Racism in hungary

[belton rover]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

That, Hound, is a great question.
The fact is that apart from saying and believing racism is wrong and should be eradicated, I don’t think I have actually ‘done’ anything about it.

If I were a professional footballer I imagine I would take the knee if my team mates did and not take the knee if they didn’t.

Quite shameful really.

Also, I would support England pulling out of Qatar but I f they don’t, I shall be cheering them on to win the World Cup.

[knockers]

Someone on our neighbourhood forum was asking if anyone knew a Black bin cleaner.
Equality for all I say!

[sha66y]

Nothing will change while good people do nothing

Nothing will change until those directly affected do something instead of worrying about their fcukin personal profile….and expecting everyone else to make a stand for them……… if ya pissed, stay pissed, get angry …but DO SOMETHING,!

Sounds like you know more about what they want than they do shaggy

I don’t know more than them , but I’m damned sure that if I had their finances I would be in a position to say enough is enough……..and mean it!
I hate fcukin cowards, and all these bame’s want me to help their cause but do bugger all themselves….

If racism is a problem then what are those being abused doing about it.. ?
And don’t say whining once a microphone appears, I want to see positive affirmative action from those affected so I can be serious in my support of it……otherwise I see those with the tools to force change …….not forcing change..

[sha66y]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

Nobody can actually answer that question hound , because racism is something that happens somewhere else and only becomes apparent when we get told about it…., I’ve never personally witnessed any form of racial abuse on home soil,…I’ve heard work colleagues using unsavoury language regarding BAME’s and I have in truth told them they are dumbshit red pecker racists, but most of their points are just personal opinions, and I have to recognise that though my opinions do differ…

I was subjected to acceptable personal racial abuse for 3 years and 4 months in Saudi and I thought it was rather boring and tiresome, even though my job was on the line every day if I didn’t accept it…..

That’s probably why I get angry about this whole subject ……

Oh yeah I forget…..I strung up a mob of Hartlepudlians for hanging a Monkey once!

[drfchound]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

Nobody can actually answer that question hound , because racism is something that happens somewhere else and only becomes apparent when we get told about it…., I’ve never personally witnessed any form of racial abuse on home soil,…I’ve heard work colleagues using unsavoury language regarding BAME’s and I have in truth told them they are dumbshit red pecker racists, but most of their points are just personal opinions, and I have to recognise that though my opinions do differ…

I was subjected to acceptable personal racial abuse for 3 years and 4 months in Saudi and I thought it was rather boring and tiresome, even though my job was on the line every day if I didn’t accept it…..

That’s probably why I get angry about this whole subject ……

Oh yeah I forget…..I strung up a mob of Hartlepudlians for hanging a Monkey once!

Well, AL said he has booed the racists so he did answer the question.
It is a genuine question too, no malice intended.
Belton said he hasn’t actually done anything but said what he would probably do if he was a footballer.
It will be interesting to see what others might have done to address racism but it has been very quiet so far given how strong some posters feelings have been about it.

[selby]

  Hound, I have played sport cricket and football squash etc with a host of different nationalities, and worked with a host of too many to list foreign nationals in the oil, mining and  engineering business for the German company Thyssens.
  Never had a problem with any, but lot's of laughs.

[drfchound]

I know you well enough to know that you aren’t racist despite what some posters have said.
However, to answer the question, have you actually done anything to try to stamp out racism.

[turnbull for england]

  Hound, I have played sport cricket and football squash etc with a host of different nationalities, and worked with a host of too many to list foreign nationals in the oil, mining and  engineering business for the German company Thyssens.
  Never had a problem with any, but lot's of laughs.

That's kind of the point of all this though isn't it ,  the "I've never had a problem with anyone ''  it's not  your view point that matters as it's not your experience that's up for discussion. I don't mean this as a dig at you , I've no idea who you are , your background or anything. From this post though you as many of us are me included are middle ,later aged white blokes so chances are we wouldn't have experienced racism or really noticed if we were inadvertently offending. It's the conversation that goes on when we've left the room that we might not be aware of, and a millon others that it is being protested about . Honestly not having a go, I genuinely doubt many people are truly determinedly racist and can't see anyone who support a modern football club like ours could be

[normal rules]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

I spent a year of my life in Bosnia helping to prevent the Racist Nationalist Serbs killing Bosnians through ethnic cleansing. Does this count?

[drfchound]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

I spent a year of my life in Bosnia helping to prevent the Racist Nationalist Serbs killing Bosnians through ethnic cleansing. Does this count?

