Adverts on telly, what’s happening?

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Nearly every advert on TV has a mixed race family in it, surely to god that doesn’t represent anything reasonably normal other than patronising the coloured folks!

Shaggy, you were onto something with your original point. But that c word is classed as a racial slur in many parts of the world. Including the uk. Worthy of modification imho, and lesson learnt.

NR , that C word is the only word available when the range is so vast within that particular spectrum, we break down the other colours like sky blue to midnight blue!

Yet fear to do this with brown people ….so we call them “ BLACK.” …. Can you not see how bad that is?
They are not black, they are beautiful swaths of brown!

The term you seek is BAME.

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There are some that live in my local area that still use the word “darkies”.

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FOBABAR.

I think the whole thing is summed up by this.
Fear of being accused of being a racist. The likes of the bbc are shit scared of mis or under representing anyone these days .

[phil old leake]

The MOBO awards were initiated and aimed at specific gendre of music urban hip hop R and B reggae which I would suggest is a niche market in most cases and so wouldn’t get picked up for mainstream awards
The really great artists always get acknowledged

They are in reality no different to any other specific gendre awards like country music awards or folk awards


I don’t understand why you are suggesting that black artists don’t get recognised
Black artists who haven’t been recognised
M Jackson
Jackson 5
S Wonder
Drifters
Four tops
Stylistics
Temptations
D Ross
Supremes
M Reeve
M Gaye
Sade
R Crawford
Stormzy
Nina Simone
Gregory Porter
Mary J Blige
M Carey
A Franklyn
T Chapman
Nat king Cole
Beyonce
Rihanna
G Gaynor
Luther Vandross
Al Green
Gladys Knight
Prince
Barry White
J legend
P Williams
A Keyes
B Ocean
J Armatrading
W Houston
T Turner
B Holiday
J Hudson
The list goes on and on
All the magnificent blues guitarists
To suggest only non black artists get recognised is a nonsense



All the Motown artists

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Bob Marley

[River Don]

FOBABAR.

I think the whole thing is summed up by this.
Fear of being accused of being a racist. The likes of the bbc are shit scared of mis or under representing anyone these days .

To a degree perhaps.

Eastenders for instance, is still out of date and unrepresentative of the communities found in East London today.

[Axholme Lion]

FOBABAR.

I think the whole thing is summed up by this.
Fear of being accused of being a racist. The likes of the bbc are shit scared of mis or under representing anyone these days .

To a degree perhaps.

Eastenders for instance, is still out of date and unrepresentative of the communities found in East London today.

If Eastenders was truly representative of East London no-one would speak English! It would need subtitles.

[phil old leake]

I would like to think that eastenders doesn’t represent true life in London otherwise the divorce courts would be inundated.  The police domestic abuse officers would be permanently based there. Everyone would have a criminal record
It’s like going back 500 years to some seedy country village where they’re all related

No one’s got a tv and everyone’s always in the pub

Thank god London isn’t like that

[sha66y]

And you would have described the family who moved in next door to you as ‘coloured’ if they had the same skin tone as you?

And when you said ‘I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk”, who are ‘them’?

You wouldn't describe anyone as being coloured. It's meaningless.

Describing someone as coloured then is shorthand for dark coloured, which is getting towards terms like 'darky' and so is discriminatory.

Now ya just being silly and trying to avoid the finger point!
If I said to anyone I know or have ever known , “ a coloured family has just moved in down the street” ….nobody would be confused …. ………or offended!

[sha66y]

And you would have described the family who moved in next door to you as ‘coloured’ if they had the same skin tone as you?

And when you said ‘I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk”, who are ‘them’?

How PC could you possibly get…..?
A new family moved in next door = beige
A coloured family moved in next door = variations of glorious brown, perhaps a hint of coffee…

[sha66y]

"coloured can refer to white people actually" is one of the most insane things I've ever read. My patience for this kind of disingenuous shit wore out 10 years ago, god bless anyone trying to engage this nonsense in good faith.

If we're all one big happy family and everyone is "coloured" there's really no point in crying about how many "coloured" people you see in adverts is there?

Your ignorance of the subject matter is revelationary ….

I said the portrayal of mixed race families in nearly every advert is sending an incorrect message………not that there are too many coloured folk in adverts…

[sha66y]

It's about intent.

