GM

[Jonathan]

A lot been made of the 4 players agreed  and shortly inbound comment in December but I listened to GM interview after the Fleetwood game and that was down to Two possible and a couple of irons in the fire. Someone’s not being straight with the fans.

Are they backing out already,  have we had to look at different players.

Nope!

But I wish supporters wouldn't take what managers say as gospel, remember these guys are juggling with lots of balls at the same time and are not necessarily media trained. Some managers will want to play up their actions and others will play down the situation.

Many a time I've had to question what a manager has had to say when I've been told something different and usually its the manager telling it differently to suit another agenda. Darren Moore was absolutely terrible at that.

It's not about being straight or honest, its just a fact of life.

SM, given that dealing with the media is a massive part of the job nowadays, I find it astonishing that any manager employed in a permanent role hasn’t done media training. I’m not suggestion that GM hasn’t done this already, but if he’s not before embarking on a management career that’s odd

GM comes across as pretty media savvy. And no surprise, he’s worked in football for over 20 years and been interviewed more times than anyone could care to imagine. The notion that he’s some kind of novice is laughable.

I can assure you that the objective of media training is not to ensure that everyone always tells the truth!

[silent majority]

A lot been made of the 4 players agreed  and shortly inbound comment in December but I listened to GM interview after the Fleetwood game and that was down to Two possible and a couple of irons in the fire. Someone’s not being straight with the fans.

Are they backing out already,  have we had to look at different players.

Nope!

But I wish supporters wouldn't take what managers say as gospel, remember these guys are juggling with lots of balls at the same time and are not necessarily media trained. Some managers will want to play up their actions and others will play down the situation.

Many a time I've had to question what a manager has had to say when I've been told something different and usually its the manager telling it differently to suit another agenda. Darren Moore was absolutely terrible at that.

It's not about being straight or honest, its just a fact of life.

SM, given that dealing with the media is a massive part of the job nowadays, I find it astonishing that any manager employed in a permanent role hasn’t done media training. I’m not suggestion that GM hasn’t done this already, but if he’s not before embarking on a management career that’s odd

GM comes across as pretty media savvy. And no surprise, he’s worked in football for over 20 years and been interviewed more times than anyone could care to imagine. The notion that he’s some kind of novice is laughable.

I can assure you that the objective of media training is not to ensure that everyone always tells the truth!

Well, I certainly wasn't suggesting that GM was a novice, your words not mine. And I wasn't being specific about any manager apart from DM.

But yes, they all get media training, the question is do they follow that, and the answer is no they don't.

And that's the problem we face, if the club mention signing 4 players and the manager mentions 1 or 2 then it doesn't necessarily mean that the club is now lying to the supporters. Managers very often state something in an interview that hasn't been agreed or sanctioned by the club, yet several years down the line supporters are holding the club responsible for lines uttered such  as 'we have quality strikers lined up to replace etc'

[ian1980]

I have no problem with his media interviews. I take a lot of what’s said with a pinch of salt. They may not want to give too much away, play smoke/mirrors or play down interest to get a better deal.

The problem is some people cling to ever word spoken in the media like it’s gospel.

People should just wait for the actually actions to happen, or not, as the case maybe.

[ditch_drfc]

A lot been made of the 4 players agreed  and shortly inbound comment in December but I listened to GM interview after the Fleetwood game and that was down to Two possible and a couple of irons in the fire. Someone’s not being straight with the fans.

Are they backing out already,  have we had to look at different players.

Nope!

But I wish supporters wouldn't take what managers say as gospel, remember these guys are juggling with lots of balls at the same time and are not necessarily media trained. Some managers will want to play up their actions and others will play down the situation.

Many a time I've had to question what a manager has had to say when I've been told something different and usually its the manager telling it differently to suit another agenda. Darren Moore was absolutely terrible at that.

It's not about being straight or honest, its just a fact of life.

