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BillyStubbsTears

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Scale of the problem
« on October 19, 2021, 10:03:26 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
34 matches left. To hit 50 points, we need form something like:

W12 D7 L15.

It's not going to happen is it? Not on that second half capitulation? Out worked and out wanted by a very, very poor side.



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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #1 on October 19, 2021, 10:06:29 pm by Filo »
34 matches left. To hit 50 points, we need form something like:

W12 D7 L15.

It's not going to happen is it? Not on that second half capitulation? Out worked and out wanted by a very, very poor side.

It’s easy to out work us, we are incapable of stepping it up, I see no one in that team playing for the badge, I see no one geeing players up or getting angry when we concede, they are stealing a wage!

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #2 on October 19, 2021, 10:07:58 pm by GazLaz »
We weren’t terrible tonight until we got to the final third. Knoyle had the great chance early on, he should have scored.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #3 on October 19, 2021, 10:08:05 pm by DRNaith »
So if we're doomed, what should be reaction? It clearly doesn't need to be kneejerk

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #4 on October 19, 2021, 10:08:56 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
The most frustrating thing is that we played some half decent football in the first half. But we are so dreadfully lacking any punch at the end of it.

And I wrote the script at half time. Said to our kid that Evans would be tearing into them at that very moment, they'd come out with some fire in their bellies and we wouldn't be able to handle it. Exactly what happened. We are so, so short of anything resembling mesters in this side.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #5 on October 19, 2021, 10:10:20 pm by GazLaz »
People need to realise this is the start of a rebuild after a financially tough period.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #6 on October 19, 2021, 10:10:38 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
So if we're doomed, what should be reaction? It clearly doesn't need to be kneejerk

Don’t think you can stick with the person who has doomed us. No need to rush it but barring something miraculous it’s inevitable

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #7 on October 19, 2021, 10:10:43 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
We weren’t terrible tonight until we got to the final third. Knoyle had the great chance early on, he should have scored.

But you sum it up Gaz. We WERE terrible in the final third. We ARE terrible in the final third, week after week. And you can't keep expecting full backs to score. So it doesn't matter how nicely we play for 45 minutes in the centre of the park. You know what is coming.

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #8 on October 19, 2021, 10:11:33 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
People need to realise this is the start of a rebuild after a financially tough period.

Have they not had it tough in Accrington? Or Burton?

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #9 on October 19, 2021, 10:12:22 pm by acacia94 »
It would need a Sam Alladyce type of LG1 level manager to come in and try and keep us up now BST.
Not sure they exist at our level! The dynamics are all heading due south and theres no evidence there'll be a change of course.
You really appreciate the good times when its like this.

DRNaith

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #10 on October 19, 2021, 10:12:29 pm by DRNaith »
So if we're doomed, what should be reaction? It clearly doesn't need to be kneejerk

Don’t think you can stick with the person who has doomed us. No need to rush it but barring something miraculous it’s inevitable

Has the doom been brought by the manager, players, budget or non-standard hoops though?

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #11 on October 19, 2021, 10:12:40 pm by normal rules »
34 matches left. To hit 50 points, we need form something like:

W12 D7 L15.

It's not going to happen is it? Not on that second half capitulation? Out worked and out wanted by a very, very poor side.

It’s easy to out work us, we are incapable of stepping it up, I see no one in that team playing for the badge, I see no one geeing players up or getting angry when we concede, they are stealing a wage!

The team have a good mentor. Bogle is stealing a wage. That in itself undermines the whole squad ethos.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #12 on October 19, 2021, 10:13:29 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
People need to realise this is the start of a rebuild after a financially tough period.

But we should be doing better with the player we have (or budget we used) we are underperforming massively. Injuries are an excuse but still I can’t make an argument for been where we are.

