Should Starmer Resign?

[Bentley Bullet]

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”

― Margaret Thatcher

You're wasting your time RD, Billy and his disciples will never agree with Thatcher. Thanks for the support, though.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Trying to get a bigger gang together aye Billy?!! You really don't see how pathetic you sound, do you!

You are most probably the biggest hypocrite I've EVER come across, and that is from quite a big selection.

It is Labour supporters like you that stop other potential voters from voting for Labour. Who in their right mind wants to be on the same side as a hypocrite like you?

So you don't agree with logic? Everything makes sense now.

Oh I agree with logic, owd lad, just not yours!

Yet another new definition!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ahh, that makes sense. You have your own definition of "logic".

[River Don]

just out of interest BB where would you say the flaw in Billy's logic is?

[Bentley Bullet]

Ahh, that makes sense. You have your own definition of "logic".

Logic is correct reasoning. It is your version of correct reasoning that I don't agree with.

Now, get back to me when you're ready to rid yourself of the bullshit and answer some questions for a change.

[ravenrover]

BST

Johnson lied to the house IN YOUR OPINION. Why should he resign just because a politically twisted and biased person like you says he should?

Starmer shouldn't even wait for a verdict, after all, he argued that being under investigation alone is grounds for Boris Johnson's resignation, so why hasn't he resigned?

BB Johnson was asked directly were there any parties his answer was no.
This was later changed to he was not aware of any parties but that all rules had been followed at all times
The Met have decided differently and issued him with a FPN so does that not mean that he did in fact mislead/lie to the house?

No

So Johnson was fined for attending an actual party as deemed illegal by The Met interpreting his own Govt rules, yet having said there were no parties in the House he didn't mislead/lie to the House? Fraid you've lost me on that one even with your interpretation of the English language

[Bentley Bullet]

just out of interest BB where would you say the flaw in Billy's logic is?

BST comes on here preaching about his honesty and integrity to all and sundry and his ambition to see his precious Labour party back in power. He wants a Labour government that gets into power by the only means it can with right-wing policies and then move to the left when it achieves it. In other words, he wants HIS party of choice to lie through its back teeth to the electorate.

Honesty and integrity my arse.

[River Don]

Yeah, you've answered a different question there BB.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ahh, that makes sense. You have your own definition of "logic".

Logic is correct reasoning. It is your version of correct reasoning that I don't agree with.

Now, get back to me when you're ready to rid yourself of the bullshit and answer some questions for a change.

Thing is BB, you DON'T disagree with my reasoning.

You said so here yourself that Johnson didn't realise that an event where his wife and her interior designer came into his office with a birthday cake wasn't a breach of the law.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=283693.msg1158054#msg1158054

Your own words. "you can be unaware of events or misinterpret them". In other words, you can be too thick to understand that a party is a party. Just like I said.

So why exactly are you arguing? Other that that cloying need you have to make every exchange about you and arguing?

[Bentley Bullet]

No RD, just about every subject regarding politics and the Tory party involves BST talking about their lack of honesty and integrity. That includes this one.

He's a fake.

[River Don]

And you're changing the subject there BB.

[River Don]

Just imagine BB,

You could admit your man is flawed. I'm not asking you to change your political beliefs. You could just accept he's not perfect, it's staring you in the face.

It might be easier to argue that his failures can be forgiven because he makes up for it in other ways. I don't want to lead the witness but that's the line some Tory MPs are taking.

[wilts rover]

There are posters on this forum who have never criticised Johnson and never will, whatever he does. What they will do is attack the people who do point out his lying and hypocracy.

Just like the right wing press who, 2 weeks ago, said that people weren't interested in parties and we should concentrate on thigs that really matter like the war in Ukraine and the cost of living crises. I said before there is no way they will let Labour into power, however moderate and boring the leader and his policies are. Because they will have to stop avoiding paying their taxes.

Thats how fascism started and thats how it has worked throught the ages.

No point arguing with them. Call them out - then ignore them.