SM, given that dealing with the media is a massive part of the job nowadays, I find it astonishing that any manager employed in a permanent role hasn’t done media training. I’m not suggestion that GM hasn’t done this already, but if he’s not before embarking on a management career that’s odd

GM comes across as pretty media savvy. And no surprise, he’s worked in football for over 20 years and been interviewed more times than anyone could care to imagine. The notion that he’s some kind of novice is laughable.

I can assure you that the objective of media training is not to ensure that everyone always tells the truth!

Well, I certainly wasn't suggesting that GM was a novice, your words not mine. And I wasn't being specific about any manager apart from DM.

But yes, they all get media training, the question is do they follow that, and the answer is no they don't.

And that's the problem we face, if the club mention signing 4 players and the manager mentions 1 or 2 then it doesn't necessarily mean that the club is now lying to the supporters. Managers very often state something in an interview that hasn't been agreed or sanctioned by the club, yet several years down the line supporters are holding the club responsible for lines uttered such  as 'we have quality strikers lined up to replace etc'

If a manager says strikers are lined up to replace x, then they and the club should quite rightly get held to account on that. The manager is the club.

[Jonathan]

A lot been made of the 4 players agreed  and shortly inbound comment in December but I listened to GM interview after the Fleetwood game and that was down to Two possible and a couple of irons in the fire. Someone’s not being straight with the fans.

Are they backing out already,  have we had to look at different players.

Nope!

But I wish supporters wouldn't take what managers say as gospel, remember these guys are juggling with lots of balls at the same time and are not necessarily media trained. Some managers will want to play up their actions and others will play down the situation.

Many a time I've had to question what a manager has had to say when I've been told something different and usually its the manager telling it differently to suit another agenda. Darren Moore was absolutely terrible at that.

It's not about being straight or honest, its just a fact of life.

SM, given that dealing with the media is a massive part of the job nowadays, I find it astonishing that any manager employed in a permanent role hasn’t done media training. I’m not suggestion that GM hasn’t done this already, but if he’s not before embarking on a management career that’s odd

GM comes across as pretty media savvy. And no surprise, he’s worked in football for over 20 years and been interviewed more times than anyone could care to imagine. The notion that he’s some kind of novice is laughable.

I can assure you that the objective of media training is not to ensure that everyone always tells the truth!

Well, I certainly wasn't suggesting that GM was a novice, your words not mine. And I wasn't being specific about any manager apart from DM.

But yes, they all get media training, the question is do they follow that, and the answer is no they don't.

And that's the problem we face, if the club mention signing 4 players and the manager mentions 1 or 2 then it doesn't necessarily mean that the club is now lying to the supporters. Managers very often state something in an interview that hasn't been agreed or sanctioned by the club, yet several years down the line supporters are holding the club responsible for lines uttered such  as 'we have quality strikers lined up to replace etc'

I wasn’t being objectionable, in fact I hadn’t read your post above. I was responding about the club appointing a manager that isn’t media trained. Everyone in that kind of role will be, whether formally or informally, media trained and experienced.

“One or two” is just a turn of phrase. People forensically dissect everything and that’s the issue.

[roversdude]

GB saying we have to hold on until next week now !!

[Jonathan]

GB saying we have to hold on until next week now !!

Where has this been said? I thought he was interviewed last week and said next week as in this week.

[roversdude]

New interview with Hoden unless it’s a repeat

[roversdude]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/permanent-deals-agreed-in-principle-with-two-doncaster-rovers-targets-3522686

[silent majority]

GB saying we have to hold on until next week now !!

That's not correct. No idea where that's come from but it's not accurate.

[silent majority]

A lot been made of the 4 players agreed  and shortly inbound comment in December but I listened to GM interview after the Fleetwood game and that was down to Two possible and a couple of irons in the fire. Someone’s not being straight with the fans.

Are they backing out already,  have we had to look at different players.

Nope!

