Should Starmer Resign?

[Branton Red]

Just a final thought. The lockdown rules could certainly be considered puritanical (that's not saying I was against them btw) so during lockdown shouldn't we have expected  "beatific puritanical behaviour" from our politicians to match given the seriousness of the situation and what the populace was being asked to endure? i.e. setting an example.

Imagine the photo of Starmer enjoying an alcoholic drink with others had been published at the time. Anyone care to disagree that a certain small percentage of the population with a particular mindset would have used that as a cue/argument to break lockdown rules? So increasing Covid spread. So increasing Covid deaths.

Still think his behaviour, given his position and profile, is acceptable?

[aidanstu]

Just a final thought. The lockdown rules could certainly be considered puritanical (that's not saying I was against them btw) so during lockdown shouldn't we have expected  "beatific puritanical behaviour" from our politicians to match given the seriousness of the situation and what the populace was being asked to endure? i.e. setting an example.

Imagine the photo of Starmer enjoying an alcoholic drink with others had been published at the time. Anyone care to disagree that a certain small percentage of the population with a particular mindset would have used that as a cue/argument to break lockdown rules? So increasing Covid spread. So increasing Covid deaths.

Still think his behaviour, given his position and profile, is acceptable?

As a Labour supporter I do t think it was excusable; neither were Boris’ parties, him repeatedly walking around hospitals without masks.

People never picked up on the fact that when he allegedly caught covid he was at Downing Street and went to a local hospital but then was discharged and went to his second home at Chequers. that, at the time, was also against the rules.

Both have acted against the rules; Boris has absolutely taken the p#%s though.

[DonnyOsmond]

Starmer was in Labour Party office in Durham organising campaigning for the Hatlepool by-election. The hotel he was staying in was not serving food at that time - only take-aways were open.

Lot of myths going around here.

Can someone point me to where Bentley has critised Johnson for his eating and drinking at 'work related events' I appear to have missed it? Again.

Don't call him Bentley, call him what he is, The Daily Mail.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Can someone point out to me which rule Starmer broke?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Starmer was in Labour Party office in Durham organising campaigning for the Hatlepool by-election. The hotel he was staying in was not serving food at that time - only take-aways were open.

Lot of myths going around here.

Can someone point me to where Bentley has critised Johnson for his eating and drinking at 'work related events' I appear to have missed it? Again.

Perhaps he should have done what the rest of the country did and booked suitable self catering hospitality for himself and his staff separately.  My former business did that despite the high cost.  Poor excuse.

[Bentley Bullet]

Starmer was in Labour Party office in Durham organising campaigning for the Hatlepool by-election. The hotel he was staying in was not serving food at that time - only take-aways were open.

Lot of myths going around here.

Can someone point me to where Bentley has critised Johnson for his eating and drinking at 'work related events' I appear to have missed it? Again.

I'll criticise Johnson for eating and drinking at 'work-related events' when you criticise Starmer for eating and drinking at 'work related events.'

[River Don]

This is the point.

Was it a work related event?

[SydneyRover]

A bigger question RD would be, has there any work done in #10 at all since johnson parked his arse in there?

[drfchound]

What do you think SR.
Do you have an opinion to share on this.

[River Don]

I think there were a lot of after-work parties.

I suspect Johnson doesn't have a great work ethic.

I'm a bit perplexed after all that has emerged and as even his own MPs abandon him, why some Tory supporters still want to retain him.

[Metalmicky]

I wondered where Corbyn had been......

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-new-political-party-keir-starmer-reinstated-labour-mp-1392176

[BillyStubbsTears]

Starmer was in Labour Party office in Durham organising campaigning for the Hatlepool by-election. The hotel he was staying in was not serving food at that time - only take-aways were open.

Lot of myths going around here.

Can someone point me to where Bentley has critised Johnson for his eating and drinking at 'work related events' I appear to have missed it? Again.

I'll criticise Johnson for eating and drinking at 'work-related events' when you criticise Starmer for eating and drinking at 'work related events.'

Just for clarity, what do you define as a "work related ev...

Actually, f**k it. What  is the point?

[Bentley Bullet]

There's no point talking to you. No matter what I say it'll be wrong in your one-sided, biased and bent view.

[drfchound]

I wondered where Corbyn had been......

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-new-political-party-keir-starmer-reinstated-labour-mp-1392176

Kin ell MM, that would make it even more difficult for Starmer if it went ahead.

[Bentley Bullet]

Bloody 'ell, not another party.

[albie]

Back to Keith, and Sharon is shaping up tricky:
https://twitter.com/UniteSharon/status/1491482643711594506

The red hot poker of insolvency creeping up on Starmer if Shaz follows through.
This is before the probable payouts for unlawful discrimination against Labour members under his leadership.

[normal rules]

I do wonder if any Labour supporters on here would even recognise that Starmer is failing them currently?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I do wonder if any Labour supporters on here would even recognise that Starmer is failing them currently?

Only about 8% ahead in the polls? Not good enough!

[tyke1962]

I do wonder if any Labour supporters on here would even recognise that Starmer is failing them currently?

Only about 8% ahead in the polls? Not good enough!

I'd imagine almost every opposition party would be 8 points in front given recent events .

The elephant in the room is that if he was actually any great shakes , had a vision etc etc .......

Then he'd be 20 points plus ahead wouldn't he ?

[normal rules]

I do wonder if any Labour supporters on here would even recognise that Starmer is failing them currently?

Only about 8% ahead in the polls? Not good enough!

We all know that those polls count for nothing when it comes to GE time.

[tyke1962]

I do wonder if any Labour supporters on here would even recognise that Starmer is failing them currently?

