Cabbage pickers being offered £20 an hour in Lincolnshire.

[normal rules]

On look north tonight.

[IDM]

Do they have to pay good and accommodation out of that.?

Supply and demand eh.?

[Axholme Lion]

Who would have thought it? Flooding the country with eastern europeans kept down wages for British workers. Brexit benefit.

[normal rules]

Lorry drivers (some) now on 54grand a year.

[Draytonian III]

£20 an hour !!! It’ll be piece work and I very much doubt many will hit it. I’ll ask my mate who works in the fields if he’s on that

[sha66y]

I’m not a cabbage picker I’m a cabbage pickers son, I’m only picking cabbages till the cabbage picker comes ……..

[rich1471]

Lorry drivers and cabbage pickers will not be on that, spoke to a brakes drive who delivery food to work , they have had a pay rise of 3.5 k per year to 32 k per year 

[normal rules]

Not all, I said some. Naylors farms near spalding are paying £20 per hr. to pick cabbage.
Waitrose are paying lorry drivers just shy of 54k.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Most companies are not paying that to lorry drivers and it won't last, they'll be under consultation before long.

[normal rules]

The shortage of lorry drivers isn’t going to be resolved anytime soon. Wetherspoons reporting shortage of beer in chains due to same.
Diet Coke also in short supply in supermarkets.
Milkshakes in Mac Donald’s
The list goes on.
They reckon there is a shortage of tens of thousands of drivers.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Paying more to lorry drivers doesn't solve the shortage as it doesn't increase the number of qualified drivers. It only encourages existing drivers to go to higher paid jobs and leave their current employers in the lurch and increase the chaos.

[Bentley Bullet]

Apparently, there are thousands of LGV licence holders not driving trucks. Perhaps a pay increase will encourage them back into the job.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Apparently, there are thousands of LGV licence holders not driving trucks. Perhaps a pay increase will encourage them back into the job.

...resulting in a decrease in wages for truck drivers.

Supply and demand.

Meanwhile, the macro effect of supply chain dislocations will have a significant negative effect on the wider economy - hence other folks' income.

[Axholme Lion]

Some folk are never happy. The so called champions of the working class are moaning because working people are being paid more!

[Bentley Bullet]

Apparently, there are thousands of LGV licence holders not driving trucks. Perhaps a pay increase will encourage them back into the job.

...resulting in a decrease in wages for truck drivers.

Supply and demand.

Meanwhile, the macro effect of supply chain dislocations will have a significant negative effect on the wider economy - hence other folks' income.

Rubbish

[BillyStubbsTears]

Some folk are never happy. The so called champions of the working class are moaning because working people are being paid more!

Not moaning. Simply pointing out logical consequences. Fascinating how the usual suspects on here get arsey when logic comes into an argument.

This is not a sustainable situation. Yes, because supply of truck drivers currently doesn't meet demand, wages go up. But if all these ex-truckers come back into the industry, there be plenty of supply of labour, so companies won't have to pay higher wages.

Not sure which bit of that you and BB don't get.

[Axholme Lion]

Some folk are never happy. The so called champions of the working class are moaning because working people are being paid more!

Not moaning. Simply pointing out logical consequences. Fascinating how the usual suspects on here get arsey when logic comes into an argument.

This is not a sustainable situation. Yes, because supply of truck drivers currently doesn't meet demand, wages go up. But if all these ex-truckers come back into the industry, there be plenty of supply of labour, so companies won't have to pay higher wages.

Not sure which bit of that you and BB don't get.

That argument applies to anything. If we are awash with brain surgeons then they would be paid accordingly. You take it while you can get it and if for the foreseeable these workers are earning more then that is good for them or would you rather they were all on the minimum wage?

[normal rules]

 I personally think lorry drivers ( and many others ) have been underpaid for years.  I drove HGV for Sainsbury’s for 6 weeks in between leaving the forces and starting my 2nd career. Utterly garbage pay for the working conditions and hours.
I hope those lorry drivers who are enjoying better pay get good nailed on contracts so that employers cannot cut their pay back to ridiculously low levels.

[BillyStubbsTears]

AL
Yes, of course that argument applies to anything.

And yes of course the current increase in wages for truckers is good for them and I don't begrudge them that at all. What the f**k makes you think I want them to be on minimum wages?

