Should Starmer Resign?

[BillyStubbsTears]

This story should be assessed by someone who is neutral, impartial, unbiased and unprejudiced.

Let's wait for BST to comment.

Good to see you don't include yourself in the neutral, impartial, unbiased and unprejudiced group.

Mr Wiggerly, I'm a self-appointed advocate of fair, unbiased discussion. A sort of referee if you like, making sure one side isn't monopolising prejudiced opinion. a sort of "levelling up" process if you like.

If that means I have to be biased and prejudiced the other way in order to level things up I will be. 

That's the type of guy I am!

It's always been perfectly clear what kind of guy you are.

[SydneyRover]

Yes he has! He's apologised, which is more than Starmer has done.

You and johnson have a lot in common, except he has your money and is laughing.

[Bentley Bullet]

This story should be assessed by someone who is neutral, impartial, unbiased and unprejudiced.

Let's wait for BST to comment.

Good to see you don't include yourself in the neutral, impartial, unbiased and unprejudiced group.

Mr Wiggerly, I'm a self-appointed advocate of fair, unbiased discussion. A sort of referee if you like, making sure one side isn't monopolising prejudiced opinion. a sort of "levelling up" process if you like.

If that means I have to be biased and prejudiced the other way in order to level things up I will be. 

That's the type of guy I am!

It's always been perfectly clear what kind of guy you are.

Why thanks BST. How nice of you to say!

[Glyn_Wigley]

If Starmer and Raynor get fined then they resign. Simple.

They know their position would be unacceptable.

If those at the meeting were breaking the rules then they should be fined.

What were the rules at the time of the meeting?

[phil old leake]

What about the other concern. If Starmer goes who’s going to lead the opposition that won’t play straight into the Tories hands

They could well elect another unelectable Corbyn type

[BillyStubbsTears]

Starmer's not going to resign because he didn't break any rules.

Johnson's not going to resign because he DID break the law, and lied about it, but he's a moral vacuum.

Why are we still talking about this?

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, where did you get the information that Starmer didn't break any rules from?

I trust it's from a neutral, impartial, unbiased and unprejudiced source?

[selby]

  Of course it is, it is from that bastion of cover ups The Labour Party.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's my opinion based on a grown up assessment of the facts in the public domain. I expect you two to struggle with that concept. Bye.

[selby]

  Would that include the facts the Labour Party covered up  Billy, or the few they made public at the beginning of the saga?

[wilts rover]

BST, where did you get the information that Starmer didn't break any rules from?

I trust it's from a neutral, impartial, unbiased and unprejudiced source?

Because in this country you are innocent until proven guilty? Unless you are unimpartial, biased and prejudiced I suspect.

[bpoolrover]

i think your being to kind to starmer bst, he might well have not broke the law, but you of all people who at that time were shielding one of your work colleagues should see that having curry and beers at a time you were advised to work from home is not a good idea,maybe they could have just got a meal deal or took sandwiches like most other people had to do, it must of been quite obvious to him that drinking beer will have been seen as a social event

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, where did you get the information that Starmer didn't break any rules from?

I trust it's from a neutral, impartial, unbiased and unprejudiced source?

Because in this country you are innocent until proven guilty? Unless you are unimpartial, biased and prejudiced I suspect.

Ah! Does that include Conservatives or just Labour MP's?

PS. Not sure what unimpartial means.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

You were advised to work from home WHERE POSSIBLE.

Election campaigning was specifically excluded from that requirement. Starmer had spent the day campaigning in Hull, 150 miles from home, and spent the evening in meetings in Hartlepool, 250 miles from home, catching up with colleagues and planning the next day's campaigning. During that, he had food and a can of beer.

What rules did he break?

[Glyn_Wigley]

*BB ignores dictionary definition yet again shocker*

[bpoolrover]

Bpool.

You were advised to work from home WHERE POSSIBLE.

Election campaigning was specifically excluded from that requirement. Starmer had spent the day campaigning in Hull, 150 miles from home, and spent the evening in meetings in Hartlepool, 250 miles from home, catching up with colleagues and planning the next day's campaigning. During that, he had food and a can of beer.

