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Reality is if anyone feels that they are at risk of potentially ending up in hospital or worse I certainly wouldn’t be going to a stadium crowd of 5/6k people rather than moaning at someone for not wearing a mask on a concourse despite the fact people won’t be to eat/drink anyway.
Anyone who hasn't had Covid (which is now a mild cold for most) will get it at some point. It is inevitable. Anyone who doesn't want to accept this and wants to wear a mask forever, no problems. Just stop having a pop at others who don't want to do this and then play the old 'you don't care about others card', which is frankly pathetic.I do care about others. I just don't want to wear a mask or be told to by busy bodies. Sorry but some have had 2 years of this bullshit. Being forced to wear useless face coverings and if they don't they somehow want people to die. Enough. Over 50% of people who are in there due to non Covid reasons actually contract Covid IN HOSPITAL. Hospitals are clinical settings and one of the few places where literally everyone has to wear a mask, and yet Covid spread is rife, and someone thinks wearing them in the West Stand concourse makes any difference! Astonishing really.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 08:58:43 amAnyone who hasn't had Covid (which is now a mild cold for most) will get it at some point. It is inevitable. Anyone who doesn't want to accept this and wants to wear a mask forever, no problems. Just stop having a pop at others who don't want to do this and then play the old 'you don't care about others card', which is frankly pathetic.I do care about others. I just don't want to wear a mask or be told to by busy bodies. Sorry but some have had 2 years of this bullshit. Being forced to wear useless face coverings and if they don't they somehow want people to die. Enough. Over 50% of people who are in there due to non Covid reasons actually contract Covid IN HOSPITAL. Hospitals are clinical settings and one of the few places where literally everyone has to wear a mask, and yet Covid spread is rife, and someone thinks wearing them in the West Stand concourse makes any difference! Astonishing really.A mild cold??? What about the daily average deaths this month over 200 per day, not a nice quote to the families of loved ones who they have lost, very insensitive thing to say
Quote from: Upton Rover on January 17, 2022, 04:48:52 pmQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 08:58:43 amAnyone who hasn't had Covid (which is now a mild cold for most) will get it at some point. It is inevitable. Anyone who doesn't want to accept this and wants to wear a mask forever, no problems. Just stop having a pop at others who don't want to do this and then play the old 'you don't care about others card', which is frankly pathetic.I do care about others. I just don't want to wear a mask or be told to by busy bodies. Sorry but some have had 2 years of this bullshit. Being forced to wear useless face coverings and if they don't they somehow want people to die. Enough. Over 50% of people who are in there due to non Covid reasons actually contract Covid IN HOSPITAL. Hospitals are clinical settings and one of the few places where literally everyone has to wear a mask, and yet Covid spread is rife, and someone thinks wearing them in the West Stand concourse makes any difference! Astonishing really.A mild cold??? What about the daily average deaths this month over 200 per day, not a nice quote to the families of loved ones who they have lost, very insensitive thing to sayAllegedly. I did say a mild cold for most. Which is the truth. Unlike the actual numbers who have died as a direct result of Covid and which you are quoting.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 04:54:42 pmQuote from: Upton Rover on January 17, 2022, 04:48:52 pmQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 08:58:43 amAnyone who hasn't had Covid (which is now a mild cold for most) will get it at some point. It is inevitable. Anyone who doesn't want to accept this and wants to wear a mask forever, no problems. Just stop having a pop at others who don't want to do this and then play the old 'you don't care about others card', which is frankly pathetic.I do care about others. I just don't want to wear a mask or be told to by busy bodies. Sorry but some have had 2 years of this bullshit. Being forced to wear useless face coverings and if they don't they somehow want people to die. Enough. Over 50% of people who are in there due to non Covid reasons actually contract Covid IN HOSPITAL. Hospitals are clinical settings and one of the few places where literally everyone has to wear a mask, and yet Covid spread is rife, and someone thinks wearing them in the West Stand concourse makes any difference! Astonishing really.A mild cold??? What about the daily average deaths this month over 200 per day, not a nice quote to the families of loved ones who they have lost, very insensitive thing to sayAllegedly. I did say a mild cold for most. Which is the truth. Unlike the actual numbers who have died as a direct result of Covid and which you are quoting.I can’t recall that we have ever had 200 deaths a day with a mild cold, but you know it all, you are talking utter shite and very offensive to people who have lost loved ones