Sure we’re a bottom half side but not rock bottom with much hope.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #13 on October 19, 2021, 10:13:39 pm by tommy toes »
When appointed Wellens said we'd play fast, attacking high press football.
What we've got is exactly the opposite.
The players he's signed are, for the most part nowhere near good enough for this league.
I just don't know where we go from here.

acacia94

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #14 on October 19, 2021, 10:18:55 pm by acacia94 »
I never quite get that argument that a managerial change would make no difference as its the same squad. Managers come in and massively change clubs fortunes. It happens at every level.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #15 on October 19, 2021, 10:19:43 pm by donnyallday »
When appointed Wellens said we'd play fast, attacking high press football.
What we've got is exactly the opposite.
The players he's signed are, for the most part nowhere near good enough for this league.
I just don't know where we go from here.
[/quote Rookie manager and low budget, lack of ambition from the board.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #16 on October 19, 2021, 10:20:22 pm by goalkick »
Cannot be ignored that DM also had a part in our present problem.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #17 on October 19, 2021, 10:20:33 pm by since-1969 »
When appointed Wellens said we'd play fast, attacking high press football.
What we've got is exactly the opposite.
The players he's signed are, for the most part nowhere near good enough for this league.
I just don't know where we go from here.
You said it .. but it could take another 4-5-7 defeats before the penny will drop that Wellens can’t manage or motivate players only talk about it !!

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #18 on October 19, 2021, 10:22:12 pm by SydneyRover »
The way the bottom of L1 are playing only 45 points may be needed, just sayin'

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #19 on October 19, 2021, 10:23:31 pm by since-1969 »
The way the bottom of L1 are playing only 45 points may be needed, just sayin'
Do you know how we’re going to get them ?

DRNaith

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #20 on October 19, 2021, 10:25:34 pm by DRNaith »
The way the bottom of L1 are playing only 45 points may be needed, just sayin'
Do you know how we’re going to get them ?

Winning and drawing games is probably in the plan, somewhere

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #21 on October 19, 2021, 10:30:24 pm by Chris Black come back »
We never, ever keep a clean sheet. This must be the worst defensive run we are on for decades. Even 97/98 had a better defensive record.

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #22 on October 19, 2021, 10:38:23 pm by Donnybax »
We weren’t terrible tonight until we got to the final third. Knoyle had the great chance early on, he should have scored.

But you sum it up Gaz. We WERE terrible in the final third. We ARE terrible in the final third, week after week. And you can't keep expecting full backs to score. So it doesn't matter how nicely we play for 45 minutes in the centre of the park. You know what is coming.
any team would look terrible in the final third with the “forward” players we have

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #23 on October 19, 2021, 10:40:04 pm by DonnyOsmond »
0.66 PPG over the last 35 games. 28 goals for, 65 against.

Pside

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #24 on October 19, 2021, 10:41:17 pm by Pside »
Cannot be ignored that DM also had a part in our present problem.
Why does everyone keep mentioning DM?? He’s been gone for nearly a year. I suggest we look closer to home

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #25 on October 19, 2021, 10:43:33 pm by Canadian Rover »
Cannot be ignored that DM also had a part in our present problem.

Cukur
Dodoo
Dahlberg
Knoyle
Barlow
Olowu
Rowe
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Williams
Galbraith
Hiwula
Smith
Dodoo

All Wellens signings - this is HIS team. Budget friendly or not...it's his team.

DonnyOsmond

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #26 on October 19, 2021, 10:44:01 pm by DonnyOsmond »
Cannot be ignored that DM also had a part in our present problem.
Why does everyone keep mentioning DM?? He’s been gone for nearly a year. I suggest we look closer to home

Tbf he made the January signings which not long after the rut set-in.

sha66y

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #27 on October 19, 2021, 10:46:47 pm by sha66y »
This is next years team…… get over it!

sha66y

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #28 on October 19, 2021, 10:48:55 pm by sha66y »
Cannot be ignored that DM also had a part in our present problem.

Cukur
Dodoo
Dahlberg
Knoyle
Barlow
Olowu
Rowe
Close
Williams
Galbraith
Hiwula
Smith
Dodoo

All Wellens signings - this is HIS team. Budget friendly or not...it's his team.

You just answered the statement you were trying to make!
A full squad that are learning each other’s names , without a preseason pretty much points to the obvious struggles

acacia94

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Re: Scale of the problem
« Reply #29 on October 19, 2021, 10:53:20 pm by acacia94 »
I know theres a long sequence of disruption with DF, GMcC and DM leaving and none of that should be underestimated. I'm just not seeing any tiny green shoots that would suggest RW can turn this around. He has been very good at articulating what we should be aiming for. Remember all the regaining our attacking, high press style – 'The Donny identity' – but he's not got the gravitas, know how, skills or weight to translate that into results with this squad. It looks dead in the water to me.

 

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