Gavin Baldwin on Radio Sheffield

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

However SM, isn't there an issue there in that arguably there should be someone alongside Gavin doing the same things on a football point of view?  We appear to me to be moving through managers with different contacts, aims, ambitions and styles, it doesn't allow a consistent and longer term build.  Would we not perhaps benefit from that constant presence?

It is almost like we stop and start the whole thing again with each change of manager.  Players, coaches the lot.

In reality there isn't an easy answer but it feels like we could do things different to solve it?

[bpoolrover]

Potentially Knoyle as a big signing. Was League Two team of the year and had some Championship interest.

I think once we have a decent right midfielder or Taylor back fit we will see the best of knoyle then

[DonnyBazR0ver]

However SM, isn't there an issue there in that arguably there should be someone alongside Gavin doing the same things on a football point of view?  We appear to me to be moving through managers with different contacts, aims, ambitions and styles, it doesn't allow a consistent and longer term build.  Would we not perhaps benefit from that constant presence?

It is almost like we stop and start the whole thing again with each change of manager.  Players, coaches the lot.

In reality there isn't an easy answer but it feels like we could do things different to solve it?

It certainly seems that way. I think the club also had the view that the manager  should be given the power to oversee the football side and welcome  their input into the structure from top to bottom in the hope they would see it as a longer term project and therefore be more likely to stay.

Of course, reality shows that has not happened since Fergie left.

More recently, we've had the talent ID men or whatever you want to call them but they keep buggering off too.

I don't think there's a simple solution to the kind of DoF you'd want that would be here for the long term having responsibility for overseeing the set up from Youth through to the senior team, search for new talent, oversee the scouting network, use the latest analytics to talent spot, recruit that talent, build relationships with higher clubs for loans etc, manage players out on loan for development or to transfer permanently, all that with the confidence and support of the first team head coach and youth coaches, as well as the board.

Bleeding ell! That's a he'll of a job. Arsene where are you !!!!????

[Chris Black come back]

I'm surprised at how many people on here are identifying the issues and the problems with player choice and recruitment, yet nobody seems to know the answer, or at least a consistent theory on how it should operate.

Let me just point out though that Gavin is not involved in the selection of players. Yes he gets involved in contract negotiation and advising the manager with respect to who is clearly not affordable or who's agent is talking too tough, but not during the selection process. That aspect is carried out by the football side of the business, that is the manager, talent identification guy, and senior pros. So, those who think he doesn't know enough about the football side shouldn't worry. What Gavin is though is an excellent sportsmen who forged his own sporting career. He does specialise in the business side of the club, to obvious effect.

Any chance we can register him for Saturday? Could really earn his wage if he can pose a physical threat upfront.

[roversdude]

Has Hoden listened to this and rebranded it as Gavin told the DFP. The article in the Free Press is nearly word for word the radio interview

[DonnyOsmond]

He might have been there too. They tend to take turns asking questions to the manager, so it might be the same case.

[roversdude]

Fair enough didn’t hear him ask anything though

[Jonathan]

However SM, isn't there an issue there in that arguably there should be someone alongside Gavin doing the same things on a football point of view?  We appear to me to be moving through managers with different contacts, aims, ambitions and styles, it doesn't allow a consistent and longer term build.  Would we not perhaps benefit from that constant presence?

It is almost like we stop and start the whole thing again with each change of manager.  Players, coaches the lot.

In reality there isn't an easy answer but it feels like we could do things different to solve it?

This.

We took the time to recruit Wellens and made all the right noises about rebuilding a footballing identity and having the patience and time to steadily implement it. Having run out of patience after one transfer window, we’re now at the point of re-evaluating that identity and starting again from scratch. If those in charge don’t see how daft that appears, then I worry about how they’ll avoid the same mistakes again.

However, rather like RoversAlias, I don’t agree with all the stick aimed at GB. He’s good for the club overall. I just don’t understand the lack of direction on the footballing side, and agree (as above) that more help is needed there.

[NickDRFC]

I'm surprised at how many people on here are identifying the issues and the problems with player choice and recruitment, yet nobody seems to know the answer, or at least a consistent theory on how it should operate.

Let me just point out though that Gavin is not involved in the selection of players. Yes he gets involved in contract negotiation and advising the manager with respect to who is clearly not affordable or who's agent is talking too tough, but not during the selection process. That aspect is carried out by the football side of the business, that is the manager, talent identification guy, and senior pros. So, those who think he doesn't know enough about the football side shouldn't worry. What Gavin is though is an excellent sportsmen who forged his own sporting career. He does specialise in the business side of the club, to obvious effect.

Why should anyone on here have the answer? They’re not being paid a decent salary or being gifted shares to come up with it, GB is. He’s clearly done a really good job from a commercial standpoint but a pretty poor one football-wise. He should be accountable for that and seeking to improve it.

[sedwardsdrfc]

When managers change so often now, either because we sack them or they get poached, it's important the continuity comes from somewhere. The manager shouldn't be a king type figure whose fall will rock the club to it's core. We should just carry on and find a replacement to fit into what is already there. Every time we need someone who will build the club up but it's not realistic now.

