Should Starmer Resign?

[Bentley Bullet]

That's your summary of it, and as per usual it's as bent and twisted as your usual summaries.

When someone only takes a view that one side can do no wrong and the other can do no right, it's very, VERY likely it will be a very, VERY biased and twisted summary.

[River Don]

It's a brilliant move, so brilliant, in fact, it's made me wonder who's idea it was.

Yes, I'll be very surprised if the Durham police decide to force the Leader of the Labour party to resign. 

Particularly if he hasn't done anything wrong.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'm just waiting for the useful idiots to start claiming that the only reason Boris refused to say he'd go was so to not pressure the Met.

[Ldr]

Let's just summarise what a few folk are contorting themselves into claiming.

Boris Johnson refuses to resign after breaking his own law and either lied about it or was too thick to realise that his wife and the designer of her gold wallpaper coming into his office to party meant he was breaking the law. And that's fine.

Keir Starmer says he will resign if it is found that he broke the law. And that is an affront to legal process and he's a devious, scheming Kitson.

I think that summarises where we have got to.

Anyone else worried about the future of democracy?

No it’s not fine? Johnson should have already gone

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's your summary of it, and as per usual it's as bent and twisted as your usual summaries.

When someone only takes a view that one side can do no wrong and the other can do no right, it's very, VERY likely it will be a very, VERY biased and twisted summary.

Explain which part of my post you disagree with and we might be ge...

Sorry. How stupid of me to ignore a decade of BB dicking about like this. Of COURSE he's not going to explain which bit he disagrees with. Because he can't do that without looking an utter tit. So he plays the man, not the ball.

Over and over and over again.

[Ldr]

I'm just waiting for the useful idiots to start claiming that the only reason Boris refused to say he'd go was so to not pressure the Met.

He’s just a corrupt coward Glyn

[BillyStubbsTears]

Let's just summarise what a few folk are contorting themselves into claiming.

Boris Johnson refuses to resign after breaking his own law and either lied about it or was too thick to realise that his wife and the designer of her gold wallpaper coming into his office to party meant he was breaking the law. And that's fine.

Keir Starmer says he will resign if it is found that he broke the law. And that is an affront to legal process and he's a devious, scheming Kitson.

I think that summarises where we have got to.

Anyone else worried about the future of democracy?

No it’s not fine? Johnson should have already gone

Well that puts you slightly ahead of BB.

So, if Johnson SHOULD have gone (and of course WILL be dispensed with by the Tories because of this, as soon as it's convenient) the Met clearly weren't concerned by the pressure that was implicitly on them. Indeed, EXPLICITLY on them, since one Cabinet Minister publicly said that they needed to apply a higher standard of proof because they were dealing with the future of the PM.

What evidence is there that the Durham Police won't be equally robust?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'm just waiting for the useful idiots to start claiming that the only reason Boris refused to say he'd go was so to not pressure the Met.

He’s just a corrupt coward Glyn

I know that, you know that, but I'm sure the useful idiots will try make out his cravenness is actually an indicator of his integrity!

[Ldr]

Let's just summarise what a few folk are contorting themselves into claiming.

Boris Johnson refuses to resign after breaking his own law and either lied about it or was too thick to realise that his wife and the designer of her gold wallpaper coming into his office to party meant he was breaking the law. And that's fine.

Keir Starmer says he will resign if it is found that he broke the law. And that is an affront to legal process and he's a devious, scheming Kitson.

I think that summarises where we have got to.

Anyone else worried about the future of democracy?

No it’s not fine? Johnson should have already gone

Well that puts you slightly ahead of BB.

So, if Johnson SHOULD have gone (and of course WILL be dispensed with by the Tories because of this, as soon as it's convenient) the Met clearly weren't concerned by the pressure that was implicitly on them. Indeed, EXPLICITLY on them, since one Cabinet Minister publicly said that they needed to apply a higher standard of proof because they were dealing with the future of the PM.

What evidence is there that the Durham Police won't be equally robust?

None, but that’s irrelevant to him putting out that statement, it’s an absolutely fantastic tactic and I have to applaud. If (and likely when) he is exonerated he can say how honourable he is whilst subtly increasing the pressure on the police with brinksmanship over resigning. Sometimes you just have to salute across the ideological divide.

And just cos I can say it again, Boris must go

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.

