Ukraine

[BillyStubbsTears]

My mistake. I misread BRR's post.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I just watched a vid from a French TV channel interviewing some US volunteers in Ukraine. Said their command was in it for personal glory and not afraid to unnecessarily sacrifice troops to get this. Also their dead compatriots were robbed of possessions including phones and money by Ukraines.

And now I'm hearing that the assault in the Kherson area was never going to happen, just an attempt to demoralise the Russians.... will try to find the interview, but crazy stuff if so.

I think they have a a perfectly sound way to demoralise the Russians, given that they now have the capability to destroy large ammo dumps at an air base in the Crimea, 250 miles from Ukraine-held territory.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I just watched a vid from a French TV channel interviewing some US volunteers in Ukraine. Said their command was in it for personal glory and not afraid to unnecessarily sacrifice troops to get this. Also their dead compatriots were robbed of possessions including phones and money by Ukraines.

And now I'm hearing that the assault in the Kherson area was never going to happen, just an attempt to demoralise the Russians.... will try to find the interview, but crazy stuff if so.

I think they have a a perfectly sound way to demoralise the Russians, given that they now have the capability to destroy large ammo dumps at an air base in the Crimea, 250 miles from Ukraine-held territory.

If that's what happened. Though given that Russia has been doing similar for a very long time, do you think Ukraines are a tad demoralised?

By the way, those vids were via Telegram, I was looking to see if I could find them elsewhere lest your devices get corrupted, and god forbid you started seeing another side to all this

[BillyStubbsTears]

Except Russia hasn't been doing it. They e been lobbing 1 tonne warheads into residential areas then claiming they've hit arms dumps, in the comfortable knowledge that their useful idioys in the West will broadcast their lies.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Except Russia hasn't been doing it. They e been lobbing 1 tonne warheads into residential areas then claiming they've hit arms dumps, in the comfortable knowledge that their useful idioys in the West will broadcast their lies.

That's so sloppy, are you Johnson or Zelensky in disguise? I guess Ukraine is retreating and losing massive amount of troops and weaponry because they're just poo at war? Or maybe they've been systematically weakened? N'eh mind, get back to your Dorritos.

Yesterday eve the Ukraines attacked a beer production factory in Donetsk. Important target you'd think, stopping all those nasty separatists celebrating the Ukraine losses and retreats, but no, they hit the ammonia depot. As you might know, that's highly toxic to civilians as well as armed forces.

Not only that, they continue shelling with petal mines, an outlawed weapon designed to maim people. Why do this in Donetsk? Because there's a high concentration of civilians there. Evil.

Keep up chuck.

[Bristol Red Rover]

It has to be asked why Ukraine is shelling parts of the biggest nuke plant in Europe? Russia is going to take the energy from this place to the parts of Ukraine it now has. The Ukraines don't like that, obviously, but to shell parts of it is plain mental.

BBC news on this is no more than childlike, though I'm sure some of you buy that! 

[Colin C No.3]

Axholme Lion, genuine question. Would you regard yourself as a fascist?

[Bristol Red Rover]

To help with clarity, from wiki, a fair definition I think:
"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology, philosophy and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Opposed to democracy, pluralism, free-market capitalism, anarchism, liberalism, conservatism, socialism, communism and Marxism."

Just a notch or two beyond the Conservatives. More simplistic, mainly without the sugar coating of faux democracy, and subsituting more extreme "policing" for the poverty trap?

[Axholme Lion]

Axholme Lion, genuine question. Would you regard yourself as a fascist?

Not at all. I believe what i believe and am not afraid to to say it, this upsets a lot of people because i go against the flow. I don't hold with any of this PC nonsense which is dragging this country down the u bend.
I believe the first duty of the government is to look after this country and it's people. I want a reformed NHS and proper care for the elderly. Nationalisation of all utilities, railways and critical infrastructure. We shouldn't be involved in other peoples wars. The enemy of the people is international big business/USA. I don't see any of that as fascism.

[Colin C No.3]

“The enemy of the people is big business/USA”.

We’ve nothing to fear from Russia or China then?

We’re not ‘at war’ with Russia yet the President of that country sanctioned the poisoning of Sergia Skripal (& either by design or ‘accident’ also poisoning his daughter Yulia). On BRITISH SOIL.
The poison the state assassins used was the nerve agent Novichock, dispensed via a perfume which the assassins then ‘flippantly’ threw away. The perfume bottle ended up in the hands of a British citizen Dawn Sturgess a mother of two children aged 6 & 3. She died in agony after spraying the contents of the bottle onto her wrists. I’m sure you’ll recall these events happened in Salisbury, an archetypal English town.

