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BRRIt's really simple.You vehemently said you'd seen reports that X was happening.I asked you where those reports were.You went off like a Claymore on a uncoordinated rant about anything but reports.I asked you where the reports were.You tell me I'm not keeping up.I knew there was a reason why I took a decision 35 years back to not discuss topics with the Far Left/Right.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 19, 2022, 12:51:21 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 02:23:54 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 09:51:14 pmDid you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!As I said above, he also claims there has been no change in the front line. He's wrong.Can't you see how much effort is put into pro western propaganda? The US is fighting this proxy war with the aim of weakening Russia. This is effectivey a war between Russia and the US, supported by NATO countries. Ukraine people are the cannon fodder. It's sick.This is a war against an imperialist fascist dictator who has invaded a neighbouring smaller country intent on wiping it off the map.Full stop.Is it your need to wave the flag, get into an us v them, solace in the security your masters are giving you? Coz you know that's all BS. Or just not being capable of seeing the well evidenced bigger picture and history? And that is surprising as it's clear as day... though not in what you are choosing to read.It was orchestrated by both sides in different ways. The US has been aiming for this scenario for decades. Russia has been waiting for the chance to take Ukraine, and was handed the opportunity.The US/NATO thought, and still thinks, it would be able to weaken Russia, possibly to the point of collapse, or maybe instill one if it's usual catastrophic regime changes - which it did do in Ukraine. Russia thought otherwise, and took up the challange.The support for this from the US, and ther NATO countries, public is steadily decreasing. Russia may weaken, or maybe will switch to a more full on war footing, who knows. From the evidence on the ground, ie the Russian advances, it's fairly clear Putin is in control. Zelensky is playing his role well, he is an actor, and squeezing all possible out of what is available to him. How long can he keep doing this, how long will the Western Ukraines support him? A trip to the east to be left unsupported by weapons, and to be maimed or killed isn't looking good on the scales of choices. No one wants to be cannon fodder for the elite thugs in control.Meanwhile, both sides are responsible for the death of Ukrainians - something neither sides are bothered about as is seen in their histories.Yet you persist in dealing out the #billyblinkers line.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 02:23:54 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 09:51:14 pmDid you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!As I said above, he also claims there has been no change in the front line. He's wrong.Can't you see how much effort is put into pro western propaganda? The US is fighting this proxy war with the aim of weakening Russia. This is effectivey a war between Russia and the US, supported by NATO countries. Ukraine people are the cannon fodder. It's sick.This is a war against an imperialist fascist dictator who has invaded a neighbouring smaller country intent on wiping it off the map.Full stop.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 09:51:14 pmDid you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!As I said above, he also claims there has been no change in the front line. He's wrong.Can't you see how much effort is put into pro western propaganda? The US is fighting this proxy war with the aim of weakening Russia. This is effectivey a war between Russia and the US, supported by NATO countries. Ukraine people are the cannon fodder. It's sick.
Did you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!
BRRI'm interested in the reports that YOU have seen.You HAVE seen reports I take it? So you know where they are. Why not share them?
I think for myself - enough of your Russian propoganda b*****ks
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2022, 04:07:53 pmBRRI'm interested in the reports that YOU have seen.You HAVE seen reports I take it? So you know where they are. Why not share them?You're not interested in the reports I saw, jeeez give yourself a break.I've seen loads of reports, nothing proven. Just reports. Even the report that Russia has aquired an intact HIMAR to gp with the French whatsits it also "aquired", all now in Russia being examined. That goes with the story of Ukraine officers/gangsters making a deal with the Russians, ie selling it to them, and then retreating "leaving it behind". Probs not true, but similar is highly likely to have happened here and there.Meanwhile, no HIMARS destroyed you think? Or you don't know?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 05:01:15 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2022, 04:07:53 pmBRRI'm interested in the reports that YOU have seen.You HAVE seen reports I take it? So you know where they are. Why not share them?You're not interested in the reports I saw, jeeez give yourself a break.I've seen loads of reports, nothing proven. Just reports. Even the report that Russia has aquired an intact HIMAR to gp with the French whatsits it also "aquired", all now in Russia being examined. That goes with the story of Ukraine officers/gangsters making a deal with the Russians, ie selling it to them, and then retreating "leaving it behind". Probs not true, but similar is highly likely to have happened here and there.Meanwhile, no HIMARS destroyed you think? Or you don't know?Just post a link to the reports you've seen. Why on earth would you not do that?See, the only reports I have seen of HIMARS being destroyed come directly from the Russian MoD who boast of "Precision missile strikes" doing the job. But we've heard of these claims of "precision missile strikes" surgically taking ut weapons stores before haven't we? When in fact they were lobbing anti-tank missiles with a "we might hit the right suburb" precision, and dstroying apartment blocks and supermarkets.So we take those claims with a pinch of salt don't we?So, you see, I need a bit of help here because I've looked myself and I can't find anything but these Russian MoD claims.I assume you have something more trustworthy? So why not post it?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2022, 04:07:53 pmBRRI'm interested in the reports that YOU have seen.You HAVE seen reports I take it? So you know where they are. Why not share them?You're not interested in the reports I saw, jeeez give yourself a break.I've seen loads of reports, nothing proven. Just reports. Even the report that Russia has aquired an intact HIMAR to gp with the French whatsits it also "aquired", all now in Russia being examined. That goes with the story of Ukraine officers/gangsters making a deal with the Russians, ie selling it to them, and then retreating "leaving it behind". Probs not true, but similar is highly likely to have happened here and there.Meanwhile, no HIMARS destroyed you think? Or you don't know?