It does indeed NR.
I read a book a few years ago from someone in a similar position to you.
It was very harrowing.
Not all racism is white v black.
(Or for balance, black v white).

[normal rules]

I’ve often said I’d like to go back some time.Sarajevo would probably be quite nice now, Mostar is stunning, prob even better now they have rebuilt the famous old bridge. Sarajevo has its own ski resort which I’ve always fancied. Cheap skiing, provided you can dodge the minefields . It’s a beautiful country but the people have real issues. Neighbours killing each other over which flag they hang outside their house.
On sundays we used to see people with pigs strung up in their front garden on diy wooden tripods.still alive and squealing when they cut their throat. We later discovered that the Orthodox Serbs living in Bosnia used to do this to piss off the Bosnian Muslim who lived down the road. A bit like turning up to your local mosque and hanging a dead pig head on the fence.
The most harrowing thing I ever saw was in Bosnia. And I’ve seen some things in my time, but it Sticks with me even to this day. Driving along one day I saw a dog at the side of the road. It was alive, barely, grossly emaciated, and it was chowing down on the exposed inards of another dog, this one not so lucky of course. Thing is, I’ve asked myself if I should have stopped and done something, but at the time I remembered thinking, at least he is getting fed. The country was wash with abandoned stray dogs. I think I left some of my psyche back in that place. And don’t get me talking about Srebrenica, where I went too. Just awful .
People bleat about racism in this country, perceived and otherwise. They don’t know the half of it .

[selby]

 TFE, I never set out to be a problem for them either, after about seven years one of the iranians became one of my team leaders.

[SydneyRover]

''The ‘Some of My Best Friends Are Black’ Defense
It’s a myth that proximity to blackness immunizes white people from doing racist things''

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/16/sunday-review/ralph-northam-blackface-friends.html

[BillyStubbsTears]

NR.

You have my greatest respect for having dealt with that. An ex-colleague had been in Bosnia and he recounted similar horrors.

That was the enduring story of bestiality in Europe in the 20th century. So many ethnic and cultural groups and people with different outlooks living on ancient fault lines.

The things the Croat fascist militias did to Serb prisoners in WWII are as horrific as anyone could imagine. Decapitation with saws. Boiling alive. Mass clubbing to death.

In Spain in the civil war there were similar atrocities on both sides. And of course the Holocaust committed by one of the most civilised nations mankind had ever produced. And we weren't whiter than white, we just committed our war crimes from 20,000 feet over Dresden.

That is the context of what drove the idea of the EU. To bind people together and get them to see that their future was in trading with each other, not butchering each other. I'm still stunned how quickly we forget what happens in Europe when nations and people are set against each other.

[SydneyRover]

I’ve often said I’d like to go back some time.Sarajevo would probably be quite nice now, Mostar is stunning, prob even better now they have rebuilt the famous old bridge. Sarajevo has its own ski resort which I’ve always fancied. Cheap skiing, provided you can dodge the minefields . It’s a beautiful country but the people have real issues. Neighbours killing each other over which flag they hang outside their house.
On sundays we used to see people with pigs strung up in their front garden on diy wooden tripods.still alive and squealing when they cut their throat. We later discovered that the Orthodox Serbs living in Bosnia used to do this to piss off the Bosnian Muslim who lived down the road. A bit like turning up to your local mosque and hanging a dead pig head on the fence.
The most harrowing thing I ever saw was in Bosnia. And I’ve seen some things in my time, but it Sticks with me even to this day. Driving along one day I saw a dog at the side of the road. It was alive, barely, grossly emaciated, and it was chowing down on the exposed inards of another dog, this one not so lucky of course. Thing is, I’ve asked myself if I should have stopped and done something, but at the time I remembered thinking, at least he is getting fed. The country was wash with abandoned stray dogs. I think I left some of my psyche back in that place. And don’t get me talking about Srebrenica, where I went too. Just awful .
People bleat about racism in this country, perceived and otherwise. They don’t know the half of it .

You are correct of course about the racism and the atrocities but it doesn't excuse racism anywhere else.

[SydneyRover]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

So where do you stand in all this hound? genuine question, unless of course I missed your answer where you detailed your support for those at the receiving end of racism.

[drfchound]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

So where do you stand in all this hound? genuine question, unless of course I missed your answer where you detailed your support for those at the receiving end of racism.

I just knew you would ask me that question without bothering to answer mine.

[drfchound]

''The ‘Some of My Best Friends Are Black’ Defense
It’s a myth that proximity to blackness immunizes white people from doing racist things''

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/16/sunday-review/ralph-northam-blackface-friends.html

That link is hidden behind a paywall.
However I think the word “some” should be inserted between immunises and white in your post.