What rules did he break?

i'm surprised at you, all thru this pandemic you have said about your poorly work colleague and have stood the moral high ground, how do you think drinking beer and having a curry is acceptable at work when you couldn't even see loved ones? i said he might well not have broke the law but that said it's not setting a good example is it? and we don't no if he has broke rules yet as there still investigating as far as i know

[bpoolrover]

if i went to your work place and brought a curry and a beer and sat with your work colleagues would you have allowed it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

if i went to your work place and brought a curry and a beer and sat with your work colleagues would you have allowed it?

If you'd just done a 16 hour days and we're still working late on Friday night, should you starve yourself?

[bpoolrover]

if i went to your work place and brought a curry and a beer and sat with your work colleagues would you have allowed it?

If you'd just done a 16 hour days and we're still working late on Friday night, should you starve yourself?

do you need to have beers when you eat? i have a friend that owns a nightclub, himself the other owner and some other staff met to discuss work at the nightclub had a couple of beers while working and got fined, they were told that was due  basically because they were having alcohol, it depends on what you class as becoming a social event, if it was someone you didn't like you would say it's wrong but because labour you just won't have it lol

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

Remember that picture of the people eating and drinking in the garden in the sunshine at Downing St? Loads of people drinking wine?

The Met Police decided that wasn't even going to be investigated because it was clear no law had been broken. I accept that. I don't know what makes you choose to believe that I'd treat the two sides differently. Maybe you could explain?

[bpoolrover]

because you have found starmer innocent already and you have no idea what has gone on, i have never said he has broke the law either but it's not the cleverest thing to do either is it?

[bpoolrover]

to me having beer and curry has nothing to do with work but maybe that's just me i see that as socialising

[BillyStubbsTears]

So what should he have done when he'd been on the go all day and his team was still working at gone 10pm? Are you saying they shouldn't have eaten until they'd finished and gone back to their individual rooms? And if that was necessary for Starmer's team, surely it would have been necessary in Downing St? But we've had it established by the Met that eating and drinking alcohol while working was not a breach of the law. So once again, what do you think Starmer has done wrong?

[Bentley Bullet]

BST. What is the  'significant' new information the Durham police has?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I suspect it's the agenda. Unless the Tory press have been sending stuff to the police and not telling us.

I also suspect that since it became such a huge story, the Durham Police felt it in the public interest  to err on the side of investigating rather than ignoring.

But I'm sure you'll disagree so I don't know why you ask.

[Bentley Bullet]

Ah, you mean it's a complete reconstruction of how events developed in the Partygate affair, as to why the police got involved.

But with Beergate you know Starmers innocent despite not knowing what the significant new evidence is!

I see!

[SydneyRover]

What if some ate a porkpie instead, not everyone likes curry. And then there's the strength of the beer, was it real ale or larger? the proof meisters at the mail on sunday should have another steaming pile in the morning.

[wilts rover]

I'll remember that the next time we are away from home at a conference, de-briefing from the day's events and preparing the following days agenda and rota over the evening meal.

Sorry boss, I am not allowed to eat and drink for three days because someone on the internet said so.

[drfchound]

I'll remember that the next time we are away from home at a conference, de-briefing from the day's events and preparing the following days agenda and rota over the evening meal.

Sorry boss, I am not allowed to eat and drink for three days because someone on the internet said so.

You only need worry about doing that wilts if there is some kind of rule in place due to a pandemic. ;-)

[bpoolrover]

So what should he have done when he'd been on the go all day and his team was still working at gone 10pm? Are you saying they shouldn't have eaten until they'd finished and gone back to their individual rooms? And if that was necessary for Starmer's team, surely it would have been necessary in Downing St? But we've had it established by the Met that eating and drinking alcohol while working was not a breach of the law. So once again, what do you think Starmer has done wrong?

let's see what the investigation brings out, as i said you slagged boris off for riding his push bike but of course it's different,in fact i will go as far as saying you and glyn both said when boris went to far on his bike ride he should be fined, what is worse a bike ride or curry and a beer?