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Quote from: normal rules on September 22, 2022, 01:36:27 pmRussia will never give up on its attempt to land grab eastern Ukraine. Ukraine will never want to give any of it up. There has to be a compromise here. Perhaps the people of Donbas will vot with their feet later this week . If they do. Let Russia have it . Both sides are going to have to concede something soon for all this to end . Let’s not think about the alternative . They Ukrainians in Donbas have left their homeland. There are 9 million displaced people from there. Of course the sham referendums will indicate that there is a majority for union with Russia.What you are saying is that we should all be complicit in allowing Russia that gain for their aggression.And then what? What happens when Putin decides he's having the Baltics? Or Moldova? Or Poland?There's a simple decision here. You stop Putin here and now. Or you let him dictate the future to Europe.
Russia will never give up on its attempt to land grab eastern Ukraine. Ukraine will never want to give any of it up. There has to be a compromise here. Perhaps the people of Donbas will vot with their feet later this week . If they do. Let Russia have it . Both sides are going to have to concede something soon for all this to end . Let’s not think about the alternative .
"The two gun story isn't relating to anything but your fantasy."Really..... That, I am now convinced, sums up your knowledge of history Bristol. It didn't happen all the time, and it happened less and less as Allied manufacturing got to grips with the need, but happen it did - although on a different level to 8 men and 2 guns. Companies, regiments and even brigades. Prisoners released to walk, unarmed, in front of troops sometimes too... to clear the minefields. They had Comrades pointing, and firing, guns at them too.BobG
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 22, 2022, 02:00:47 pmQuote from: normal rules on September 22, 2022, 01:36:27 pmRussia will never give up on its attempt to land grab eastern Ukraine. Ukraine will never want to give any of it up. There has to be a compromise here. Perhaps the people of Donbas will vot with their feet later this week . If they do. Let Russia have it . Both sides are going to have to concede something soon for all this to end . Let’s not think about the alternative . They Ukrainians in Donbas have left their homeland. There are 9 million displaced people from there. Of course the sham referendums will indicate that there is a majority for union with Russia.What you are saying is that we should all be complicit in allowing Russia that gain for their aggression.And then what? What happens when Putin decides he's having the Baltics? Or Moldova? Or Poland?There's a simple decision here. You stop Putin here and now. Or you let him dictate the future to Europe.Seems you miss the point of the referenda. Its for implementing the new moves re increasing troops.
Why do you look to the hysterical, and react in that way? It's almost like you're the successful prime target of western propaganda. Though to be fair there's many more on here drinking from the same cauldron.It is about mobilising. If Ukraine doesn't attack the territories then Russia will have problems with its mobilisation, if not now then in the future. Sure the nuke option is there but they won't be using that. And really, if Ukraine wants to nuke, they will anyway. Just as the west would - not that you'd believe that as you are lost in a bubble.I'm no fan of Putin, but I can see why he is doing what he is doing, which is actually what the Russian leaders are doing, this is far from just Putin. Nice for you to fall in line again with the western propaganda - Hitler has only got one ball eh! In terms of a chess game, he's trashing the west, not sure what the west will do when it's lost it's Ukraine pawn. Or maybe you can't see that?
I just watched an American made documentary about 'Putin's Road to War'. It's being broadcast over here on the PBS America network on Channel 84 on Freeview.Although some will criticise it for using emotive photographs and videos, I was super impressed, and scared, by the history of the last 22 years of Putin. We forget a lot. But lay it out, historical fact after historical fact, and the picture it paints of Putin is downright nasty. It'll be repeated. It's worth an hour of anybody's time.BobG
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Interviews with people in Mariupol focusing on the referendum. You may disagree, but I don't see that these people are actors. What is said goes with everything I've seen and heard directly, as opposed to 2nd and 3rd hand reports from Western/Ukraine media.You can go back to hear what the previous guy said but this one, and the woman after describe clearly what happened there in the fighting.https://youtu.be/UE2J0leMgdU?t=740
Quote from: BobG on September 26, 2022, 07:48:33 pmI just watched an American made documentary about 'Putin's Road to War'. It's being broadcast over here on the PBS America network on Channel 84 on Freeview.Although some will criticise it for using emotive photographs and videos, I was super impressed, and scared, by the history of the last 22 years of Putin. We forget a lot. But lay it out, historical fact after historical fact, and the picture it paints of Putin is downright nasty. It'll be repeated. It's worth an hour of anybody's time.BobGI haven't seen this yet. It's a US made docu, and from what I can see the writer is very firmly on the Democrat side of things. Nothing else he has done seems to challenge the US interference on the world. Do you think the perspective and spin here may be coming from a position of wanting to do down Putin?
Run that "everything I've seen and heard directly" bit by me again BRR.