Yorkshire CCC

[Campsall rover]

What on earth has been going on at Yorks CCC with this racism.

Really poor state of affairs and how was the club able to have an internal inquiry but not an independent one. If the latter had happened then surely all this would have been dealt with when Asim Rafiq made the original allegations.
It is 2 years ago and should have been dealt with immediately but the club just brushed it under the table and have now created a desperate situation for themselves financially. Shot themselves in the foot they have.
Worse still is us, the supporters ( members ) are going to suffer also.
I have already bought tickets for the first 3 days of the Headingley Test match v New Zealand next June. The match is now it would seem be taken away from Headingley as they have been banned from hosting international Cricket.

I hope Garry Balance who has admitted using racist language in so called banter with Rafiq is not going to be used as the scapegoat. There has been obviously a lot more to this within the club.
It needs an independent inquiry and the people at the top of the club should be the ones who’s heads should role.  They are the ones that have tried to cover this up and sweep it under the carpet.

I await further developments and hope the damage can be repaired and a new all inclusive era can begin for the club.

Pity the Football authorities can’t take such decisive action as the ECB have with Yorkshire with regard to racism.
Hungary and most of the Eastern European countries just get a rap on the wrist from EUFA and the English Football fans are not exempt from racism either.

A very sad state of affairs that the Cricket Club i have supported so enthusiastically since 1963 is deemed institutionally racist.

[normal rules]

Sponsors pulling out left right and centre.
This is not good.

[DonnyNoel]

Despite numberous games in the Champions League and half a Championship schedule last night the first 10 minutes of SS News at Ten was all about this. Can't believe even going back 10 years people thought this was acceptable behaviour and could anyway be considered light hearted. Like you Campsall I think there's a lot to more to come.

[River Don]

Cricket is a religion in UK Asian communities.

If Yorkshire still enforced the must be born in Yorkshire rule, then they would still have a huge talent pool in Asian communities to draw from in Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Rotherham.

If there is one institution in Yorkshire that should be a bastion of equal opportunity then it is Yorkshire CCC.

[DonnyNoel]

Cricket is a religion in UK Asian communities.

If Yorkshire still enforced the must be born in Yorkshire rule, then they would still have a huge talent pool in Asian communities to draw from in Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Rotherham.

If there is one institution in Yorkshire that should be a bastion of equal opportunity then it is Yorkshire CCC.

Agreed, although I did see an (unverified) stat on Twitter today that 40% of amatuer players in the UK are Asian/of Asian descent but only 4% of professional players are.

[selby]

Don't assume it was all one way

[River Don]

Cricket is a religion in UK Asian communities.

If Yorkshire still enforced the must be born in Yorkshire rule, then they would still have a huge talent pool in Asian communities to draw from in Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Rotherham.

If there is one institution in Yorkshire that should be a bastion of equal opportunity then it is Yorkshire CCC.

Agreed, although I did see an (unverified) stat on Twitter today that 40% of amatuer players in the UK are Asian/of Asian descent but only 4% of professional players are.

A cultural thing. Sport still isn't seen as a serious career. They still want their kids to grow up to be something sensible and respected, most likely a doctor.

[Campsall rover]

Cricket is a religion in UK Asian communities.

If Yorkshire still enforced the must be born in Yorkshire rule, then they would still have a huge talent pool in Asian communities to draw from in Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Rotherham.

If there is one institution in Yorkshire that should be a bastion of equal opportunity then it is Yorkshire CCC.

Agreed, although I did see an (unverified) stat on Twitter today that 40% of amatuer players in the UK are Asian/of Asian descent but only 4% of professional players are.

A cultural thing. Sport still isn't seen as a serious career. They still want their kids to grow up to be something sensible and respected, most likely a doctor.

Maybe those that are in professions want their children to follow suit. Vast majority would see professional sport as a very worthwhile career imo.

[River Don]

Cricket is a religion in UK Asian communities.

If Yorkshire still enforced the must be born in Yorkshire rule, then they would still have a huge talent pool in Asian communities to draw from in Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Rotherham.

If there is one institution in Yorkshire that should be a bastion of equal opportunity then it is Yorkshire CCC.