[SydneyRover]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

So where do you stand in all this hound? genuine question, unless of course I missed your answer where you detailed your support for those at the receiving end of racism.

I just knew you would ask me that question without bothering to answer mine.

I was looking for you had answered your own question hound.

[SydneyRover]

''The ‘Some of My Best Friends Are Black’ Defense
It’s a myth that proximity to blackness immunizes white people from doing racist things''

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/16/sunday-review/ralph-northam-blackface-friends.html

That link is hidden behind a paywall.
However I think the word “some” should be inserted between immunises and white in your post.

Then you should write to the Author and tell them.

[SydneyRover]

''The ‘Some of My Best Friends Are Black’ Defense
It’s a myth that proximity to blackness immunizes white people from doing racist things''

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/16/sunday-review/ralph-northam-blackface-friends.html

That link is hidden behind a paywall.
However I think the word “some” should be inserted between immunises and white in your post.

Then you should write to the Author and tell them.

Here's one that isn't paywalled

''"I'm not racist, I have black friends" (variant: "Some of my best friends are black"[1][2]) is a tu quoque fallacy which is often used by white people in an attempt to justify their claim that they are not racist towards black people (especially in contexts referring to African Americans). The phrase, which gained popularity in the mid-2010s, has since sparked many internet memes and debates over racial attitudes.[3][4][5] Its use in a discussion related to the election of Donald Trump as US president in 2016, on the US television show Black-ish,[6] led to widespread discussion in the media of the "old trope".[7]

A 2004 study in Basic and Applied Social Psychology listed the phrase as a "common [claim of] innocence by association".[8] A 2011 study published in the Journal of Black Studies suggested that African Americans were rarely impressed by whites claiming to have "Black friends", and that the claim was more likely to make African Americans think that the person making it was in fact more, not less, prejudiced.[9] The phrase is cited as an instance of "resistance to antiracist thinking",[10] and some suggestions for dismantling the logic of the phrase include "it is like saying there is no such thing as sexism because we all have a close friend or family member who is a woman".[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_not_racist,_I_have_black_friends

[selby]

  I can't help the way you act and behave Syd, in fact I rate some of your thoughts and writing as hate and racial against people like me. You take a dislike to people on assumptions of how you perceive people, and from your assumptions you state on here of people I know personally you are not that good at it.
  Most people I have met are the better for knowing, you just jump to conclusions if they express an opinion on a subject outside your narrow world, that I agree is an assumption on my part but what you portray to me.

[Herbert Anchovy]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s I would regularly attend anti racism demonstrations in London. These could be very hairy to say the least. The NF would often organise counter demonstrations on the same day & on the same route. Usually these were actually larger than our marches! Violence would often break out and, though I could look after myself,  they were scary times.

All this did was to strengthen my resolve that racism has no place in a progressive society. I thought then, and I think now, how crazy it is to judge someone by the colour of their skin?

[SydneyRover]

  I can't help the way you act and behave Syd, in fact I rate some of your thoughts and writing as hate and racial against people like me. You take a dislike to people on assumptions of how you perceive people, and from your assumptions you state on here of people I know personally you are not that good at it.
  Most people I have met are the better for knowing, you just jump to conclusions if they express an opinion on a subject outside your narrow world, that I agree is an assumption on my part but what you portray to me.

I don't hate you at all selby, I feel sorry for you on occasions though.

[sha66y]

Funny old thread this….
I’m white late 50s ex military, …… I mention that I was racially abused every day for 3 years and 4 months ….every single day!!
and nobody bats an eyelid?…funny old topic is racism and abuse!
So seems as we are only really bothered about blacks and monkey chants, let me put some meat on this particular bone…….

I had 4 Saudi ex military working under me at a military installation, and every day a copy of the Quran was placed in my rucksack, and every day I returned it with a small bow and no words…..I wasn’t the only white-eye that received this drip fed life threatening abuse….and that’s why I knew how to deal with it,( throw away or destroy a Quran is very punishable by death)…

I handed in my resignation and left half way through my Al Salam contract…..

I believe now have a greater understanding of what it feels like to go to work knowing one wrong word or action could potentially land me in a bad place…..

Carry on! …lol
 

[Axholme Lion]

Funny old thread this….
I’m white late 50s ex military, …… I mention that I was racially abused every day for 3 years and 4 months ….every single day!!
and nobody bats an eyelid?…funny old topic is racism and abuse!
So seems as we are only really bothered about blacks and monkey chants, let me put some meat on this particular bone…….