[drfchound]

There are posters on this forum who have never criticised Johnson and never will, whatever he does. What they will do is attack the people who do point out his lying and hypocracy.

Just like the right wing press who, 2 weeks ago, said that people weren't interested in parties and we should concentrate on thigs that really matter like the war in Ukraine and the cost of living crises. I said before there is no way they will let Labour into power, however moderate and boring the leader and his policies are. Because they will have to stop avoiding paying their taxes.

Thats how fascism started and thats how it has worked throught the ages.

No point arguing with them. Call them out - then ignore them.

Wilts, just out of curiosity, who do have on the list of posters who have never criticised Johnson.

[Bentley Bullet]

Just imagine BB,

You could admit your man is flawed. I'm not asking you to change your political beliefs. You could just accept he's not perfect, it's staring you in the face.

It might be easier to argue that his failures can be forgiven because he makes up for it in other ways. I don't want to lead the witness but that's the line some Tory MPs are taking.

I've said Johnson has made mistakes, and of course, he's flawed. It is probably his buffoonish persona that has got him to be PM. But I'm f**ked if I'm gonna join BST & co's constant abuse of him and the Tory party, especially when BST's blatant one-sided biasedness takes him to new heights of hypocrisy like it has on this thread.

Now, to put the record straight, Johnson is not 'my man', and I would only vote for him if the only alternative was Labour.

[River Don]

Just imagine BB,

You could admit your man is flawed. I'm not asking you to change your political beliefs. You could just accept he's not perfect, it's staring you in the face.

It might be easier to argue that his failures can be forgiven because he makes up for it in other ways. I don't want to lead the witness but that's the line some Tory MPs are taking.

I've said Johnson has made mistakes, and of course, he's flawed. It is probably his buffoonish persona that has got him to be PM. But I'm f**ked if I'm gonna join BST & co's constant abuse of him and the Tory party, especially when BST's blatant one-sided biasedness takes him to new heights of hypocrisy like it has on this thread.

Now, to put the record straight, Johnson is not 'my man', and I would only vote for him if the only alternative was Labour.

Alright accepted. So in this case, has he done wrong?

[Bentley Bullet]

He's been found guilty of doing wrong. Just suppose, though, he wasn't found guilty? Would BST and co have apologised for the false accusations? More to the point, do you think BST and co would say the judgement was wrong, and Johnson was guilty anyway?

I think the latter, don't you?

[wilts rover]

There are posters on this forum who have never criticised Johnson and never will, whatever he does. What they will do is attack the people who do point out his lying and hypocracy.

Just like the right wing press who, 2 weeks ago, said that people weren't interested in parties and we should concentrate on thigs that really matter like the war in Ukraine and the cost of living crises. I said before there is no way they will let Labour into power, however moderate and boring the leader and his policies are. Because they will have to stop avoiding paying their taxes.

Thats how fascism started and thats how it has worked throught the ages.

No point arguing with them. Call them out - then ignore them.

Wilts, just out of curiosity, who do have on the list of posters who have never criticised Johnson.

It's a short list hound. You aren't on it.

[River Don]

Yes, he's been found guilty of doing wrong BB.

But do you accept that decision?

Think on.... You could be a reasonable person now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.
I've said several times in this thread that if Starmer is found to have broken the law, I think he should resign.

Yet you obsess about me being a partisan hypocrite.

You flag up a pointless hypothesis about what you think I would or would not have done in some parallel universe.

What you don't, ever do, is to consider how and why I form my opinions.

I don't accuse Johnson of being an amoral liar because he is a Tory. I accuse him of being  an amoral liar because all his life he has been an amoral liar.

Now, you could accept that that is my approach and engage on the substance of what I say.

Or, you could continue doing what you have done for years - decide that everything I say comes from a position of hypocritical bad faith, and insist on taking ludicrous positions and driving idiotic arguments to match them.

Your call.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes, he's been found guilty of doing wrong BB.

But do you accept that decision?

Think on.... You could be a reasonable person now.

Of course I accept the decision, just like Boris Johnson does.