Why is it a brilliant tactic? Folk in here, and Tory ministers  are already preparing the ground for rejecting an acquittal, on the grounds that Starmer put pressure on the police. Those who are convinced Starmer is guilty won't be any less convinced that he's guilty if he's found not to be guilty.

This is the world we now live in. Choose your alternative truth.

[Ldr]

I never said flawless, but it’s brilliant for him staying in post. People will generally think what they have always thought. Human nature, not many of us can shift positions massively. Makes me think of an in game advert in GTA V for their parody for Fox News (weasel news) where the tagline is “confirming your prejudices”

[River Don]

I'm not sure it was a brilliant tactic. It was the only option left open to him to close down the negative headlines and get back on the front foot. He's a cautious sort of bloke, so he won't have taken a gamble like this lightly.

[Bentley Bullet]

It's a brilliant move, so brilliant, in fact, it's made me wonder who's idea it was.

Yes, I'll be very surprised if the Durham police decide to force the Leader of the Labour party to resign. 

Particularly if he hasn't done anything wrong.

Why would they do that?

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way. Anyone heard of Hikegate yet? Apparently Ed Davey drove 75 miles to go hiking during the first lockdown. Absolutely disgusting and he should resign immediately.

In a poll this week, 20% of people said they'd heard a lot about it in the media.

Except...the pollsters made it up. As a check to see how people would respond. I think we've just seen the future. Anyone who believes in lies can be filtered out and excluded from the Electoral Roll.

[selby]

  How many Coppers vote Labour do you think? especially in the top jobs.
 And it is a right chance to make a right name for themselves, showing that whoever you are, if you break the law you will be held to account.  Also a great chance to enhance their after dinner speeches when in retirement, How I brought down the opposition.
  You would wouldn't you.

[Ldr]

Highlights a major flaw in society Billy, the media has pretty much been omnipresent in peoples lives that a majority believe without question. 1984 is here

[Bentley Bullet]

That's your summary of it, and as per usual it's as bent and twisted as your usual summaries.

When someone only takes a view that one side can do no wrong and the other can do no right, it's very, VERY likely it will be a very, VERY biased and twisted summary.

Explain which part of my post you disagree with and we might be ge...

Sorry. How stupid of me to ignore a decade of BB dicking about like this. Of COURSE he's not going to explain which bit he disagrees with. Because he can't do that without looking an utter tit. So he plays the man, not the ball.

Over and over and over again.

OK, let's see if we can get you to change the habit of a lifetime and actually explain which part of MY post you disagree with, instead of just blurting out your usual shit.

[Bentley Bullet]

I see one of the Tory MPs , instrumental in getting the Durham police to re open Beergate, tweeted he was hinself sat down at a Curry lunch the very next  day after Beergate with other MPs visiting the Ghurka Regiment but they only drank orange juice so that's alright then. Must be why The Mail didn't pick up on that one..... mmm it smells like it, looks like it ..... thoughts on that one BB?

I don't read the Mail so I'll have to take your word for that.

My thoughts? I think whether he was drinking alcohol or not is trivial. I think the whole episodes of Partygate and Beergate should never have been exploited for political gain or points scoring. I think people in working environments were eating and drinking together all over the country.

[ravenrover]

As I said, on his own twitter account not picked up by The Mail , fancy that.
So why should Starmer resign then in a working environment meal?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see one of the Tory MPs , instrumental in getting the Durham police to re open Beergate, tweeted he was hinself sat down at a Curry lunch the very next  day after Beergate with other MPs visiting the Ghurka Regiment but they only drank orange juice so that's alright then. Must be why The Mail didn't pick up on that one..... mmm it smells like it, looks like it ..... thoughts on that one BB?

I don't read the Mail so I'll have to take your word for that.

My thoughts? I think whether he was drinking alcohol or not is trivial. I think the whole episodes of Partygate and Beergate should never have been exploited for political gain or points scoring. I think people in working environments were eating and drinking together all over the country.

I'll translate.