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 08:58:43 amAnyone who hasn't had Covid (which is now a mild cold for most) will get it at some point. It is inevitable. Anyone who doesn't want to accept this and wants to wear a mask forever, no problems. Just stop having a pop at others who don't want to do this and then play the old 'you don't care about others card', which is frankly pathetic.I do care about others. I just don't want to wear a mask or be told to by Sorry but some have had 2 years of this bullshit. Being forced to wear useless face coverings and if they don't they somehow want people to die. Enough. Over 50% of people who are in there due to non Covid reasons actually contract Covid IN HOSPITAL. Hospitals are clinical settings and one of the few places where literally everyone has to wear a mask, and yet Covid spread is rife, and someone thinks wearing them in the West Stand concourse makes any difference! Astonishing really.A mild cold??? What about the daily average deaths this month over 200 per day, not a nice quote to the families of loved ones who they have lost, very insensitive thing to say
Anyone who hasn't had Covid (which is now a mild cold for most) will get it at some point. It is inevitable. Anyone who doesn't want to accept this and wants to wear a mask forever, no problems. Just stop having a pop at others who don't want to do this and then play the old 'you don't care about others card', which is frankly pathetic.I do care about others. I just don't want to wear a mask or be told to by Sorry but some have had 2 years of this bullshit. Being forced to wear useless face coverings and if they don't they somehow want people to die. Enough. Over 50% of people who are in there due to non Covid reasons actually contract Covid IN HOSPITAL. Hospitals are clinical settings and one of the few places where literally everyone has to wear a mask, and yet Covid spread is rife, and someone thinks wearing them in the West Stand concourse makes any difference! Astonishing really.
How many times? It is a mild illness FOR MOST PEOPLE. This means that SOME people can get really ill but MOST don't. I have sympathy for your son. I have a post viral illness that has destroyed my life for the last 12 years or so, with no help from the NHS or anyone. Had to pack in my career and can't go on holiday abroad anymore as i can't get insurance and it is too risky. Couldn't do much with my kid growing up as was housebound for months. Endless chronic fatigue, neurological problems digestive disorder. Going to a Rovers match these days needs to be planned in detail and i need to prepare due to my illness. I didn't have the general public busting a gut to help me out or their sympathy. In fact my illness is even derided by many GP's. Primarily because they have no idea how to treat it but don't want to admit it. I got this in my late 20's and have it for life with no idea if it will get worse. Any virus can trigger these syndromes that many people never fully recover from, but it is only because of Covid that people now seem to know about them. People have been suffering in silence for years. People have been getting post viral syndromes for years that has decimated their lives but have had to put up with it in silence and with no help from anyone. I hope your lad is accessing the help and support he needs. Unfortunately I couldn't.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 09:28:46 amQuote from: Goole Rover on January 17, 2022, 09:24:52 amQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 08:37:39 amNot everyone wishes to comply with a ridiculous law either. Best get used to it. Rightly or wrongly. If you are spending your half time break counting the number of people without masks, perhaps start questioning if your fear is rational to begin with. If Boris said tomorrow, masks are no longer required, many people will stop wearing them. Mad. How the heck can you question Wolfe when you recently wrote twenty odd paragraphs of rubbish.And the relevance to this topic is?Sorry having a bad morning my National Grid Shares are down 2p I’m now down two thousand notes.
