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I would keep him and have him nearly every squad we put out this season, it’s all about opinions and that is mine
Quote from: dickos1 on November 24, 2021, 04:26:35 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2021, 11:21:06 amQuote from: dickos1 on November 24, 2021, 08:48:36 amQuote from: sedwardsdrfc on November 24, 2021, 07:23:04 amWhen have we ever signed a loan player for them not to play? Other than Moore who signed too many to get in the squad. Watford won’t send him unless he’s playing and if he’s not we’ll be paying so much in extra loan fees that we could afford a decent striker of our own! In Jan we have to send him back. Use whatever money he is costing us to sign someone better, we need better if we are to stay up. We’ve never been left with half a squad but no funds to fill it. Our only option to fill it was free loans and players without a job No funds? You reckon Rowe, Knoyle, Hiwula, Close etc are playing for fun?We were left with 7 players after Moore got rid of them and replaced them with loan players. With what he blew on Bogle, Williams, bostock there wasn’t enough left to fill the squad with quality league one players. We managed the 4 you mentioned, but other than that we had to fill a squad with no moneyAgh been through this before i'm sure. We only had 7 players meaning we had more available budget for Wellens to spend. In theory as a new manager if your decent it's a better position to be in that inheriting a squad of 23 on 2-3 year deals from a previous regime. You can make it your own. Of course the budget could be shite this year but i don't think it'll be in the bottom 5-6 of budgets and the noises coming from the club were along those lines i.e. not a play off budget but a consolidation season. Have we seen enough on the pitch with the limited quality available to suggest Wellens is the right man for us long term. Right now thats a resounding no. Bolton game before their goal showed a glimpse which is about the only one there's been all season. Hopefully that's the start of better performances even if results are too much to expect right now with our squad as it is.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2021, 11:21:06 amQuote from: dickos1 on November 24, 2021, 08:48:36 amQuote from: sedwardsdrfc on November 24, 2021, 07:23:04 amWhen have we ever signed a loan player for them not to play? Other than Moore who signed too many to get in the squad. Watford won’t send him unless he’s playing and if he’s not we’ll be paying so much in extra loan fees that we could afford a decent striker of our own! In Jan we have to send him back. Use whatever money he is costing us to sign someone better, we need better if we are to stay up. We’ve never been left with half a squad but no funds to fill it. Our only option to fill it was free loans and players without a job No funds? You reckon Rowe, Knoyle, Hiwula, Close etc are playing for fun?We were left with 7 players after Moore got rid of them and replaced them with loan players. With what he blew on Bogle, Williams, bostock there wasn’t enough left to fill the squad with quality league one players. We managed the 4 you mentioned, but other than that we had to fill a squad with no money
Quote from: dickos1 on November 24, 2021, 08:48:36 amQuote from: sedwardsdrfc on November 24, 2021, 07:23:04 amWhen have we ever signed a loan player for them not to play? Other than Moore who signed too many to get in the squad. Watford won’t send him unless he’s playing and if he’s not we’ll be paying so much in extra loan fees that we could afford a decent striker of our own! In Jan we have to send him back. Use whatever money he is costing us to sign someone better, we need better if we are to stay up. We’ve never been left with half a squad but no funds to fill it. Our only option to fill it was free loans and players without a job No funds? You reckon Rowe, Knoyle, Hiwula, Close etc are playing for fun?
Quote from: sedwardsdrfc on November 24, 2021, 07:23:04 amWhen have we ever signed a loan player for them not to play? Other than Moore who signed too many to get in the squad. Watford won’t send him unless he’s playing and if he’s not we’ll be paying so much in extra loan fees that we could afford a decent striker of our own! In Jan we have to send him back. Use whatever money he is costing us to sign someone better, we need better if we are to stay up. We’ve never been left with half a squad but no funds to fill it. Our only option to fill it was free loans and players without a job
When have we ever signed a loan player for them not to play? Other than Moore who signed too many to get in the squad. Watford won’t send him unless he’s playing and if he’s not we’ll be paying so much in extra loan fees that we could afford a decent striker of our own! In Jan we have to send him back. Use whatever money he is costing us to sign someone better, we need better if we are to stay up.
Quote from: sedwardsdrfc on November 24, 2021, 07:20:50 pmQuote from: dickos1 on November 24, 2021, 04:26:35 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2021, 11:21:06 amQuote from: dickos1 on November 24, 2021, 08:48:36 amQuote from: sedwardsdrfc on November 24, 2021, 07:23:04 amWhen have we ever signed a loan player for them not to play? Other than Moore who signed too many to get in the squad. Watford won’t send him unless he’s playing and if he’s not we’ll be paying so much in extra loan fees that we could afford a decent striker of our own! In Jan we have to send him back. Use whatever money he is costing us to sign someone better, we need better if we are to stay up. We’ve never been left with half a squad but no funds to fill it. Our only option to fill it was free loans and players without a job No funds? You reckon Rowe, Knoyle, Hiwula, Close etc are playing for fun?We were left with 7 players after Moore got rid of them and replaced them with loan players. With what he blew on Bogle, Williams, bostock there wasn’t enough left to fill the squad with quality league one players. We managed the 4 you mentioned, but other than that we had to fill a squad with no moneyAgh been through this before i'm sure. We only had 7 players meaning we had more available budget for Wellens to spend. In theory as a new manager if your decent it's a better position to be in that inheriting a squad of 23 on 2-3 year deals from a previous regime. You can make it your own. Of course the budget could be shite this year but i don't think it'll be in the bottom 5-6 of budgets and the noises coming from the club were along those lines i.e. not a play off budget but a consolidation season. Have we seen enough on the pitch with the limited quality available to suggest Wellens is the right man for us long term. Right now thats a resounding no. Bolton game before their goal showed a glimpse which is about the only one there's been all season. Hopefully that's the start of better performances even if results are too much to expect right now with our squad as it is. We have and I still don’t understand your point I’m afraid. If you have a playing budget of 3 million and 2.2 million of that is already taken up by 7 players you are left with 800k to fill up the rest of your squad. Once this has been spent you have to look for signings that are very cheap or free to make the numbers up.
Quite right dickos1, nobody has every said we have a top anything budget! I really don't know why folk make these things up. Back to Cukur, this young lad was brought in upon recommendation from Watford very likely as a result of the preseason friendly with them. He wasn't brought in as a starting no 9, but someone who needed the experience of men's football. No reason to believe he wouldn't have the same potential as any other previous loans. Unfortunately, whilst he maybe a game lad, he lacks the off the mark pace and speed of thought that strikers need. If he hasn't got that now, he's never going to find it and I fear he will struggle to find a club a a decent level that can accommodate him in any position. I agree with those who also think we should be looking to say to Watford, thanks but no thanks come January...unless of course, he isn't costing us a penny, but even then, I can't see him being able to make a contribution over and above our own youth players.
It’s not Cukur’s fault he isn’t good enough (yet).For all the criticism I have seen of him, Iv never agreed with those saying he doesn’t put any effort it. I just don’t think he’s ready yet.I would send him back in January and best case get some experience in to replace him. Worst case, take a chance on someone else and hope they offer us more.
He is a target man type of player, but has to realise our crowd will forgive many things ,but not giving everything isn’t one of them .
I certainly don't remember him saying that but I will stand corrected if he did.
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on November 26, 2021, 03:01:59 pmI certainly don't remember him saying that but I will stand corrected if he did.SM quoted him as saying it in a meeting with him.