In the interview Staton touches on reliance on loanees and the type of signings etc this needs to be deeper than the manager. If, for example, Moore only wants loanees there should be someone who says "no this isn't the way we want to operate because we need to have a long term interest in the development of players for the sake of the club" Keep that continuity between managers and there should be players in the squad whoever the manager is who we all look at and say yes that's a player who suits DRFC and our style etc. Then it becomes easier to identify new signings we because we know what to look for from past experience in what suits the way DRFC want to play.

[Donny Exile in York]

How the hell can anyone on here  challenge the interview. The only people challenging the legitimate questions to the board re a poor performing team  are Osterichs and an embarrassment to DRFC. The club is.in freefall. If and its a BIG IF the board appointed a manager and back him to keep the team up the fair play in May.. otherwise its yet more poor performance rehteoric from a non descript board. Keep the club up or stop the spin.

[Donny Exile in York]

I'm surprised at how many people on here are identifying the issues and the problems with player choice and recruitment, yet nobody seems to know the answer, or at least a consistent theory on how it should operate.

Let me just point out though that Gavin is not involved in the selection of players. Yes he gets involved in contract negotiation and advising the manager with respect to who is clearly not affordable or who's agent is talking too tough, but not during the selection process. That aspect is carried out by the football side of the business, that is the manager, talent identification guy, and senior pros. So, those who think he doesn't know enough about the football side shouldn't worry. What Gavin is though is an excellent sportsmen who forged his own sporting career. He does specialise in the business side of the club, to obvious effect.

Whats the answer SM...4 strikers on our books before the transfer deadlin to get the goals or having less than 5 players of league one standard at the start of the season?.I.am tired of hearing bull.. tell me who did we recruit to put the ball in the back of the net with our mid table comfortable budget? Cos I don't know and the league table doesn't lie.

[roversdude]

I'm surprised at how many people on here are identifying the issues and the problems with player choice and recruitment, yet nobody seems to know the answer, or at least a consistent theory on how it should operate.

Let me just point out though that Gavin is not involved in the selection of players. Yes he gets involved in contract negotiation and advising the manager with respect to who is clearly not affordable or who's agent is talking too tough, but not during the selection process. That aspect is carried out by the football side of the business, that is the manager, talent identification guy, and senior pros. So, those who think he doesn't know enough about the football side shouldn't worry. What Gavin is though is an excellent sportsmen who forged his own sporting career. He does specialise in the business side of the club, to obvious effect.

Whats the answer SM...4 strikers on our books before the transfer deadlin to get the goals or having less than 5 players of league one standard at the start of the season?.I.am tired of hearing bull.. tell me who did we recruit to put the ball in the back of the net with our mid table comfortable budget? Cos I don't know and the league table doesn't lie.

Fej/Bogle

[DonnyOsmond]

Dodoo, Fej, Bogle and Hiwula have all got half decent records at our level.

[Donny Exile in York]

Dodoo, Fej, Bogle and Hiwula have all got half decent records at our level.

...  maybe one of the four in Fej..

[Alan Southstand]

……..and he was injured from the get-go!

[vaya]

How the hell can anyone on here  challenge the interview.

Meet the owners. Monday 13th December.

[steve@dcfd]

How the hell can anyone on here  challenge the interview.

Meet the owners. Monday 13th December.

That’s been preempted again by Gavin having interviews with Radio Sheffield and Doncaster Free Press he stated the clubs views and plans therefore diluting a lot of questions. They will just reiterate the answers that been given.

[Campsall rover]

Are those people on here who have concerns and asking legitimate questions going to turn up on Monday eve and ask them directly to DB & GB ?

This is our opportunity to ask where we are going as a club from here and what plans are now actually in place to get the club moving back in the right direction.

[steve@dcfd]

He stated in the interview the plans still remain to be a fiscal club in the Championship. We won’t overspend to achieve that but we will continue to get there. We won’t have top two budget but our budget will increase so we can fight to get in the play offs. If you do that enough times you will be promoted.The club hope to be in the position of fighting for the playoffs in the next two seasons.
They will ensure the manager as every assistants to achieve that.

So what’s going to be said any different  on Monday.

[vaya]

How the hell can anyone on here  challenge the interview.

Meet the owners. Monday 13th December.

That’s been preempted again by Gavin having interviews with Radio Sheffield and Doncaster Free Press he stated the clubs views and plans therefore diluting a lot of questions. They will just reiterate the answers that been given.

Putting to one side that you're actually pre-empting what's going to happen yourself Steve, if people ask different questions or ones that haven't been posed in the Press, then they'll get different answers.

If they ask the same questions, then they will get the same answers, the alternative being for the club to be inconsistent in what they're saying.

People have the opportunity on Monday to do either.

[pib]

To be fair, if GB hadn't done any press interviews in the wake of Wellens leaving, he'd have been slated for that as well. Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[steve@dcfd]

Under Covid restrictions will the meeting still go ahead genuine questions. Closed room masks to be worn, the microphone can’t be passed around. Two meter spacing for chairs.