Quote from: Goole Rover on January 17, 2022, 09:24:52 amQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 08:37:39 amNot everyone wishes to comply with a ridiculous law either. Best get used to it. Rightly or wrongly. If you are spending your half time break counting the number of people without masks, perhaps start questioning if your fear is rational to begin with. If Boris said tomorrow, masks are no longer required, many people will stop wearing them. Mad. How the heck can you question Wolfe when you recently wrote twenty odd paragraphs of rubbish.And the relevance to this topic is?
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 08:37:39 amNot everyone wishes to comply with a ridiculous law either. Best get used to it. Rightly or wrongly. If you are spending your half time break counting the number of people without masks, perhaps start questioning if your fear is rational to begin with. If Boris said tomorrow, masks are no longer required, many people will stop wearing them. Mad. How the heck can you question Wolfe when you recently wrote twenty odd paragraphs of rubbish.
Not everyone wishes to comply with a ridiculous law either. Best get used to it. Rightly or wrongly. If you are spending your half time break counting the number of people without masks, perhaps start questioning if your fear is rational to begin with. If Boris said tomorrow, masks are no longer required, many people will stop wearing them. Mad.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 07:33:56 pmHow many times? It is a mild illness FOR MOST PEOPLE. This means that SOME people can get really ill but MOST don't. I have sympathy for your son. I have a post viral illness that has destroyed my life for the last 12 years or so, with no help from the NHS or anyone. Had to pack in my career and can't go on holiday abroad anymore as i can't get insurance and it is too risky. Couldn't do much with my kid growing up as was housebound for months. Endless chronic fatigue, neurological problems digestive disorder. Going to a Rovers match these days needs to be planned in detail and i need to prepare due to my illness. I didn't have the general public busting a gut to help me out or their sympathy. In fact my illness is even derided by many GP's. Primarily because they have no idea how to treat it but don't want to admit it. I got this in my late 20's and have it for life with no idea if it will get worse. Any virus can trigger these syndromes that many people never fully recover from, but it is only because of Covid that people now seem to know about them. People have been suffering in silence for years. People have been getting post viral syndromes for years that has decimated their lives but have had to put up with it in silence and with no help from anyone. I hope your lad is accessing the help and support he needs. Unfortunately I couldn't.Thank you CDH for your concern and wishes. I hope genuinely hope that things improve you.
Yes i agree. Thanks GR and i wish you and yours all the best. Apologies for appearing to belittle people's individual experiences.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 17, 2022, 09:45:12 pmYes i agree. Thanks GR and i wish you and yours all the best. Apologies for appearing to belittle people's individual experiences. Is that not the crux of your ‘argument’ CDH?You DO ‘belittle’ (your words) other peoples ‘individual experiences’ i.e., their own underlying conditions that this pandemic, despite all my/their efforts to ‘beat it’ can be THE bloody thing that ‘takes us’ from our loved ones.I won’t list my particular condition or the effect it has had neurological on my life since 1993 & took a further six years without any medication meantime, to diagnose.So I do know where your coming from CDH, i just struggle to understand when I tell you that this virus could ‘do for me’ that your reaction is “I didn’t have the general public busting a gut for me”.It’s clear that we’re both on, to use the old catchphrase which I abhor but can’t bring a better one to mind this time of evening, on ‘borrowed time’ due to rare conditions that are (because we have to live with them daily so know only too well) progressive & ever more debilitating, conditions that in my own case are a ‘hidden disability’ so is it too much to ask for a fellow Rovers supporter (let’s put supermarkets & other public places to one side for a moment) to don a mask? And in doing, so at the risk of sounding melodramatic, maybe give me a few more years with my grandchildren?I’ve posted similar today, I can’t be arsed to go back & look where (it may well be on this very topic) & said I can’t say much more. Well you have prompted me, for better or for worse, to do so.I’ve ‘shone a light’ on my own circumstances in a way that I would never, ever have thought I would on a public forum but your comments made me feel that you needed to hear (& crikey if GR’s comments can’t resonate with you then I’ve wasted 20 minutes of my own life!) that the anger & frustration you feel at the ‘bad hand’ you’ve been dealt health wise isn’t so uncommon.So let’s not our horizons be restricted because of our own health issues, let’s be bigger, kinder, stronger than that & the next time you go for a pee without wearing a mask, see if the bloke standing a good metre away is. It might just be me.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on January 17, 2022, 08:41:17 amNot everyone wants to be put at risk by thaughtlles individuals who don't give sh1t about their fellow supporters!Stay at home then if you are that concerned
Not everyone wants to be put at risk by thaughtlles individuals who don't give sh1t about their fellow supporters!
