Should Starmer Resign?

[ravenrover]

Are we ignoring Mark Spencer who is being investigated for his "muslimness" comments but still gets Leader of the House postion as a reward as he put it.

[MachoMadness]

Coyle is a nasty piece of work, always has been an abusive, bullying prick like most of the Labour right. Of course anyone calling that out before now was dismissed as a Corbynite.

[SydneyRover]

You are saying nothing has been done about Coyle until Starmer became leader Albie?

[SydneyRover]

Coyle has form for abuse of others and racism going back years.
This is well known within Labour and nothing has been done about him until it can no longer be ignored.

The name of the LABOUR Party is a big clue as to what the priorities of the Party should be.
Labour exists to improve the prospects for those who sell their labour, rather than those who are supported by capital assets.

It is NOT the purpose of the Labour Party to enable the activities of the financial sector, despite what neo-liberals like Mandelson and Starmer think. Labour should be a counterweight to the dominance of vested interests, not captured by those interests.

Sharon Graham understands this, and explains her focus here;
https://leftfootforward.org/2022/02/sharon-graham-we-dont-need-lectures-from-the-rich-on-pay-restraint/?doing_wp_cron=1644683145.6072568893432617187500

There are some who believe Starmer is purposely destroying Labour by undermining the support base and impoverishing the reserves.
If Keith is not doing this deliberately, the effect is the same on current trend.

Not a lot can be solved from opposition Albie but this appears to be falling on stony ground.

I think you need to tell us why Starmer or anyone (please name them ) would purposely destroy labour and what advantage that would give anyone, you are not making sense Albie

Sound like another conspiracy theory Albie

[Metalmicky]

Interesting article on Starmer and his varying political direction - not sure if already shared.

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/16/has-keir-starmer-sold-out-pro-europeans-on-brexit/ 

Of particular note is the fact that he is ruling out any prospect of the UK ever returning to the EU and insisting that the country must embrace the “opportunities” of Brexit.

Also another quote suggests that "he abandoned his previous support for nationalising utility companies, as well as supporting the free movement of people – both of which featured in his ’10 pledges’ to Labour members.

I'm not a big follower of Labour policies, but found it credible that he was able to adapt and change policy......

[albie]

Labour need to have clean hands, clear of the dirty money scandals of the Tories with their Russian backers.

Unfortunately, Mandelson has muddied himself with Russian interests, and financial support from Israeli interests has tainted the Starmer brand.

Abandoning support for nationalising utilities is borderline insane.
It is very popular with voters, and it perpetuates the problem of utilities profiteering from rising energy costs.

More bumper pay-outs in shareholder dividends, large salaries for CEO's with share options etc, the whole racket.

It is interesting that France is rising energy prices by 4%, when the UK is looking at 54% increases.
Energy supply in France is seen as public service infrastructure, and is 85% in public control.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/kwasi-kwarteng-france-uk-energy-prices-310893/

The difference to the UK dependence upon the private sector is stark.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Interesting labour have made an honest mistake and now admitted things a little different to their original take on the Durham gathering.  And seemingly Starmer had cake for his birthday too.  That's awkward.

[SydneyRover]

Any new evidence to report pud?

[Hounslowrover]

Cake report for Starmer in the Mail gives the date ...there was no lockdown then. Also, don't the Mail know there's a war going on!

[SydneyRover]

I'll put the kettle on for us Hounslow

[BillyStubbsTears]

Cake report for Starmer in the Mail gives the date ...there was no lockdown then. Also, don't the Mail know there's a war going on!

Yeah, but....bothsides! Clearly if Starmer is going to complain about Johnson breaking the law, he shouldn't have...err...not broken the law himself. So ...err ...hypocrite!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Cake report for Starmer in the Mail gives the date ...there was no lockdown then. Also, don't the Mail know there's a war going on!

Yeah, but....bothsides! Clearly if Starmer is going to complain about Johnson breaking the law, he shouldn't have...err...not broken the law himself. So ...err ...hypocrite!

The guidance at the time suggests he may have done (unless he bought himself 2 cakes).  I don't understand why they'd like about who was in Durham either it's all a bit odd.

Does any of it really matter? Probably not but akward given he's made it an issue for the PM.