My point is that their current increase in wages is due to a major fault in the supply chain. There are not enough truck drivers to move all the goods that need moving. Paying them more doesn't suddenly magic up extra capacity. So the entire economy suffers as a result and the consequence is that some other poor t**t loses their job or has reduced hours. So this is not a sustainable situation.

Meantime, the higher costs of paying truckers more get passed onto customers in higher prices. So that leads to higher inflation, which reduces everyone else's standard of living, including the folk who work in the shops that the truckers supply.

So, yes, great for a tiny number of working class folk. Bad for the rest of the working class. As I say, this is just NOT a sustainable way to up wages.

The way the Market works to correct this is that, if and when we get more truckers in the market, haulage companies won't have to pay higher wages to attract the few drivers there are at the moment. So you have two choices - macroeconomic hit through the supply chain not having enough capacity. Or enough capacity provided, in which case there's no drive to pay higher wages.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I personally think lorry drivers ( and many others ) have been underpaid for years.  I drove HGV for Sainsbury’s for 6 weeks in between leaving the forces and starting my 2nd career. Utterly garbage pay for the working conditions and hours.
I hope those lorry drivers who are enjoying better pay get good nailed on contracts so that employers cannot cut their pay back to ridiculously low levels.

Agreed 100%. But that needs the entire industry to buy into paying more, including us as consumers.

[belton rover]

I personally think lorry drivers ( and many others ) have been underpaid for years.  I drove HGV for Sainsbury’s for 6 weeks in between leaving the forces and starting my 2nd career. Utterly garbage pay for the working conditions and hours.
I hope those lorry drivers who are enjoying better pay get good nailed on contracts so that employers cannot cut their pay back to ridiculously low levels.

Agreed 100%. But that needs the entire industry to buy into paying more, including us as consumers.

And this is an opportunity for that to happen. An opportunity that would NEVER have been an option without us leaving the EU.

[Glyn_Wigley]

We wouldn't have had the opportunity to have empty shelves in shops either!

[belton rover]

Glyn. If you not having a Maccies’ milkshake with your burger or a cheap pint with your pie and chips at ‘Spoons means that drivers in Britain might eventually be appreciated more by their employers and consumers, then I can live with that.

[normal rules]

I personally think lorry drivers ( and many others ) have been underpaid for years.  I drove HGV for Sainsbury’s for 6 weeks in between leaving the forces and starting my 2nd career. Utterly garbage pay for the working conditions and hours.
I hope those lorry drivers who are enjoying better pay get good nailed on contracts so that employers cannot cut their pay back to ridiculously low levels.

Agreed 100%. But that needs the entire industry to buy into paying more, including us as consumers.

I certainly don’t mind an extra few pence on staple foods /beer etc so that drivers get paid better. At least this recent uplift in some areas is a start. I hope it spreads.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Glyn. If you not having a Maccies’ milkshake with your burger or a cheap pint with your pie and chips at ‘Spoons means that drivers in Britain might eventually be appreciated more by their employers and consumers, then I can live with that.

I can live with that too. I can't stand milk (so never have milkshake, and certainly have no idea what the hell a 'Maccies' is) and I only really have a drink at Christmas. You'd know more about Spoons than me, I'd wager, as I've never knowingly been in one and you seem to know what's on the menu.

You really need to brush up your stereotypes as you're looking silly now!

[belton rover]

Not stereotypes at all Glyn. ‘Maccies’ and ‘Spoons’ is cool speak for Macdonald’s and Wetherspoon’s, both directly quoted previously as running out of milk shakes and beer, respectively.
Silly boy.
And if I chose to put you in a stereotypical box, believe me, it wouldn’t be either of those.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Well, MacDonalds and Weatherspoons obviously mean more to you than me. Probably because I grew up in a town with neither within a very large radius.

[belton rover]

What food items have you missed out on during this truck driver crisis? Perhaps we could come up with a scenario that you do care about.

[normal rules]

Good grief chaps.I thought the whole thing about some of the countries backbone workers getting a bit of extra dosh was a positive thing. Now it’s descended into a tit for tat over powdered milkshakes and cheap beer.

[drfchound]

I only see one person having a go at lorry drivers earning more pay.