Putin’s deadly ‘tentacles’ also reached out to Alexander Litvinenko who had criticised Putin. On this occasion the ‘elected assassin’ used Polonium as their ‘weapon’ of choice. On BRITISH SOIL.

Should the world not fear Russia & China at this point in history given their actions against Ukraine & Taiwan as opposed to ‘big business/USA?

Is there any accountability for what the Russians did on British soil? No.

Is there any accountability for China flooding world markets with ‘copies’ of high end brand merchandise & their unashamed chest beating of military build up that will “enable China to fight & win any war in the world”? Perhaps only your ‘nemesis’ the USA can put the brakes on China’s ‘technological’ war, its unwanted imports & its expansionism.

‘Keeping our noses out of other countries’ isn’t a luxury we have unless you’re prepared to stand idly by when now is the time that ‘good men’ need more than at any time in our history since WW11 to stand up & be counted.






I also believe Putin gave the o

[Bristol Red Rover]

CCN3, how many people will suffer, including dying, in UK from the fuel crisis caused by sanctions and refusal to pay for Russian gas in Rubles? I'd call that an own goal of way greater significance than the Skripal poisoning, terrible as that was.

The US undoubtedly pushed Russia into all that's happening in Ukraine, albeit Russia been itching to get in there.The US precipitated the war just as much as Russia. I don't see how the US can be considered friends of the people here.

Dream on re the US stopping China. Currently it might have a chance, as the years roll on, no way.

[BobG]

It will depend ultimately on economics. It always does. Money is first, last and everywhere inbetween when it comes to power, influence and military might. 'The Rise and Fall of Great Powers' by Andrew Kennedy is conclusive. A great leader can alter things for a while, but leaders last a limited time. The power of economics can't be held back indefinitely .

BobG

[Bristol Red Rover]

Things going on in the background. UK involved in deregulation workers rights in Ukraine for some time. Fortunately so far resisted by trade unions there. Now Zelensky being encouraged to push this through.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/uk-sponsors-deregulation-of-labour-rights-in-ukraine/

All part of the western corporate grab on Ukraine, maximising profits for the companies due to be taking its resources. ie the Western Land Grab.

[wilts rover]

Things going on in the background. UK involved in deregulation workers rights in Ukraine for some time. Fortunately so far resisted by trade unions there. Now Zelensky being encouraged to push this through.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/uk-sponsors-deregulation-of-labour-rights-in-ukraine/

All part of the western corporate grab on Ukraine, maximising profits for the companies due to be taking its resources. ie the Western Land Grab.

If only Russia hadn't staged an invasion then the government would be in a better place to sort it out.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Seems you miss the point.

“The UK is effectively trying to undermine efforts of the International Labor Organization and the European Commission,” said EPSU, which claimed the UK is “financing propaganda” to “create a climate” against Ukrainian trade unions.

All part of making it more fertile for Western corporations and investors to make more money. Nothing whatsoever about what's best for Ukranianians. Like I said, one side of the land grab. I'm not at all saying the Russian land grab is good, just pointing out the fallacy of "freedom and democracy" on the other hand. Its all about corrupt gangsters whichever way you look at it.

[glosterred]

Seems you miss the point.

“The UK is effectively trying to undermine efforts of the International Labor Organization and the European Commission,” said EPSU, which claimed the UK is “financing propaganda” to “create a climate” against Ukrainian trade unions.

All part of making it more fertile for Western corporations and investors to make more money. Nothing whatsoever about what's best for Ukranianians. Like I said, one side of the land grab. I'm not at all saying the Russian land grab is good, just pointing out the fallacy of "freedom and democracy" on the other hand. Its all about corrupt gangsters whichever way you look at it.

So what you implying? That the invasion was only staged to protect workers right?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Pointing out another means of how the West, the UK, is aiming to milk Ukraine. Part of the picture.

The war is a fog, the politics is endless, but the economics, or sheer greed as it is, is in yer face. Of course that goes for Russia and the West. Ukraine is the victim.

[glosterred]

And is it sheer greed that Russia wants to rule over Ukraine and sovereign country in its own right? Is it sheer greed to annex Crimea?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Aguable about Crimea perhaps, but otherwise most definitely yes.