You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.

Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.

Wrong!…wrong…
NOT TOO MANY OF THEM ON TELLY,!!
If every advert depicted a coloured family in whatever environment the advertisers found best to sell their product…I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, however the majority of adverts are now showing mixed race families……and they are not in the majority in any part of the world …….

[MachoMadness]

"coloured can refer to white people actually" is one of the most insane things I've ever read. My patience for this kind of disingenuous shit wore out 10 years ago, god bless anyone trying to engage this nonsense in good faith.

If we're all one big happy family and everyone is "coloured" there's really no point in crying about how many "coloured" people you see in adverts is there?

Your ignorance of the subject matter is revelationary ….

I said the portrayal of mixed race families in nearly every advert is sending an incorrect message………not that there are too many coloured folk in adverts…

What message would that be then? Buy our shit? It's an advert, designed to appeal to as many demographics as possible in a short time - ad space is expensive. That includes mixed race families. Our money spends the same way an all-white family's does, sorry that upsets you so much.

Your complaint is that there are too many mixed race families. Therefore if the families shown were all white you'd have no problem. Therefore you are upset about the number of non-white people on TV! At least have the balls to own it instead of making this meaningless distinction. Unless you're arguing if all adverts showed all black people you wouldn't care, which is obvious b*llocks.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's about intent.

You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.

Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.

Wrong!…wrong…
NOT TOO MANY OF THEM ON TELLY,!!
If every advert depicted a coloured family in whatever environment the advertisers found best to sell their product…I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, however the majority of adverts are now showing mixed race families……and they are not in the majority in any part of the world …….

Then blame the advertising agencies. They decide what goes into their adverts, not the broadcasting stations.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Yeah like they aren't trying to push an agenda much are they?! Tesco and the Santa Covid pass for example. Completely unacceptable.

[Axholme Lion]

Yeah like they aren't trying to push an agenda much are they?! Tesco and the Santa Covid pass for example. Completely unacceptable.

Of course they are pushing an agenda. The amount of these families shown on TV in no way reflects the majority of Britain. Most families are not mixed race. They are generally one thing or the other. It's all about brain washing the younger generations, as if they don't get enough of that poison at school.

[sha66y]

It's about intent.

You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.

Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.

Wrong!…wrong…
NOT TOO MANY OF THEM ON TELLY,!!
If every advert depicted a coloured family in whatever environment the advertisers found best to sell their product…I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, however the majority of adverts are now showing mixed race families……and they are not in the majority in any part of the world …….

Then blame the advertising agencies. They decide what goes into their adverts, not the broadcasting stations.

I’m sure the broadcasters would decide if the advert was acceptable…

[sha66y]

"coloured can refer to white people actually" is one of the most insane things I've ever read. My patience for this kind of disingenuous shit wore out 10 years ago, god bless anyone trying to engage this nonsense in good faith.

If we're all one big happy family and everyone is "coloured" there's really no point in crying about how many "coloured" people you see in adverts is there?

Your ignorance of the subject matter is revelationary ….

I said the portrayal of mixed race families in nearly every advert is sending an incorrect message………not that there are too many coloured folk in adverts…

What message would that be then? Buy our shit? It's an advert, designed to appeal to as many demographics as possible in a short time - ad space is expensive. That includes mixed race families. Our money spends the same way an all-white family's does, sorry that upsets you so much.

Your complaint is that there are too many mixed race families. Therefore if the families shown were all white you'd have no problem. Therefore you are upset about the number of non-white people on TV! At least have the balls to own it instead of making this meaningless distinction. Unless you're arguing if all adverts showed all black people you wouldn't care, which is obvious b*llocks.

Your extremes are very extreme!
White family advertising holidays for TUI , no probs!
Coloured family sat down at table enjoying Sunday lunch advertising Bisto, no probs!

Mixed race family advertising everything….. problem!
Transgender couple with lesbian daughter and Asian son watching old reruns of “ Love thy neighbour” ………big problem methinks

[Axholme Lion]

I would like to think that eastenders doesn’t represent true life in London otherwise the divorce courts would be inundated.  The police domestic abuse officers would be permanently based there. Everyone would have a criminal record
It’s like going back 500 years to some seedy country village where they’re all related

No one’s got a tv and everyone’s always in the pub

Thank god London isn’t like that

It's worse.