Agreed, although I did see an (unverified) stat on Twitter today that 40% of amatuer players in the UK are Asian/of Asian descent but only 4% of professional players are.

A cultural thing. Sport still isn't seen as a serious career. They still want their kids to grow up to be something sensible and respected, most likely a doctor.

Maybe those that are in professions want their children to follow suit. Vast majority would see professional sport as a very worthwhile career imo.

It's a slow process. I know a Sri Lankan lady whose son plays for Notts. They are all so proud and they can see the money he's starting to earn. As they absorb the reality of such stories then opinions will change.

[Campsall rover]

Don't assume it was all one way

So what are you saying Brian? There are quite obviously some serious racist problems within the club.

The whole thing has been whitewashed by the hierarchy at the club.
They need to resign Brian and get some fresh blood running the club.

Personally I think Martin Moxon and Andrew Gale need replacing not because I think they are racist but purely based on Moxon has been at the club for a very long time and sometimes you can be in the same job too long. A new face at the helm would beneficial imo.  As for Gale i am not convinced he is a top coach and certainly no where near the standard Gillespie was as his predecessor.

Clean sweep needed at he club. Maybe the current situation will see this happen.

[NickDRFC]

Don't assume it was all one way

It’s attitudes like this that have made it into the problem it has become, extremely disappointed to see it on here. The defence that Ballance was called “Zimbo”is frankly laughable.

The club is institutionally racist and the entire board should resign. Sponsors pulling out and test matches being shelved is a desperate situation but no less than we deserve. It’s going to be a long, long road back from here to rebuild bridges with both the local and wider cricketing community.

[drfchound]

Chairman Roger Hutton resigns.
There will be fireworks tonight.

[SydneyRover]

Chairman Roger Hutton resigns.
There will be fireworks tonight.

it's extremely sad and frustrating that it has come to this, that a grown bunch of (I presume) men cannot grasp the nettle and sort it out and chuck those out that will not change or with little chance of rehabilitating themselves and do not understand the harm that they do by inaction, mates or not.

There are no excuses.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/05/yorkshire-ccc-chairman-resigns-as-azeem-rafiq-racism-case-fallout-deepens-cricket

[glosterred]

My money is this is not the only county that will be dragged over the coals in the days, weeks, months to come. Yorkshire may be first but I seriously doubt it will be the last.

[Axholme Lion]

Chairman Roger Hutton resigns.
There will be fireworks tonight.

Boom! That's a cracker!

[DRCraig]

Might be 2 sides. But the Club are not helping themselves at all.

[Campsall rover]

Some of the problem is racist language gets used but often the people using it are not racists.
What was deemed acceptable 10/15 years ago and was considered banter is now not acceptable language.

This is often a generation thing also and I am sure I have used words about Asian people that are not now acceptable and are deemed racist.
But i am in no way a racist and always treat people as i find them no matter what their race, colour or religion.
I just think it’s lack of education or knowledge in knowing the difference in having banter and unacceptable words or language.

Having said all that I am not condoning anything that has gone on at Headingley and obviously it needs sorting once and for all.
As someone else said I am sure Yorks CCC are not completely on there own with this problem.
Let’s face it it is endemic throughout society including possibly all sports.

[Filo]

Go on youtube and watch episodes of Love thy Neighbour, will all those actors if they ate still alive be villified for historical racism, we’ve moved, what was acceptable then is not today

[tyke1962]

Well Asim grew up in my town when he came here from Pakistan in the very early 2000's .

Attended Holgate school and played as a youngster for Barnsley at Shaw Lane .

I've never met the lad but I'm reliably informed by a couple of lads I know who watch Barnsley in the summer that our Asim ain't exactly a great kid , to say the least .

It doesn't alter the fact Yorkshire are bang to rights and have conducted themselves extremely poorly by the way .

I'll leave it at that .

[SydneyRover]

I think it was Ian Chapple, when he took up punditry and dropped the f-bomb a couple of times said, I tried to stop doing it but it just slips out, so I stopped swearing, period'

[Not Now Kato]

Go on youtube and watch episodes of Love thy Neighbour, will all those actors if they ate still alive be villified for historical racism, we’ve moved, what was acceptable then is not today

Love Thy Neighbour was a parody aimed at showing up white racial prejudice. It's a pity we haven't learned much from it.