"I don't think politicians should ever be held to account for wilfully breaking rules. I'm going to stick to the Tory line that the events at No10 were only ever "working environment" food an drink. I'm going to ignore the fact that Johnson's wife and interior decorator were fined for their presence at one event (because, hey! Obviously a designer of gold wallpaper being present in the Cabinet Office is essential for work purposes). I'm going to ignore the hire of a karaoke machine for another No10 event, (because, hey! Who didn't have karaoke parties at work during lockdown?) I'm going to ignore that fact that for one event, 100 people who weren't working at No10 were invited to No10 for a party with the advice that they BYOB. (Because, hey! Who didn't take a four pack to someone else's office for a piss up during lockdown?). And by ignoring all this, I can let Johnson off the hook by convincing myself that what happened at No10 was no different to what was happening up and down the country. And I'll top it off by saying that Starmer is a hypocrite. Because that's what I do."

[SydneyRover]

I see one of the Tory MPs , instrumental in getting the Durham police to re open Beergate, tweeted he was hinself sat down at a Curry lunch the very next  day after Beergate with other MPs visiting the Ghurka Regiment but they only drank orange juice so that's alright then. Must be why The Mail didn't pick up on that one..... mmm it smells like it, looks like it ..... thoughts on that one BB?

I don't read the Mail so I'll have to take your word for that.

My thoughts? I think whether he was drinking alcohol or not is trivial. I think the whole episodes of Partygate and Beergate should never have been exploited for political gain or points scoring. I think people in working environments were eating and drinking together all over the country.

You should, in fact with your logic and blind loyalty to the tory party you could write copy for them.

[Bentley Bullet]

As I said, on his own twitter account not picked up by The Mail , fancy that.
So why should Starmer resign then in a working environment meal?

I'm a bit of a 'face' on Facebook. Are you considered similarly on Twitter?
I never said Starmer should resign for Beergate. If he were to resign it should be for being a hypocrite.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But he isn't a hypocrite.

[ravenrover]

I see one of the Tory MPs , instrumental in getting the Durham police to re open Beergate, tweeted he was hinself sat down at a Curry lunch the very next  day after Beergate with other MPs visiting the Ghurka Regiment but they only drank orange juice so that's alright then. Must be why The Mail didn't pick up on that one..... mmm it smells like it, looks like it ..... thoughts on that one BB?

I don't read the Mail so I'll have to take your word for that.

My thoughts? I think whether he was drinking alcohol or not is trivial. I think the whole episodes of Partygate and Beergate should never have been exploited for political gain or points scoring. I think people in working environments were eating and drinking together all over the country.

I'll translate.

"I don't think politicians should ever be held to account for wilfully breaking rules. I'm going to stick to the Tory line that the events at No10 were only ever "working environment" food an drink. I'm going to ignore the fact that Johnson's wife and interior decorator were fined for their presence at one event (because, hey! Obviously a designer of gold wallpaper being present in the Cabinet Office is essential for work purposes). I'm going to ignore the hire of a karaoke machine for another No10 event, (because, hey! Who didn't have karaoke parties at work during lockdown?) I'm going to ignore that fact that for one event, 100 people who weren't working at No10 were invited to No10 for a party with the advice that they BYOB. (Because, hey! Who didn't take a four pack to someone else's office for a piss up during lockdown?). And by ignoring all this, I can let Johnson off the hook by convincing myself that what happened at No10 was no different to what was happening up and down the country. And I'll top it off by saying that Starmer is a hypocrite. Because that's what I do."

BsT you forgot always take your carryouts in a suitcase

[ravenrover]

As I said, on his own twitter account not picked up by The Mail , fancy that.
So why should Starmer resign then in a working environment meal?

I'm a bit of a 'face' on Facebook. Are you considered similarly on Twitter?
I never said Starmer should resign for Beergate. If he were to resign it should be for being a hypocrite.

But a hypocrite over what? He said Johnson should resign for misleading the house .
But I suppose we are back to your interpretation of the English language again

[Bentley Bullet]

But he isn't a hypocrite.

Oh, he is Billy lad, he most certainly is. But don't just take my word for it, ask some other honest and principled people what they think, if you know any.

[BillyStubbsTears]

There's BB in action again. When logical argument fails, resort to the ad hominem.

[Glyn_Wigley]

There's BB inaction again. When logical argument fails, resort to the ad hominem.

Fixed for you. 

[Bentley Bullet]

There's BB in action again. When logical argument fails, resort to the ad hominem.

Well, stop being the cause of its failure then! 

[Bentley Bullet]

There's BB inaction again. When logical argument fails, resort to the ad hominem.

Fixed for you. 

Ooh, the sophistication! Another superb example of woeful wiggerlyism!