But I wish supporters wouldn't take what managers say as gospel, remember these guys are juggling with lots of balls at the same time and are not necessarily media trained. Some managers will want to play up their actions and others will play down the situation.

Many a time I've had to question what a manager has had to say when I've been told something different and usually its the manager telling it differently to suit another agenda. Darren Moore was absolutely terrible at that.

It's not about being straight or honest, its just a fact of life.

SM, given that dealing with the media is a massive part of the job nowadays, I find it astonishing that any manager employed in a permanent role hasn’t done media training. I’m not suggestion that GM hasn’t done this already, but if he’s not before embarking on a management career that’s odd

GM comes across as pretty media savvy. And no surprise, he’s worked in football for over 20 years and been interviewed more times than anyone could care to imagine. The notion that he’s some kind of novice is laughable.

I can assure you that the objective of media training is not to ensure that everyone always tells the truth!

Well, I certainly wasn't suggesting that GM was a novice, your words not mine. And I wasn't being specific about any manager apart from DM.

But yes, they all get media training, the question is do they follow that, and the answer is no they don't.

And that's the problem we face, if the club mention signing 4 players and the manager mentions 1 or 2 then it doesn't necessarily mean that the club is now lying to the supporters. Managers very often state something in an interview that hasn't been agreed or sanctioned by the club, yet several years down the line supporters are holding the club responsible for lines uttered such  as 'we have quality strikers lined up to replace etc'

If a manager says strikers are lined up to replace x, then they and the club should quite rightly get held to account on that. The manager is the club.

You're missing my point.

It's managers who sometimes say things that stick in supporters memories, but once that managers gone how can you hold the club to account?

If the club do as you say then they'd have to be holding a press conference everyday to correct or confirm what the manager has just said, and that's not going to happen.

[roversdude]

Really hope not SM

[silent majority]

Really hope not SM

That's the interview from the Press conference last week isn't it? The same one that Radio Sheffield broadcast?

Which will mean that Gavin is talking about this week, and seeing as players have just gone back that would fit, right?

[roversdude]

Not sure it’s (the article) dated today, really hope it is a repeat though

[Metalmicky]

It will be Hoden looking for clicks and attention....

[DonnyOsmond]

It will be Hoden looking for clicks and attention....

By reporting news? His job? That makes no sense Micky.

[roversdude]

Or recycling news ???

[Metalmicky]

It will be Hoden looking for clicks and attention....

By reporting news? His job? That makes no sense Micky.

As roversdude already said - regurgitating old news...

[roversdude]

It certainly seems to be everything from the interview that was published LAST week

[DonnyOsmond]

He was in that interview, you can hear him at the end. He's just reporting what was said in that interview and offering another form of media. Very dramatic from you both.

[Metalmicky]

He was in that interview, you can hear him at the end. He's just reporting what was said in that interview and offering an other form of media. Very dramatic from you both.

dramatic...? 

[roversdude]

Thanks DO

[ditch_drfc]

If a manager says strikers are lined up to replace x, then they and the club should quite rightly get held to account on that. The manager is the club.

You're missing my point.

It's managers who sometimes say things that stick in supporters memories, but once that managers gone how can you hold the club to account?

If the club do as you say then they'd have to be holding a press conference everyday to correct or confirm what the manager has just said, and that's not going to happen.

No, I get your point. But that's a personnel issue - if we've got employees telling the media a pack of lies they really need to be disciplined.

I get needing to read between the lines when a manager gives an interview, but if they say the sky's blue as supporters we need to take them at face value.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

This is typical of what fans pick upon when looking for pointers. As said above, everything should always be taken with a pinch of salt, particularly when it's regurgitated by the press and not one where it's been heard from the horses mouth.

I heard GMs radio interview, and it was a comment about new players coming in before the next game, when he answered one or two potentially. In the same interview he also referred to a 'few' additions this month.

There is nothing in that interview that is at odds with what Gavin has said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0bg4q5t