[silent majority]

He stated in the interview the plans still remain to be a fiscal club in the Championship. We won’t overspend to achieve that but we will continue to get there. We won’t have top two budget but our budget will increase so we can fight to get in the play offs. If you do that enough times you will be promoted.The club hope to be in the position of fighting for the playoffs in the next two seasons.
They will ensure the manager as every assistants to achieve that.

So what’s going to be said any different  on Monday.

Maybe the answers that are being given are the actual answers! What are you looking for exactly?

Why does everybody, like you, think that there is some kind of conspiracy to give out false or misleading information?

[steve@dcfd]

To be fair, if GB hadn't done any press interviews in the wake of Wellens leaving, he'd have been slated for that as well. Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Not damning I would have expected him to have an interview

[Campsall rover]

He stated in the interview the plans still remain to be a fiscal club in the Championship. We won’t overspend to achieve that but we will continue to get there. We won’t have top two budget but our budget will increase so we can fight to get in the play offs. If you do that enough times you will be promoted.The club hope to be in the position of fighting for the playoffs in the next two seasons.
They will ensure the manager as every assistants to achieve that.

So what’s going to be said any different  on Monday.

So not going then? What about questions on the DoF.
No good moaning about the board and lack of communication and then when one of these meetings occurs not going and asking questions.

[steve@dcfd]

He stated in the interview the plans still remain to be a fiscal club in the Championship. We won’t overspend to achieve that but we will continue to get there. We won’t have top two budget but our budget will increase so we can fight to get in the play offs. If you do that enough times you will be promoted.The club hope to be in the position of fighting for the playoffs in the next two seasons.
They will ensure the manager as every assistants to achieve that.

So what’s going to be said any different  on Monday.

Maybe the answers that are being given are the actual answers! What are you looking for exactly?

Why does everybody, like you, think that there is some kind of conspiracy to give out false or misleading information?

What’s the attitude for I have said nothing about conspiracy I have said the answers have been given in the interview.

You come across as very aggressive person Martin which doesn’t bother me but there’s no need to be defensive.

[silent majority]

However SM, isn't there an issue there in that arguably there should be someone alongside Gavin doing the same things on a football point of view?  We appear to me to be moving through managers with different contacts, aims, ambitions and styles, it doesn't allow a consistent and longer term build.  Would we not perhaps benefit from that constant presence?

It is almost like we stop and start the whole thing again with each change of manager.  Players, coaches the lot.

In reality there isn't an easy answer but it feels like we could do things different to solve it?

Maybe. But how many other football clubs operate differently to us? Not many I can assure you of that.

It shouldn't be the CEO's position to be actively involved in the selection of players, can you imagine the uproar if GB did start to pick the players?

[steve@dcfd]

He stated in the interview the plans still remain to be a fiscal club in the Championship. We won’t overspend to achieve that but we will continue to get there. We won’t have top two budget but our budget will increase so we can fight to get in the play offs. If you do that enough times you will be promoted.The club hope to be in the position of fighting for the playoffs in the next two seasons.
They will ensure the manager as every assistants to achieve that.

So what’s going to be said any different  on Monday.

So not going then? What about questions on the DoF.
No good moaning about the board and lack of communication and then when one of these meetings occurs not going and asking questions.

The communication from Gavin has been poor but he has sat down and answered questions to the media an hence passing information on to us as supporters about the sacking, the plans, the extra personnel that could be required. There could be other questions I agree. Whether going to sit in the room under latest Covid restrictions is worth it I will make my mind up on Monday

[silent majority]

I'm surprised at how many people on here are identifying the issues and the problems with player choice and recruitment, yet nobody seems to know the answer, or at least a consistent theory on how it should operate.

Let me just point out though that Gavin is not involved in the selection of players. Yes he gets involved in contract negotiation and advising the manager with respect to who is clearly not affordable or who's agent is talking too tough, but not during the selection process. That aspect is carried out by the football side of the business, that is the manager, talent identification guy, and senior pros. So, those who think he doesn't know enough about the football side shouldn't worry. What Gavin is though is an excellent sportsmen who forged his own sporting career. He does specialise in the business side of the club, to obvious effect.

Why should anyone on here have the answer? They’re not being paid a decent salary or being gifted shares to come up with it, GB is. He’s clearly done a really good job from a commercial standpoint but a pretty poor one football-wise. He should be accountable for that and seeking to improve it.

I didn't say anybody on here should have the answer, what I said was that everybody is great at identifying the issues but nobody has identified the answer to those issues, it was clearly an observation on my behalf. When I say clearly, it is to those who are not always looking to find fault with everything I say.

But to suggest that he hasn't done a good job is also disingenuous. Yes the last 12 months haven't been good but surely during his time here he's done more than good enough. He's been heavily involved in manager selection and finding the funding for those managers to operate in the market they have. Your comment on the share position is, quite frankly, rude and misunderstanding of the situation. How do you reach the conclusion he's been 'gifted' the shares and not earnt them? How do you know what part they form in his contract with the club? At the end of the day they're pretty much worthless as the club has no real value so it can't be much of a gift, more a liability.