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Branton You make a long list again that misses my point.My point being that literally no-one said before the vote that leaving with no deal should be our chosen policy. When the Remain side said that was a possibility, they were shouted down as Project Fear. Yet within days of the vote, a prominent Leave campaigner, Richard Rice, said we should aim for that. Within months Govt policy was to throw that in the table as something we could accept that as a position. By 2019, we had Parliament closed down specifically so the Govt could embrace it, despite a deal being clearly available.My point is that this demolishes the argument that what was said in the campaign in any way tied the hands of anyone after the vote. Either legally or morally. What we did after the vote was a matter of political choice. You accept that because it was the outcome you wanted. Don't try to claim it was inevitable.
Quote from: Branton Red on June 18, 2022, 09:56:13 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 15, 2022, 10:39:22 pm"Branton Red still ignores Leave.EU printed campaign manifesto double shocker!"Published in Jan 2016; dumped in Feb 2016 when Grassroots Out manifesto superceded on it; never campaigned on by any leading figure - certainly not during the official campaign period.Think it deserves ignoring.Still not found any evidence for anyone saying a leave vote didn't necessarily involve leaving the SM during the Brexit campaign? Your argument is dead in the waterGreenshoots Out was a completely separate organisation: anything they published could not supercede anything published by another organisation.Leave.EU's manifesto was not withdrawn, it was still extant during the whole campaign........
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 15, 2022, 10:39:22 pm"Branton Red still ignores Leave.EU printed campaign manifesto double shocker!"Published in Jan 2016; dumped in Feb 2016 when Grassroots Out manifesto superceded on it; never campaigned on by any leading figure - certainly not during the official campaign period.Think it deserves ignoring.Still not found any evidence for anyone saying a leave vote didn't necessarily involve leaving the SM during the Brexit campaign? Your argument is dead in the water
"Branton Red still ignores Leave.EU printed campaign manifesto double shocker!"
Point being (at the risk of someone once again accusing me of being condescending for saying it, because it really ought o be bleeding obvious) Branton's insistence that leaving the SM and CU was non-negotiably decided once we voted to Leave, and there was no way that could possibly be entertained as an option is not just wrong in principle - we actually DID leave a part of the UK in the SM and CU!
Can’t be true tyke, they wouldn’t announce a policy plan this far ahead of a GE.
The Labour Party have announced through David Lammy they will not seek to rejoin the SM or Euro bloc as of half n hour ago .
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 23, 2022, 08:27:32 pm The Labour Party have announced through David Lammy they will not seek to rejoin the SM or Euro bloc as of half n hour ago .Is there more to it than this? Doesn't seem to amount to much.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/23/labour-unveil-plans-to-seek-limited-changes-to-brexit-deal
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on June 23, 2022, 11:05:24 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 23, 2022, 08:27:32 pm The Labour Party have announced through David Lammy they will not seek to rejoin the SM or Euro bloc as of half n hour ago .Is there more to it than this? Doesn't seem to amount to much.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/23/labour-unveil-plans-to-seek-limited-changes-to-brexit-dealThoughts and prayers to BST
So in effect your thinking is.I want a Labour government installed in 2024,They will not be able to enact any policy that will reverse your belief that leaving the SM and CU had created.They will need over a decade to undo all the polices in place that the Tories have implemented and bring forward coherent and workable policies that will enable this country to decide that being back in the SM and CU is worth the effort.Why would we be voting for another decade and more of regurgitated upheaval after this last one, that MAY put us in a position we were last in two decades ago?Is this going to be your selling point going forwards, are you expecting the country to vote for that!!
Quote from: danumdon on June 24, 2022, 12:34:15 pmSo in effect your thinking is.I want a Labour government installed in 2024,They will not be able to enact any policy that will reverse your belief that leaving the SM and CU had created.They will need over a decade to undo all the polices in place that the Tories have implemented and bring forward coherent and workable policies that will enable this country to decide that being back in the SM and CU is worth the effort.Why would we be voting for another decade and more of regurgitated upheaval after this last one, that MAY put us in a position we were last in two decades ago?Is this going to be your selling point going forwards, are you expecting the country to vote for that!!Do you think Labour should campaign to reverse Brexit DD? Or do you agree with their current position to honour the Brexit vote?