BRRThere you go again with this weird behaviour! Spending dozens of key clicks telling me what I ought to be able to find, when ctrl-c and ctrl-z could copy and paste the links that you've found. How very odd that you won't do it.Almost as if...
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 03:32:59 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 19, 2022, 12:51:21 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 02:23:54 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 09:51:14 pmDid you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!As I said above, he also claims there has been no change in the front line. He's wrong.Can't you see how much effort is put into pro western propaganda? The US is fighting this proxy war with the aim of weakening Russia. This is effectivey a war between Russia and the US, supported by NATO countries. Ukraine people are the cannon fodder. It's sick.This is a war against an imperialist fascist dictator who has invaded a neighbouring smaller country intent on wiping it off the map.Full stop.Is it your need to wave the flag, get into an us v them, solace in the security your masters are giving you? Coz you know that's all BS. Or just not being capable of seeing the well evidenced bigger picture and history? And that is surprising as it's clear as day... though not in what you are choosing to read.It was orchestrated by both sides in different ways. The US has been aiming for this scenario for decades. Russia has been waiting for the chance to take Ukraine, and was handed the opportunity.The US/NATO thought, and still thinks, it would be able to weaken Russia, possibly to the point of collapse, or maybe instill one if it's usual catastrophic regime changes - which it did do in Ukraine. Russia thought otherwise, and took up the challange.The support for this from the US, and ther NATO countries, public is steadily decreasing. Russia may weaken, or maybe will switch to a more full on war footing, who knows. From the evidence on the ground, ie the Russian advances, it's fairly clear Putin is in control. Zelensky is playing his role well, he is an actor, and squeezing all possible out of what is available to him. How long can he keep doing this, how long will the Western Ukraines support him? A trip to the east to be left unsupported by weapons, and to be maimed or killed isn't looking good on the scales of choices. No one wants to be cannon fodder for the elite thugs in control.Meanwhile, both sides are responsible for the death of Ukrainians - something neither sides are bothered about as is seen in their histories.Yet you persist in dealing out the #billyblinkers line.Well said, but you're wasting your breath on here. In the main most seem happy to go along with the line they are being fed by the Western Governments and MSM who never tell lies.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 20, 2022, 09:34:25 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 03:32:59 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 19, 2022, 12:51:21 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 02:23:54 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 09:51:14 pmDid you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!As I said above, he also claims there has been no change in the front line. He's wrong.Can't you see how much effort is put into pro western propaganda? The US is fighting this proxy war with the aim of weakening Russia. This is effectivey a war between Russia and the US, supported by NATO countries. Ukraine people are the cannon fodder. It's sick.This is a war against an imperialist fascist dictator who has invaded a neighbouring smaller country intent on wiping it off the map.Full stop.Is it your need to wave the flag, get into an us v them, solace in the security your masters are giving you? Coz you know that's all BS. Or just not being capable of seeing the well evidenced bigger picture and history? And that is surprising as it's clear as day... though not in what you are choosing to read.It was orchestrated by both sides in different ways. The US has been aiming for this scenario for decades. Russia has been waiting for the chance to take Ukraine, and was handed the opportunity.The US/NATO thought, and still thinks, it would be able to weaken Russia, possibly to the point of collapse, or maybe instill one if it's usual catastrophic regime changes - which it did do in Ukraine. Russia thought otherwise, and took up the challange.The support for this from the US, and ther NATO countries, public is steadily decreasing. Russia may weaken, or maybe will switch to a more full on war footing, who knows. From the evidence on the ground, ie the Russian advances, it's fairly clear Putin is in control. Zelensky is playing his role well, he is an actor, and squeezing all possible out of what is available to him. How long can he keep doing this, how long will the Western Ukraines support him? A trip to the east to be left unsupported by weapons, and to be maimed or killed isn't looking good on the scales of choices. No one wants to be cannon fodder for the elite thugs in control.Meanwhile, both sides are responsible for the death of Ukrainians - something neither sides are bothered about as is seen in their histories.Yet you persist in dealing out the #billyblinkers line.Well said, but you're wasting your breath on here. In the main most seem happy to go along with the line they are being fed by the Western Governments and MSM who never tell lies.If you and BRR are wasting your breath on here, you are both quite entitled to do one and leave us to our ignorant bliss. And I’m sure I’m not the only one, me hoping you do!
I've Googled plenty. I've not seen a single "report" that isn't based on a statement from the Russian MoD. So I've no option but to conclude that you are basing your posts on reports from the Russian MoD. Which would fit a pattern. You read reports by the Russian MoD and repeat them unfiltered. Frequently.
Right. Only took two days to get there.Who mentioned denials? When you're addressing claims from a source that has demonstrably lied over and over again, there's no onus on anyone to deny it. Better to just work in the assumption it's another lie, unless there's evidence to the contrary.
Is putin slowly coming around to negotiation??? still a bit early to call but if he signs off on that grain deal and that he has just cracked opened the gas valve a tad could show that russia and himself are under strain from the war and sanctions .......
Ukraine’s military destroys Russian ammunition depot in southern Ukraine. Operational Command “South” said it destroyed a Russian multiple rocket launcher, three armored personnel carriers, two heavy artillery, and six military vehicles. They also killed 93 Russian troops.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550627320188248066This takes the Ukraine Armed Forces estimates of Russian losses to date to include:39,240 troops1.708 tanks2.802 supply vehicles3,929 APV's864 artillery systems253 MLR'shttps://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550735629704740864