Quote from: KingKendrick on January 17, 2022, 01:21:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on January 17, 2022, 08:41:17 amNot everyone wants to be put at risk by thaughtlles individuals who don't give sh1t about their fellow supporters!Stay at home then if you are that concerned So because others put themselves first and don’t have a social conscience those who abide and take a more utilitarian approach to life have to stay at home. Your opinion is reflective of everything that’s wrong with this self serving, parasitic society.
Quote from: aidanstu on January 18, 2022, 09:22:37 amQuote from: KingKendrick on January 17, 2022, 01:21:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on January 17, 2022, 08:41:17 amNot everyone wants to be put at risk by thaughtlles individuals who don't give sh1t about their fellow supporters!Stay at home then if you are that concerned So because others put themselves first and don’t have a social conscience those who abide and take a more utilitarian approach to life have to stay at home. Your opinion is reflective of everything that’s wrong with this self serving, parasitic society.There are lots of different individual reasons why some people won't comply with measures aidanstu or choose not to get vaccinated other than them being selfish or parasitic and a lack of acknowledgement and understanding of these reasons only serves to increase further resistance in this cohort. Although i do see where you are coming from. I just think it is very sad and very concerning that we seem to have reached a point in human existence where someone exercising their human right to make their own decisions, so long as they are legal, are subjected to a relentless mob mentality by the majority of society. Until they submit. You do make a reasonable point but reading between the lines, KK has also made a point that needs to be discussed.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 18, 2022, 09:29:49 amQuote from: aidanstu on January 18, 2022, 09:22:37 amQuote from: KingKendrick on January 17, 2022, 01:21:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on January 17, 2022, 08:41:17 amNot everyone wants to be put at risk by thaughtlles individuals who don't give sh1t about their fellow supporters!Stay at home then if you are that concerned So because others put themselves first and don’t have a social conscience those who abide and take a more utilitarian approach to life have to stay at home. Your opinion is reflective of everything that’s wrong with this self serving, parasitic society.There are lots of different individual reasons why some people won't comply with measures aidanstu or choose not to get vaccinated other than them being selfish or parasitic and a lack of acknowledgement and understanding of these reasons only serves to increase further resistance in this cohort. Although i do see where you are coming from. I just think it is very sad and very concerning that we seem to have reached a point in human existence where someone exercising their human right to make their own decisions, so long as they are legal, are subjected to a relentless mob mentality by the majority of society. Until they submit. You do make a reasonable point but reading between the lines, KK has also made a point that needs to be discussed. I’m not suggesting that those who are exempt should wear masks but we all know people, the type I’m talking about, that simply choose not to wear masks because they can’t be arsed, want all the rights and no responsibility.The science clearly says we should be wearing masks and it’s a minor inconvenience to help protect the vulnerable. I don’t understand the mentality which opposes this view. I’d wear one for the rest of my life if it meant that I got to spend more time with loved ones that had died from the condition.
Well my Survey came and I noted large number of people NOT wearing masks and the fact that this was at odds with COVID compliance. Also mentioned the Flares brought in by away fans which are in contravention of Ground Rules I think and which did not affect me directly but may encourage others to do it
Some people rather make people stay at home than wear a mask for 30 seconds. Ridiculous.