[Bentley Bullet]

I always get the impression that BST has more success in convincing himself of his hypocrisy than he has in convincing others.

[BillyStubbsTears]

He couldn't have broken any social distancing laws in September 2020, because there weren't any.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I always get the impression that BST has more success in convincing himself of his hypocrisy than he has in convincing others.

Aye. You have great difficulty in looking at evidence and forming any grown up conclusion. It's factored in to everything you ever post in here.

[Bentley Bullet]

He couldn't have broken any social distancing laws in September 2020, because there weren't any.

Yes, there were.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You REALLY sure you want to do this BB?

[Bentley Bullet]

I always get the impression that BST has more success in convincing himself of his hypocrisy than he has in convincing others.

Aye. You have great difficulty in looking at evidence and forming any grown up conclusion. It's factored in to everything you ever post in here.

We all have one thing in common on this fourth division football forum, we are all losers.

Some of us, however, are better losers than others.

[SydneyRover]

Cake report for Starmer in the Mail gives the date ...there was no lockdown then. Also, don't the Mail know there's a war going on!

Yeah, but....bothsides! Clearly if Starmer is going to complain about Johnson breaking the law, he shouldn't have...err...not broken the law himself. So ...err ...hypocrite!

The guidance at the time suggests he may have done (unless he bought himself 2 cakes).  I don't understand why they'd like about who was in Durham either it's all a bit odd.

Does any of it really matter? Probably not but akward given he's made it an issue for the PM.

So, what do you think the outcome will be pud?

[Hounslowrover]

Lockdown was brought in on the 14 September, the Mail sys at the start of September Starmer was given a birthday cake.

[SydneyRover]

Doesn't matter what the truth is when you're desperate for a distraction, but there you go.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Lockdown was brought in on the 14 September, the Mail sys at the start of September Starmer was given a birthday cake.

Yes but...both sides are as bad as each other!

One broke the law and lied about it in Parliament.

The other did neither.

Clearly both are equally bad.

[SydneyRover]

It's a pyramid scheme style of government with a criminal at the top supported by ever increasing rows of stooges propping him up.

[drfchound]

From The Week.

“Has Boris Johnson committed a crime?
The prime minister broke the law but by paying the fixed penalty fine he has avoided being prosecuted for the offence and so will not have a criminal record.”

“An offender would face criminal prosecution only if a fixed penalty notice was unpaid after 28 days and the relevant police force decided to prosecute,” explained the Commons’ Justice Committee in a report into the Covid-related offences.”

Sydney has told another untruth then.

[drfchound]

BBC News at lunchtime has a reporter saying that when Starmer was asked about that beer he was drinking in front of the window, whether Raynor was at the gathering.
He said no she wasn’t but now apparently there is proof that she was there.
He says it was an honest mistake to make in denying she was there.
That’s ok then.
Are they all the same?

[Bentley Bullet]

Apparently, Keir Starmer was presented with two birthday cakes in September 2020, when Covid guidance stated that people "should not hold or attend celebrations" where social distancing would be difficult.

[Bentley Bullet]

BBC News at lunchtime has a reporter saying that when Starmer was asked about that beer he was drinking in front of the window, whether Raynor was at the gathering.
He said no she wasn’t but now apparently there is proof that she was there.
He says it was an honest mistake to make in denying she was there.
That’s ok then.
Are they all the same?

Of course they're not all the same, Hound. Wash your mouth out! Only Tory party members lie. Labour party members just make mistakes!

[Hounslowrover]

Tha Mail produces no evidence whether a birthday party were held, or who was there when he ate it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Apparently, Keir Starmer was presented with two birthday cakes in September 2020, when Covid guidance stated that people "should not hold or attend celebrations" where social distancing would be difficult.

And your point is?

Were they crammed in like sardines? We're the shagging over the photocopier.

Was having a birthday cake any different to going out for a meal in a restaurant, which had been subsidised by the Chancellor for the past month?

[Bentley Bullet]

My point is Keir Starmer is a hypocrite, and anyone (like you) who is defending him while condemning Johnson for what basically amounts to the same offence is a hypocrite too.

Why do you constantly think it is acceptable that you change the course of the argument instead of addressing the point being made?