I don't want to be a reasonable person in your, or anyone else's eyes if it means me joining the campaign of hate against everything I didn't vote for, just because I lost.

[ravenrover]

BST

Johnson lied to the house IN YOUR OPINION. Why should he resign just because a politically twisted and biased person like you says he should?

Starmer shouldn't even wait for a verdict, after all, he argued that being under investigation alone is grounds for Boris Johnson's resignation, so why hasn't he resigned?

BB Johnson was asked directly were there any parties his answer was no.
This was later changed to he was not aware of any parties but that all rules had been followed at all times
The Met have decided differently and issued him with a FPN so does that not mean that he did in fact mislead/lie to the house?

No

So Johnson was fined for attending an actual party as deemed illegal by The Met interpreting his own Govt rules, yet having said there were no parties in the House he didn't mislead/lie to the House? Fraid you've lost me on that one even with your interpretation of the English language

BB?

[River Don]

Yes, he's been found guilty of doing wrong BB.

But do you accept that decision?

Think on.... You could be a reasonable person now.

Of course I accept the decision, just like Boris Johnson does.

I don't want to be a reasonable person in your, or anyone else's eyes if it means me joining the campaign of hate against everything I didn't vote for, just because I lost.

BB, if you could just be a bit more critical of your own side, you might be bearable.

They aren't perfect you know? Nothing in life is perfect. People are farfrom being perfect.

The human condition is fundamentally imperfect. We just make best guesses.

[drfchound]

Yes, he's been found guilty of doing wrong BB.

But do you accept that decision?

Think on.... You could be a reasonable person now.

Of course I accept the decision, just like Boris Johnson does.

I don't want to be a reasonable person in your, or anyone else's eyes if it means me joining the campaign of hate against everything I didn't vote for, just because I lost.

BB, if you could just be a bit more critical of your own side, you might be bearable.

They aren't perfect you know? Nothing in life is perfect. People are farfrom being perfect.

The human condition is fundamentally imperfect. We just make best guesses.

You know what RD.  There are quite a few Labour supporters on here who are extremely partisan in their undying love of the Labour Party.
So partisan in fact that many of them will not accept any criticism of the LP.
Maybe they should listen to your words of reasoning.
I had to laugh at a recent post by bst which accused BB of being politically biased.

[Colemans Left Hook]

No RD, just about every subject regarding politics and the Tory party involves BST talking about their lack of honesty and integrity. That includes this one.

He's a fake.

What cracks me up is "the said person" does so much posting on here in a normal persons "working hours" performing extra curricula activities in working hours (a.k.a. delivering sermons) could also be interpreted as "fraud"

[River Don]

No RD, just about every subject regarding politics and the Tory party involves BST talking about their lack of honesty and integrity. That includes this one.

He's a fake.

What cracks me up is "the said person" does so much posting on here in a normal persons "working hours" performing extra curricula activities in working hours (a.k.a. delivering sermons) could also be interpreted as "fraud"

I think you'd struggle with that one.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No RD, just about every subject regarding politics and the Tory party involves BST talking about their lack of honesty and integrity. That includes this one.

He's a fake.

What cracks me up is "the said person" does so much posting on here in a normal persons "working hours" performing extra curricula activities in working hours (a.k.a. delivering sermons) could also be interpreted as "fraud"

Aye. Like you have any idea of the hours I work.

[SydneyRover]

in breaking news the mail has announced they are very close to identifying the alleged bottle that Starmer drank from and have sent several hundred thousand for forensic examination, fingerprinting and thermoluminescence dating to determine:

The exact size 275 or 330ml, alcohol content, where it was brewed and hopefully how long it took from opening to empty and most importantly whether they can determine if anything was discussed about the business of the day while it was being consumed.

surprisingly spokes for the tories on a fourth tier football forum are saying that there are more important things to be getting on with at the moment ....

[bpoolrover]

if the mail is right that it was pre planned and yes it's a if, he has to resign, let's be honest most people would class having a beer and a curry as a social gathering

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yeah, you've answered a different question there BB.

You've just come up against the stock-in-trade response. Enjoy the BB experience.