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''Russia-Ukraine war live: head of Russian Orthodox church calls for temporary ceasefire''He obviously hasn't heard of the russian windows program.
I really enjoyed watching the documentary last night about Ukraine. Love the use of hand held drones to target enemy positions, but by hell do they need training around use of Mortars. What a waste of shells.
Russian military top brass have suggested that sending MBT’s will cross the red line, so to speak.What about the HIMARS then? If that doesn’t cross red lines, then it seems Russian warnings are hollow rhetoric.
The Russia Embassy in the UK said that sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is pouring petrol on the fire, thats like the arsonist blaming the fire brigade for the fire!
Quote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 08:15:36 pmThe Russia Embassy in the UK said that sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is pouring petrol on the fire, thats like the arsonist blaming the fire brigade for the fire!And that's like saying the mob with torches are the fire brigade.However you see it, putting a few Challengers and Leopards in there is going to do nothing but fan the flames of war, and increase death. Hardly a fire brigade is it?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on January 14, 2023, 09:47:29 pmQuote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 08:15:36 pmThe Russia Embassy in the UK said that sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is pouring petrol on the fire, thats like the arsonist blaming the fire brigade for the fire!And that's like saying the mob with torches are the fire brigade.However you see it, putting a few Challengers and Leopards in there is going to do nothing but fan the flames of war, and increase death. Hardly a fire brigade is it? The flames of War should never have been ignited by an illegal invasion, Russia could end the War right now by leaving and going back to their own Country, it’s that simple, the War is the sole responsibility of Russia
Quote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 10:05:01 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on January 14, 2023, 09:47:29 pmQuote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 08:15:36 pmThe Russia Embassy in the UK said that sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is pouring petrol on the fire, thats like the arsonist blaming the fire brigade for the fire!And that's like saying the mob with torches are the fire brigade.However you see it, putting a few Challengers and Leopards in there is going to do nothing but fan the flames of war, and increase death. Hardly a fire brigade is it? The flames of War should never have been ignited by an illegal invasion, Russia could end the War right now by leaving and going back to their own Country, it’s that simple, the War is the sole responsibility of RussiaThere was an agreement being negotiated before the invasion. Boris Johnson intervened putting a halt to this and the invasion happened. Ukraine chose that path. NATO/USA/UK, EU, were fully behind fuelling a war, Russia was up for a war too but was in negotiations as mentioned before Johnson said no. Not that he was anything more than an evil lying clown stooge - as anyone in the UK knows full well.To see it in your way is like seeing the fire service as water.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on January 15, 2023, 02:41:49 amQuote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 10:05:01 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on January 14, 2023, 09:47:29 pmQuote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 08:15:36 pmThe Russia Embassy in the UK said that sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is pouring petrol on the fire, thats like the arsonist blaming the fire brigade for the fire!And that's like saying the mob with torches are the fire brigade.However you see it, putting a few Challengers and Leopards in there is going to do nothing but fan the flames of war, and increase death. Hardly a fire brigade is it? The flames of War should never have been ignited by an illegal invasion, Russia could end the War right now by leaving and going back to their own Country, it’s that simple, the War is the sole responsibility of RussiaThere was an agreement being negotiated before the invasion. Boris Johnson intervened putting a halt to this and the invasion happened. Ukraine chose that path. NATO/USA/UK, EU, were fully behind fuelling a war, Russia was up for a war too but was in negotiations as mentioned before Johnson said no. Not that he was anything more than an evil lying clown stooge - as anyone in the UK knows full well.To see it in your way is like seeing the fire service as water. And you have proof from sources other than the Russian propaganda machine?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on January 15, 2023, 02:41:49 amQuote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 10:05:01 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on January 14, 2023, 09:47:29 pmQuote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 08:15:36 pmThe Russia Embassy in the UK said that sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is pouring petrol on the fire, thats like the arsonist blaming the fire brigade for the fire!And that's like saying the mob with torches are the fire brigade.However you see it, putting a few Challengers and Leopards in there is going to do nothing but fan the flames of war, and increase death. Hardly a fire brigade is it? The flames of War should never have been ignited by an illegal invasion, Russia could end the War right now by leaving and going back to their own Country, it’s that simple, the War is the sole responsibility of RussiaThere was an agreement being negotiated before the invasion. Boris Johnson intervened putting a halt to this and the invasion happened. Ukraine chose that path. NATO/USA/UK, EU, were fully behind fuelling a war, Russia was up for a war too but was in negotiations as mentioned before Johnson said no. Not that he was anything more than an evil lying clown stooge - as anyone in the UK knows full well.To see it in your way is like seeing the fire service as water. In December Putin began building up troops on Ukraine's border. He insisted in no way were these troops preparing for an invasion of Ukraine but were 'only' conducting exercises. He continued to insist this until the day they invaded.He also insisted it was a 'special military operation'. In which other conflict does bombing civilian apartment blocks, schools and hospitals equate to 'military operations'?To see it your way is the arsonist holding a can of petrol and a box of matches insisting he was just stopping for a smoke.