I had 4 Saudi ex military working under me at a military installation, and every day a copy of the Quran was placed in my rucksack, and every day I returned it with a small bow and no words…..I wasn’t the only white-eye that received this drip fed life threatening abuse….and that’s why I knew how to deal with it,( throw away or destroy a Quran is very punishable by death)…

I handed in my resignation and left half way through my Al Salam contract…..

I believe now have a greater understanding of what it feels like to go to work knowing one wrong word or action could potentially land me in a bad place…..

Carry on! …lol

The religion of peace and understanding.

[SydneyRover]

Funny old thread this….
I’m white late 50s ex military, …… I mention that I was racially abused every day for 3 years and 4 months ….every single day!!
and nobody bats an eyelid?…funny old topic is racism and abuse!
So seems as we are only really bothered about blacks and monkey chants, let me put some meat on this particular bone…….

I had 4 Saudi ex military working under me at a military installation, and every day a copy of the Quran was placed in my rucksack, and every day I returned it with a small bow and no words…..I wasn’t the only white-eye that received this drip fed life threatening abuse….and that’s why I knew how to deal with it,( throw away or destroy a Quran is very punishable by death)…

I handed in my resignation and left half way through my Al Salam contract…..

I believe now have a greater understanding of what it feels like to go to work knowing one wrong word or action could potentially land me in a bad place…..

Carry on! …lol

You should not have to have suffered this, I'll take a knee for you.

[belton rover]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s I would regularly attend anti racism demonstrations in London. These could be very hairy to say the least. The NF would often organise counter demonstrations on the same day & on the same route. Usually these were actually larger than our marches! Violence would often break out and, though I could look after myself,  they were scary times.

All this did was to strengthen my resolve that racism has no place in a progressive society. I thought then, and I think now, how crazy it is to judge someone by the colour of their skin?

Credit to you, Herbert, for actually doing something, albeit 40 years ago.

We could all actually do something couldn’t we? But it’s clear that the vast majority of us just wish racism wasn’t a thing, without doing anything meaningful to stop it being a thing.

It would be interesting to see everyone on this board answer Hound’s question, but I suspect a lot of the more opinionated supporters of taking a knee and who vilify those who don’t agree with some elements of BLM, won’t have much of an answer to give.

[Herbert Anchovy]

So, what has anyone on this forum actually done to help stamp out racism.
Genuine question chaps.

Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s I would regularly attend anti racism demonstrations in London. These could be very hairy to say the least. The NF would often organise counter demonstrations on the same day & on the same route. Usually these were actually larger than our marches! Violence would often break out and, though I could look after myself,  they were scary times.

All this did was to strengthen my resolve that racism has no place in a progressive society. I thought then, and I think now, how crazy it is to judge someone by the colour of their skin?

Credit to you, Herbert, for actually doing something, albeit 40 years ago.

We could all actually do something couldn’t we? But it’s clear that the vast majority of us just wish racism wasn’t a thing, without doing anything meaningful to stop it being a thing.

It would be interesting to see everyone on this board answer Hound’s question, but I suspect a lot of the more opinionated supporters of taking a knee and who vilify those who don’t agree with some elements of BLM, won’t have much of an answer to give.

Quite right Belton. What I would say is that the marches and protests that I was part of probably didn’t change the opinion of one single racist. I believe it all boils down to education. Nobody is born racist after all. Over the years I’ve spoken to people who were, and in occasional cases still are, racists. They have a warped view of life that no demonstration will change. In a nutshell, their lives a shit and they blame people with different colour skin who have absolutely no influence on their lives at all. Absolutely crazy, but all down to education.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Funny old thread this….
I’m white late 50s ex military, …… I mention that I was racially abused every day for 3 years and 4 months ….every single day!!
and nobody bats an eyelid?…funny old topic is racism and abuse!
So seems as we are only really bothered about blacks and monkey chants, let me put some meat on this particular bone…….

I had 4 Saudi ex military working under me at a military installation, and every day a copy of the Quran was placed in my rucksack, and every day I returned it with a small bow and no words…..I wasn’t the only white-eye that received this drip fed life threatening abuse….and that’s why I knew how to deal with it,( throw away or destroy a Quran is very punishable by death)…

I handed in my resignation and left half way through my Al Salam contract…..

I believe now have a greater understanding of what it feels like to go to work knowing one wrong word or action could potentially land me in a bad place…..

Carry on! …lol

I understand this. Over the years I’ve witnessed racism across the spectrum. It’s not just white on black. There are areas of London that I wouldn’t fancy going down, simply because I’m white.