be treated as they will be by the Taliban.  But at least we saved some money and effort it brought.

I do wonder what modern politicians would have done in the 30s and 40s dealing with the Nazi party.

The women and children will be treat exactly as muslim women and children should be treat…….. I guess you have to go live in a Muslim country to understand……

Sorry I'm not really sure the point you're trying to make with that?

I am not sure either the point being made, especially if coming out of a person with no 1st hand experience. I work in Saudi Arabia and my home when not at work is in Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao Philippines. And I can assure you neither regions are as what you are lead to believe or think. At least 50% of the management in my work are women here in Saudi. And back home in Mindanao, we have female family members high up in local and regional government, and 2 are Senitors. My wife is University educated so as to follow in the family tradition of local government when she is ready to take up duties involved. Basically as the old saying goes don't believe everything you read or are told in the media. Yes I accept there are reigions where its more tough for women, but your statement was aimed or appeared to be in general.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Afgan men have a lot to answer for, instead of flocking to the airport in their thousands, they should be standing and fighting for their Country, like the Afgan Army they appear to be cowards

If the shit hit the fan here, would you stand and fight or try and get your family out?

Yes, without a doubt, look at the pictures, I see no Afgan Women trying to get on aircraft at Kabul airport

What would you do against organised militia armed with automatic weapons?

[Glyn_Wigley]

And then you've got f**king idiots like this

https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/16/british-student-claims-to-be-stuck-in-afghanistan-after-holiday-to-warzone-15096354/

Perhaps he believed Boris's reassurances.

[normal rules]

Un believable footage of people trying to cling onto an American c17 plane when it takes off. Footage later shows them falling from what must be a fatal height as the plane ascends away from Kabul.
https://youtu.be/3XoV5gV2gUU

[Sprotyrover]

I did 18 months in total in Afghanistan, the place totally consumed my life from 25 to 35, and stole my mental health and well being.

I'm currently sat in my barracks trying to think about how I'm the lucky one because I got in and out in one piece.

I'm Devastated for the families of those who didn't come back. Kids who no longer have dads, for what? The taliban to return immediately, and those we trained and fought alongside to give up immediately.

Totally emotionally wiped out here.

I feel for you, but remember, it wasn’t your fault, you did your job, the politician’s are to blame, and the Afgan Army for giving up with a whimper 

What thoughts must be going through the minds of those who lost a son, Daughter,Husband,Dad, equally the ex service members who lost body parts or witnessed this occurring, it all seems it was for naff all all that suffering for nothing!

[Redandwhite]

I did 18 months in total in Afghanistan, the place totally consumed my life from 25 to 35, and stole my mental health and well being.

I'm currently sat in my barracks trying to think about how I'm the lucky one because I got in and out in one piece.

I'm Devastated for the families of those who didn't come back. Kids who no longer have dads, for what? The taliban to return immediately, and those we trained and fought alongside to give up immediately.

Totally emotionally wiped out here.

Thankyou for your service , next time your in belle Vue bar, you shouldn't have to buy a pint.

[scawsby steve]

I did 18 months in total in Afghanistan, the place totally consumed my life from 25 to 35, and stole my mental health and well being.

I'm currently sat in my barracks trying to think about how I'm the lucky one because I got in and out in one piece.

I'm Devastated for the families of those who didn't come back. Kids who no longer have dads, for what? The taliban to return immediately, and those we trained and fought alongside to give up immediately.

Totally emotionally wiped out here.

Thankyou for your service , next time your in belle Vue bar, you shouldn't have to buy a pint.

If he walked round the ground, he should be applauded, as should anyone who served their country in that hellhole.

[normal rules]

Well, according to the Taliban leaders, the war is over. When do we start shipping back Afghan migrants?

[Filo]

I did 18 months in total in Afghanistan, the place totally consumed my life from 25 to 35, and stole my mental health and well being.

I'm currently sat in my barracks trying to think about how I'm the lucky one because I got in and out in one piece.

I'm Devastated for the families of those who didn't come back. Kids who no longer have dads, for what? The taliban to return immediately, and those we trained and fought alongside to give up immediately.

Totally emotionally wiped out here.

I feel for you, but remember, it wasn’t your fault, you did your job, the politician’s are to blame, and the Afgan Army for giving up with a whimper 

What thoughts must be going through the minds of those who lost a son, Daughter,Husband,Dad, equally the ex service members who lost body parts or witnessed this occurring, it all seems it was for naff all all that suffering for nothing!

I know someone who lost a Son 18 years old killed in Sangin by a sniper, they must be thinking it was all in vain, they lost a Son for nothing. Ben Parkinson, severely injured and brain damaged for nothing, what must his and his families thoughts be? And also the many more killed and injured service men, let down by by our political leaders who never go anywhere near a bullet or an IED

[BillyStubbsTears]

Un believable footage of people trying to cling onto an American c17 plane when it takes off. Footage later shows them falling from what must be a fatal height as the plane ascends away from Kabul.
https://youtu.be/3XoV5gV2gUU

That is horrific. That will be the grim abiding image of a total failure by the West's politicians. They should hang their heads in shame.

They have asked both our troops and the supporters in Afghanistan to follow our policians' judgement for 20 years. Then they wash their hands of the situation they created.

Just awful.

[SydneyRover]

I did 18 months in total in Afghanistan, the place totally consumed my life from 25 to 35, and stole my mental health and well being.

I'm currently sat in my barracks trying to think about how I'm the lucky one because I got in and out in one piece.

I'm Devastated for the families of those who didn't come back. Kids who no longer have dads, for what? The taliban to return immediately, and those we trained and fought alongside to give up immediately.

Totally emotionally wiped out here.

It's hard to know how to reply to your personal experience without feeling a bit inadequate. I have had a couple of friends now and in the past that were servicemen and it was obvious that they had been damaged if not by specific incidents then certainly the cumulative effects of service life. I can never get it out of my head after meeting up that these men had not been cared for or looked after to ensure that while they served or when they left the service they are in the best space possible. Whether they saw themselves in trouble was something I couldn't and didn't ask but it is certainly something the service should have asked in private and helped them with. You have my sympathies and respect.

[Draytonian III]

And then you've got f**king idiots like this

https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/16/british-student-claims-to-be-stuck-in-afghanistan-after-holiday-to-warzone-15096354/

This pillock is a complete tool, he seems to think he’s in a video game !!