[wilts rover]

Why some people on here - willingly, knowingly or not - are assisting Putin's war effort:

'Russia has identified Ukraine’s dependence on external support as its greatest vulnerability and has been looking for ways to undermine this support, largely by aggravating the economic crises facing the West.'

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2022/08/russia-underestimating-ukraine-attrition

[Bristol Red Rover]

Why some people on here - willingly, knowingly or not - are assisting Putin's war effort:

'Russia has identified Ukraine’s dependence on external support as its greatest vulnerability and has been looking for ways to undermine this support, largely by aggravating the economic crises facing the West.'

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2022/08/russia-underestimating-ukraine-attrition

Not following you there. If anything in that article clarifies, you'll have to say as it's behind a paywall. Your quote doesn't help. Are you suggesting some here are helping aggravate the economic crisis in the West?

[Branton Red]

Bought some blueberries from Morrisons last weekend.

Was surprised to see they were a product of Ukraine.

They were nice as well.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Absolute barbarians.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1560320953359425536

[Bristol Red Rover]

Have you got anything that shows anythng more than a few trucks there? We know there are soldiers there guarding it. I'm assuming they have transport to the plant. Seems strange that given Ukraine is claiming there is artillery there that there has been nothing in all this time to show that when there are Ukraines working there with phones, as is shown.

Obviously the goings on at the plant are a potential source of propoganda both ways. ie either weopons stored there, artillery operating there on the one hand, and on the other shelling of it. I have seen pics of shells there - maybe they were planted, though one I saw was well embedded in the roof.

[Bristol Red Rover]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-fsb-says-ukraine-behind-murder-ultra-nationalists-daughter-2022-08-22/

Talking about long range missile that are wildly inaccurate... I wonder how this story will progress? Seems the woman who planted the bomb on the car was filmed and known to have immediately fled to Latvia.

Most likely a Ukraine agent of some sort. I can't see Latvia giving her up, despite her appearing to have committed terrorist actions, or terrorist as the world uses that term these days.

I guess capturing her will be one aim. That could be very messy. With an either or action on Ukraine officials, and possibly their families.

[BillyStubbsTears]

"Seems that..." translating as "FSB claims that..."

Russian propaganda, brought to your phone unprocessed by BRR.

[wilts rover]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-fsb-says-ukraine-behind-murder-ultra-nationalists-daughter-2022-08-22/

Talking about long range missile that are wildly inaccurate... I wonder how this story will progress? Seems the woman who planted the bomb on the car was filmed and known to have immediately fled to Latvia.

Most likely a Ukraine agent of some sort. I can't see Latvia giving her up, despite her appearing to have committed terrorist actions, or terrorist as the world uses that term these days.

I guess capturing her will be one aim. That could be very messy. With an either or action on Ukraine officials, and possibly their families.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-fsb-says-ukraine-behind-murder-ultra-nationalists-daughter-2022-08-22/

Talking about long range missile that are wildly inaccurate... I wonder how this story will progress? Seems the woman who planted the bomb on the car was filmed and known to have immediately fled to Latvia.

Most likely a Ukraine agent of some sort. I can't see Latvia giving her up, despite her appearing to have committed terrorist actions, or terrorist as the world uses that term these days.

I guess capturing her will be one aim. That could be very messy. With an either or action on Ukraine officials, and possibly their families.

When Ukraine puts stuff like this out its propoganda. When Russia does it - clearly true.

#bothsides #falseflag #exactlythesameasGrozny

[BillyStubbsTears]

Grozny's the call Wilts.

The FSB very likely planned the apartment bombings as Putin's excuse to flatten Grozny.

3 FSB agents were caught red handed by the local police planting a bomb in a tower block in Ryazan. The official line was that they were on a practice mission.

There are folk in here who would have believed that like they uncritically repeat  every line that comes from them in this conflict.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Woman, Ukraine soldier, recently gets flat in the same block as the murdered girl. She then runs to Estonia immediately after. I wonder where the smoking gun lies? And that's without having seen the reported CCTV.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Woman, Ukraine soldier, recently gets flat in the same block as the murdered girl. She then runs to Estonia immediately after. I wonder where the smoking gun lies? And that's without having seen the reported CCTV.

And whaddya know? She left her Azov Regiment ID card behind for the FSB to find.

What undercover special agent goes to enemy territory to commit an assassination with a paramilitary ID card?

But yeah BRR. Case closed.