[tyke1962]

Go on youtube and watch episodes of Love thy Neighbour, will all those actors if they ate still alive be villified for historical racism, we’ve moved, what was acceptable then is not today

Love Thy Neighbour was a parody aimed at showing up white racial prejudice. It's a pity we haven't learned much from it.

So the UK is still set in the 1970's then ?

Jack Smethhurst , Bernard Manning would still be top of the bill then ?

Your the reason Labour don't get elected .

Clown !!.

[Not Now Kato]

Go on youtube and watch episodes of Love thy Neighbour, will all those actors if they ate still alive be villified for historical racism, we’ve moved, what was acceptable then is not today

Love Thy Neighbour was a parody aimed at showing up white racial prejudice. It's a pity we haven't learned much from it.

So the UK is still set in the 1970's then ?

Jack Smethhurst , Bernard Manning would still be top of the bill then ?

Your the reason Labour don't get elected .

Clown !!.

Only one clown here if you can't see that racism hasn't gone away. In fact, it was openly used as a tool in persuading people to vote to leave the EU!

[phil old leake]

Tyke1962.  If you remember Love thy neighbour Rudolph Walker who played Jack Smethurst’s neighbour was also quite verbal and called his neighbour names

People always forget that

That is in no way excusing what has happened.  I’m just making a point about being rounded

[i_ateallthepies]

The problem in this saga is less about the individual and the language used, unacceptable though it is.  It's about the unbelievable handling of the inquiry by YCC, club management who really ought to know how toxic and wrong that kind of language now is.

IMO, not only have they done major harm to YCC but have reinforced from within the stereotype that northerners are course and stupid.

[SydneyRover]

Barney Ronay wrote it up and is not impressed by the way it was handled.

''When it comes to racism in cricket, the ECB is the accused not the judge''

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/nov/05/racism-cricket-ecb-azeem-rafiq-yorkshire-cricket

[tyke1962]

Go on youtube and watch episodes of Love thy Neighbour, will all those actors if they ate still alive be villified for historical racism, we’ve moved, what was acceptable then is not today

Love Thy Neighbour was a parody aimed at showing up white racial prejudice. It's a pity we haven't learned much from it.

So the UK is still set in the 1970's then ?

Jack Smethhurst , Bernard Manning would still be top of the bill then ?

Your the reason Labour don't get elected .

Clown !!.

Only one clown here if you can't see that racism hasn't gone away. In fact, it was openly used as a tool in persuading people to vote to leave the EU!

There's nobody in the UK who shows more prejudicial traits than your average Joe EU referendum loser .

The amount of bile composed on this forum by yourself on the subject is something that should shame you .

The racist card .

The thicko card .

All spewed out of your gob because you lost a referendum .

Your as prejudice as any far right fanatic .

Your just too far up your own so called liberal ass to realise it .

Oh , your welcome .

[Ldr]

Tyke you are absolutely right, don’t forget the inference that they were all too weak minded to make up their own minds too and only voted for it because of media and facebook

[SydneyRover]

Whoa, did you see what they did just then?

[Not Now Kato]

Go on youtube and watch episodes of Love thy Neighbour, will all those actors if they ate still alive be villified for historical racism, we’ve moved, what was acceptable then is not today

Love Thy Neighbour was a parody aimed at showing up white racial prejudice. It's a pity we haven't learned much from it.

So the UK is still set in the 1970's then ?

Jack Smethhurst , Bernard Manning would still be top of the bill then ?

Your the reason Labour don't get elected .

Clown !!.

Only one clown here if you can't see that racism hasn't gone away. In fact, it was openly used as a tool in persuading people to vote to leave the EU!

There's nobody in the UK who shows more prejudicial traits than your average Joe EU referendum loser .

The amount of bile composed on this forum by yourself on the subject is something that should shame you .

The racist card .

The thicko card .

All spewed out of your gob because you lost a referendum .

Your as prejudice as any far right fanatic .

Your just too far up your own so called liberal ass to realise it .

Oh , your welcome .

Only one thicko here pal, and that's you....
 

 
 

 
Racist is as racist does!