The pulling of union money away from the Labour Party isn't just about cash per se .

This is about lack of representation amongst a significant number of people who percentage wise do the less glamourless jobs .

What Starmer doesn't see is that we've been here before with New Labour .

What Starmer doesn't see is that this country is way different to what it was during the Blair years .

The financial crash and austerity have changed the dynamics massively .

The New Labour play book will not work with today's trade unions whose money funds the party .

I'd suggest he finds some policies and pretty quickly that the trade unions can support .

Otherwise it won't be just funding he'll be losing its thousands of votes too .

[normal rules]

My comment was not a dig. I’m asking genuine honest Labour supporters if they think starmer is fit to lead their party. He is for the bankers and the bosses. He is about as far detached from the trade unions as he possibly could be.,

[tyke1962]

My comment was not a dig. I’m asking genuine honest Labour supporters if they think starmer is fit to lead their party. He is for the bankers and the bosses. He is about as far detached from the trade unions as he possibly could be.,

I suppose what the Labour Party is supposed to be means different things to different people .

No matter how you see the Party there should always be policies that trade unions can support given it was they who founded it , funded and supported it .

The fact that funding is getting withdrawn certainty suggests that's currently not the case .

[SydneyRover]

I do wonder if any Labour supporters on here would even recognise that Starmer is failing them currently?

The pulling of union money away from the Labour Party isn't just about cash per se .

This is about lack of representation amongst a significant number of people who percentage wise do the less glamourless jobs .

What Starmer doesn't see is that we've been here before with New Labour .

What Starmer doesn't see is that this country is way different to what it was during the Blair years .

The financial crash and austerity have changed the dynamics massively .

The New Labour play book will not work with today's trade unions whose money funds the party .

I'd suggest he finds some policies and pretty quickly that the trade unions can support .

Otherwise it won't be just funding he'll be losing its thousands of votes too .

All these people cannot speak directly to their MP? does this stop the union fighting for it's members? does it stop these people from being members of the labour party?

Looks, via the polls that labour are gaining thousands of votes, Of course people will make all sort of silly observations that these polls don't matter or the only poll that matters is the GE, but if these polls didn't matter johnson's job wouldn't be in such peril.

[tyke1962]

I do wonder if any Labour supporters on here would even recognise that Starmer is failing them currently?

The pulling of union money away from the Labour Party isn't just about cash per se .

This is about lack of representation amongst a significant number of people who percentage wise do the less glamourless jobs .

What Starmer doesn't see is that we've been here before with New Labour .

What Starmer doesn't see is that this country is way different to what it was during the Blair years .

The financial crash and austerity have changed the dynamics massively .

The New Labour play book will not work with today's trade unions whose money funds the party .

I'd suggest he finds some policies and pretty quickly that the trade unions can support .

Otherwise it won't be just funding he'll be losing its thousands of votes too .

All these people cannot speak directly to their MP? does this stop the union fighting for it's members? does it stop these people from being members of the labour party?

Looks, via the polls that labour are gaining thousands of votes, Of course people will make all sort of silly observations that these polls don't matter or the only poll that matters is the GE, but if these polls didn't matter johnson's job wouldn't be in such peril.

That's precisely what the union's who withdraw funding to the Labour Party are are set to do .

Use the money instead to fight and support more localised projects for the members .

Johnson's job prospects of lack of them  isn't anything to do with what Starmer 's done .

That's the precisely the point , Johnson falling on his sword isn't even a third of the argument .

Falling on his sword and replaced by someone who actually wants to really  improve the country for the better is the debate .

At this moment in time the evidence isn't there .

[SydneyRover]

So get on with it then tyke, what are you doing?

So you want Starmer to give in to blackmail? damned if he does ..................

[drfchound]

My comment was not a dig. I’m asking genuine honest Labour supporters if they think starmer is fit to lead their party. He is for the bankers and the bosses. He is about as far detached from the trade unions as he possibly could be.,

NR, I think that even by looking at the small snapshot of Labour supporters on here that there is a great division in the Labour Party.
When Johnson is gone and someone better takes over those polls will change again.

[SydneyRover]

My comment was not a dig. I’m asking genuine honest Labour supporters if they think starmer is fit to lead their party. He is for the bankers and the bosses. He is about as far detached from the trade unions as he possibly could be.,

NR, I think that even by looking at the small snapshot of Labour supporters on here that there is a great division in the Labour Party.
When Johnson is gone and someone better takes over those polls will change again.

fingers crossed aye tyke?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Neil Coyle, the Labour MP has been suspended just a day after allegations were made that he made racist comments to a journalist.

Mark Webster, the Tory MP has been promoted to Leader of the House while an investigation continues into allegations that he made racist comments to a colleague.

But yeah, all the political parties are as bad as each other.

[albie]

Coyle has form for abuse of others and racism going back years.
This is well known within Labour and nothing has been done about him until it can no longer be ignored.

The name of the LABOUR Party is a big clue as to what the priorities of the Party should be.
Labour exists to improve the prospects for those who sell their labour, rather than those who are supported by capital assets.

It is NOT the purpose of the Labour Party to enable the activities of the financial sector, despite what neo-liberals like Mandelson and Starmer think. Labour should be a counterweight to the dominance of vested interests, not captured by those interests.

Sharon Graham understands this, and explains her focus here;
https://leftfootforward.org/2022/02/sharon-graham-we-dont-need-lectures-from-the-rich-on-pay-restraint/?doing_wp_cron=1644683145.6072568893432617187500

There are some who believe Starmer is purposely destroying Labour by undermining the support base and impoverishing the reserves.
If Keith is not doing this deliberately, the effect is the same on current trend.