Joey Barton Trial

[Bentley Bullet]

The verdict doesn’t surprise me I can’t think of a more upstanding pillar of society than Mr B

PILLAR? Eeh, predictive text!

[phil old leake]

As I predicted.

People twisting their facts to meet the agenda they want

Agreed JB has done things in the past that he should not be proud of

No one is disputing that.

That does not change the facts of this case. He was found not guilty. So he didn’t do it

Now get over yourselves. NOT GUILTY

[German Rover]

As I predicted.

People twisting their facts to meet the agenda they want

Agreed JB has done things in the past that he should not be proud of

No one is disputing that.

That does not change the facts of this case. He was found not guilty. So he didn’t do it

Now get over yourselves. NOT GUILTY

Sorry to be a Pedant but not guilty doesn't mean he didn't do it, it means it wasn't proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

[NickDRFC]

Still guilty of being a massive bell-end, though.

[normal rules]

In his evidence, Mr Barton denied being hostile or aggressive towards his opposite number and stated he did not recall coming into contact with anyone in the tunnel.
He admitted using "industrial language" during a post-match handshake with Mr Stendel, but denied there were tensions between them during the match.
Nathan Kirby, Barnsley performance analyst intern, had given evidence that he saw Mr Barton run past him and "shoulder-barge" Mr Stendel.
However, Mr Barton's barrister Simon Csoka QC said in his closing speech that even if it had been an accident it was quite possible for Mr Barton to have been unaware of what happened.

So, based on the evidence of a witness, it is likely there was physical contact between the two, but insufficient evidence that a deliberate assault took place. Intent is always difficult to prove in cases like this.

[phil old leake]

Ok German.  So what you’re saying is that everyone that goes to court is guilty whether the court say so or not

There are no innocent people who go to court. They are just not found guilty

Im so grateful you enlightened me

[German Rover]

Ok German.  So what you’re saying is that everyone that goes to court is guilty whether the court say so or not

There are no innocent people who go to court. They are just not found guilty

Im so grateful you enlightened me

not even close to saying that but there is no verdict of Innocent in English law, there is guilty and not guilty, guilty means the prosecution has proved beyond reasonable doubt, not guilty means they haven't.

Therefore he may have done it but the prosecutors haven't proved he did it beyond reasonable doubt.

[scawsby steve]

I said a long time ago on here that the alleged headbutt suddenly changing to a push would make all the difference. Now that's become even more mitigated in the form of an accident.

Whoever in the media made up the headbutt b*ll*cks obviously had an agenda based on Barton's past.

[drfchound]

That just goes to show that people shouldn’t believe all that they read SS.

[Grumps]

As I predicted.

People twisting their facts to meet the agenda they want

Agreed JB has done things in the past that he should not be proud of

No one is disputing that.

That does not change the facts of this case. He was found not guilty. So he didn’t do it

Now get over yourselves. NOT GUILTY

Sorry to be a Pedant but not guilty doesn't mean he didn't do it, it means it wasn't proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

That's correct GR but continuing to insinuate guilt after a party has been through due judicial process, and found not guilty, can land someone in hot water from a civil case of libel or slander. 

Ps, I'm not saying you're doing that in your post. 

[phil old leake]

not guilty
the verdict of a court that a person is not, in law or in fact, responsible for the crime charged against him

The definition from the legal dictionary

No twist to meet my point of view. A straight up definition

Apparently JB is innocent

[tyke1962]

A deeply disappointing verdict .

Daniel having to see a dentist almost immediately following the incident remains unexplained .

The tensions between Barton and Stendel which began in October when we visited Fleetwood not a factor .

Tensions that resurfaced when we gave Barton's Fleetwood team of thugs a footballing lesson in the April .

The Red card for the Fleetwood defender in the second half with tensions in the technical area's boiling over

Again not a factor .

Barton attempts to high tail it out of an Oakwell car park immediately in his chairman's car and is stopped by a police officer and a steward .

Barton's previous , not a factor .

I get it , case not proved beyond doubt , I get it .

But please don't insult my intelligence and tell me he didn't assault Daniel Stendel .

[tyke1962]

I was at both those games just to add and it was clearly evident Stendel wasn't exactly Barton's cup of char .

First of all we beat his Fleetwood outfit pretty convincingly over both games .

Now I'll be the first to admit Daniel could go over the top a little in the technical area .

He was highly enthusiastic , kicked every ball and celebrating us scoring as good as us in the stands .

Sometimes he encroached in to the opposition technical area , it wasn't malice just enthusiasm .

That's why we all loved him at Barnsley .

The likes of Barton can't take that kind of thing .

I'll leave it at that , it's not exactly difficult to see how this ended up in court .

[Wiltshire Exile]

It’s a good job the courts don’t rely on people from this forum as there are many on here that were pronouncing him guilty long before his trial.


COYR

Very true, glosterred.

[Wiltshire Exile]

not guilty
the verdict of a court that a person is not, in law or in fact, responsible for the crime charged against him

The definition from the legal dictionary

No twist to meet my point of view. A straight up definition

Apparently JB is innocent

Scotland are one of a very few number of countries in the world that currently have three verdicts:

Guilty, not guilty and not proven. The latter verdict is now under review:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56630482

[phil old leake]

He wasn’t tried in Scotland. What’s the relevance

[Wiltshire Exile]

He wasn’t tried in Scotland. What’s the relevance

I know that he wasn’t tried in Scotland, Phil! I was just trying to point out that if we had a “not proven” verdict in this country then it could have caused even more controversy on this forum!

Just saying, Phil!   

[Donnywolf]

I went back to the day the deed was "done". I had forgotten the Barnsley players tweet but several people DID SEE exactly what happened that day

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269913.msg854111#msg854111