[Sammy Chung was King]

There is room for everyone in this world, nobody needs to be prioritised we are all equal. You can’t change how people think, you can get only live your life by the values you believe in.

[belton rover]

Sha66y. Could you at least consider using the term ‘people of colour’ rather than ‘coloured people’?

Such a small ask, but so much more respectful.

[Janso]

There are some that live in my local area that still use the word “darkies”.

I work with a bloke that until last year genuinely didn't realise it wasn't okay to use the word coon anymore.

[Muttley]

"coloured" 

Says it all,really.

And the word you would use is………..?

I don't segregate them by the colour of their skin...I just call them "people".

[sha66y]

Sha66y. Could you at least consider using the term ‘people of colour’ rather than ‘coloured people’?

Such a small ask, but so much more respectful.

Narrrrr!
I conform only when it makes sense, in this case it’s just juggling words, and when a person of colour says to my face “ please don’t call me a coloured person because I am a person of colour” ….then I might just sit down with him/her and have a discussion about it…..

But until that happens, and London/ Government stops dictating and controlling what is and isn’t in their opinion appropriate, the powers that be can kiss my honky white ass….

Or am I not allowed to call myself a honky because it might offend someone somewhere!

[sha66y]

"coloured" 

Says it all,really.

And the word you would use is………..?

I don't segregate them by the colour of their skin...I just call them "people".

If I read this out of context it appears that you are referring to “ THEM”  as people as if that needed clarification!……
Context is the bane of written opinions on forums like these….but I know what you mean…..and your opinion is respected!

[scawsby steve]

I would like to think that eastenders doesn’t represent true life in London otherwise the divorce courts would be inundated.  The police domestic abuse officers would be permanently based there. Everyone would have a criminal record
It’s like going back 500 years to some seedy country village where they’re all related

No one’s got a tv and everyone’s always in the pub

Thank god London isn’t like that

Dead right Phil, and no-one's got a washing machine either.

[SydneyRover]

It's about intent.

You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.

Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.

Wrong!…wrong…
NOT TOO MANY OF THEM ON TELLY,!!
If every advert depicted a coloured family in whatever environment the advertisers found best to sell their product…I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, however the majority of adverts are now showing mixed race families……and they are not in the majority in any part of the world …….

Then blame the advertising agencies. They decide what goes into their adverts, not the broadcasting stations.

I’m sure the broadcasters would decide if the advert was acceptable…

''The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) is the UK’s independent regulator of advertising across all media. We apply the Advertising Codes, which are written by the Committees of Advertising Practice''

https://www.asa.org.uk/

[Filo]

I would like to think that eastenders doesn’t represent true life in London otherwise the divorce courts would be inundated.  The police domestic abuse officers would be permanently based there. Everyone would have a criminal record
It’s like going back 500 years to some seedy country village where they’re all related

No one’s got a tv and everyone’s always in the pub

Thank god London isn’t like that

Albert Square is the last place you would want to be on Christmas Day, theres always a murder that day

[BillyStubbsTears]

Have you ever been to Midsomer? I'm astonished there's never been a Royal Inquiry into the murder rate there.

[KeithMyath]

Oddly the 2 main references for a persons skin colour is white or black, and neither of them is an actual colour. No person is entirely white and the same for black, So on that basis I am assuming, the terms of white/black are referencing the colour of skin more closely associated to, but not specifically. Having a colour grading system of every hue would be ridiculous.

In my eyes the only time you need to mention someone’s skin colour is if you have been asked to describe another persons physical characteristics, which would be a pretty rare occasion. Using it as a point of reference in this day and age is outdated at best.

If for example someone at work comes to you and says, 'I've been told to ask for Bill', you then point to a group of three men stood talking together and say 'He's the black fellow over there', what's wrong with that? It's like saying ask the bloke with ginger hair. I don't see the problem, it's not abusive or anything.

There wouldn’t be a problem with that as you’re  describing his physical appearance as stated in my original message.

However personally If Bill was stood on the left, I’d say he was the guy on the left, if he was in the middle I’d say he was the guy in the middle, if he was on the right… well, I think you get the picture.