Quote from: Filo on January 15, 2023, 07:54:56 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on January 15, 2023, 02:41:49 amQuote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 10:05:01 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on January 14, 2023, 09:47:29 pmQuote from: Filo on January 14, 2023, 08:15:36 pmThe Russia Embassy in the UK said that sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is pouring petrol on the fire, thats like the arsonist blaming the fire brigade for the fire!And that's like saying the mob with torches are the fire brigade.However you see it, putting a few Challengers and Leopards in there is going to do nothing but fan the flames of war, and increase death. Hardly a fire brigade is it? The flames of War should never have been ignited by an illegal invasion, Russia could end the War right now by leaving and going back to their own Country, it’s that simple, the War is the sole responsibility of RussiaThere was an agreement being negotiated before the invasion. Boris Johnson intervened putting a halt to this and the invasion happened. Ukraine chose that path. NATO/USA/UK, EU, were fully behind fuelling a war, Russia was up for a war too but was in negotiations as mentioned before Johnson said no. Not that he was anything more than an evil lying clown stooge - as anyone in the UK knows full well.To see it in your way is like seeing the fire service as water. And you have proof from sources other than the Russian propaganda machine? Obviously not the full discussion, but as clear as you can hope for.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-president-zelenskyy-of-ukraine-21-february-2022
I wonder just how much longer Putin has.Their country is losing billions every month in gdp.The rich and powerful are seeing their amassed fortunes evaporate.He has troops actively seeking surrender, some already have.He is losing the support of those countries who would normally stand by him, leaving North Korea and Iran as lone advocates.In sep 22 it was cited that Russia has enough money to fund the war for at least another 2 years. (Wilson enter.org) But what then?
Quote from: normal rules on January 16, 2023, 07:59:24 pmI wonder just how much longer Putin has.Their country is losing billions every month in gdp.The rich and powerful are seeing their amassed fortunes evaporate.He has troops actively seeking surrender, some already have.He is losing the support of those countries who would normally stand by him, leaving North Korea and Iran as lone advocates.In sep 22 it was cited that Russia has enough money to fund the war for at least another 2 years. (Wilson enter.org) But what then?He was counting on a cold winter and EU states being forced to push Ukraine into surrender to acquire Russian gas. Doesn't look like that is going to happen now due to mild weather & good planning.I see also he is preparing to widen conscription to older age groups. Never a good sign for them or their families. Spring campaign do you reckon?
Quote from: normal rules on January 16, 2023, 07:59:24 pmI wonder just how much longer Putin has.Their country is losing billions every month in gdp.The rich and powerful are seeing their amassed fortunes evaporate.He has troops actively seeking surrender, some already have.He is losing the support of those countries who would normally stand by him, leaving North Korea and Iran as lone advocates.In sep 22 it was cited that Russia has enough money to fund the war for at least another 2 years. (Wilson enter.org) But what then?I don’t consider -20c mild. Which is has been down to over Xmas new year in Luhansk. The next two weeks not so good either. Day time temps not much above freezing with -9 overnight. Good for moving heavy artillery. Bad for keeping warm. He was counting on a cold winter and EU states being forced to push Ukraine into surrender to acquire Russian gas. Doesn't look like that is going to happen now due to mild weather & good planning.I see also he is preparing to widen conscription to older age groups. Never a good sign for them or their families. Spring campaign do you reckon?