CDH not going on holiday abroad because of insurance you forgot to add no Covid Passport or testing :-))
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on January 18, 2022, 10:27:34 amSome people rather make people stay at home than wear a mask for 30 seconds. Ridiculous. 'Make' people stay at home? Oh what power the maskless wield.
Quote from: aidanstu on January 18, 2022, 09:35:56 amQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 18, 2022, 09:29:49 amQuote from: aidanstu on January 18, 2022, 09:22:37 amQuote from: KingKendrick on January 17, 2022, 01:21:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on January 17, 2022, 08:41:17 amNot everyone wants to be put at risk by thaughtlles individuals who don't give sh1t about their fellow supporters!Stay at home then if you are that concerned So because others put themselves first and don’t have a social conscience those who abide and take a more utilitarian approach to life have to stay at home. Your opinion is reflective of everything that’s wrong with this self serving, parasitic society.There are lots of different individual reasons why some people won't comply with measures aidanstu or choose not to get vaccinated other than them being selfish or parasitic and a lack of acknowledgement and understanding of these reasons only serves to increase further resistance in this cohort. Although i do see where you are coming from. I just think it is very sad and very concerning that we seem to have reached a point in human existence where someone exercising their human right to make their own decisions, so long as they are legal, are subjected to a relentless mob mentality by the majority of society. Until they submit. You do make a reasonable point but reading between the lines, KK has also made a point that needs to be discussed. I’m not suggesting that those who are exempt should wear masks but we all know people, the type I’m talking about, that simply choose not to wear masks because they can’t be arsed, want all the rights and no responsibility.The science clearly says we should be wearing masks and it’s a minor inconvenience to help protect the vulnerable. I don’t understand the mentality which opposes this view. I’d wear one for the rest of my life if it meant that I got to spend more time with loved ones that had died from the condition.You make some valid points aidanstu and i can see you are as passionate as i am, albeit i lean the other way towards freedom of choice rather than unwavering adherence to rules. A key point is that you say that you would wear one for the rest of your life if it meant you got to spend more time with loved ones. Firstly nobody is saying that you can't do this if you wished but secondly, many people don't wish to and they should have that freedom to choose whether they want to or not. It is their life, their face, their body. Another point is that there isn't clear evidence that supports the wearing of face coverings in non clinical settings. There may be clearer evidence that supports the wearing of specific types of mask, correctly fitted, in regulated clinical settings but as for wearing a bit of cloth loosely around your mush in Sainsbury's, the evidence is difficult to find and if anyone could post up that clear evidence that supports people wearing Man U scarfs on their faces in supermarkets then please do feel free to post it up, as i have yet to find it. Just saying it might help a bit isn't good enough for some people to warrant wearing one. Rightly or wrongly. Even if the evidence wins hands down, it still should be about the own personal choice of the individual IMO, but we all look at things differently. You are right though, there are a number of people who choose not to wear a mask because they simply can't be arsed but i defend their right to exercise freedom of choice to not to wear a mask. Even if it law, because personally i believe the law in this instance is disproportionate to the actual level of risk and effectiveness of the measure implemented. What might be a minor inconvenience to some isn't for others. Almost 2 years on and still no clear evidence to nail masks to the floor as a valid measure has been produced. Unless you take that piece of 'evidence' supplied by Nadhim Zahawi as something that is of any worth at all. If masks worked as effectively as they say and the evidence was there, they'd be ramming it down our throats every 5 minutes just to prove their point. But they don't and they haven't. Some people like to weigh up the pros and cons before deciding to participate in measures / restrictions rather than just go along with them because a carefully selected cabal of 'scientists', 'behavioural' experts and bent politicians have told them to.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 18, 2022, 10:32:06 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on January 18, 2022, 10:27:34 amSome people rather make people stay at home than wear a mask for 30 seconds. Ridiculous. 'Make' people stay at home? Oh what power the maskless wield. There's someone on the previous page telling someone to stay home if he's worried...