Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson

[Bentley Bullet]

Interesting isn’t it that those calling for Starmer being pictured with a beer in his hand to resign are not calling for Johnson to resign after being pictured doing the same thing

Starmer should resign because he's a hypocrite if he doesn't practise what he preached.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Boris Johnson pictured drinking at No 10 lockdown event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61557064

Oh dear.  Probably Cummings leaking, as I seem to remember him saying there were more photos to come.

Why were some of the people at that event fined but not Johnson? It's either an illegal gathering contravening covid laws or its not?

because it was probably arranged as a work event, so any that should be there will be ok ones that were not meant to be at work will get fined

It was a leaving do for a member of staff. Why do you assume it was a work event?

And since it happened in Johnson's office, if there were people there who shouldn't have been there, surely he should have told them the get out?

it's fine anyway they had a long day at work before the event so are they not entitled to a beer and a piece of cake or 2?

Clearly it wasn't alright. The Met issued fines to many of the people there. So it's a matter of record that there was illegality at the event where Johnson has been filmed raising his glass to the attendees.

so because kier stood with his beer and only moved it to his mouth it's different, so if kier has raised his glass to anyone at his work place you think he should resign?

You're ignoring the obvious. The issue is that the Met has decided illegal activity took place at the No10 event.

Agreed?

And Johnson was there, drinking and toasting, surrounded by people drinking and toasting at what we know was a leaving do.

To date, there's no proof that Starmer was engaged in any illegal activity. If it turns out he was, he'll resign.

Johnson will not resign even though he said IN PARLIAMENT that no illegal activity took place at his event..

Agreed?

[SydneyRover]

Interesting isn’t it that those calling for Starmer being pictured with a beer in his hand to resign are not calling for Johnson to resign after being pictured doing the same thing

Starmer should resign because he's a hypocrite if he doesn't practise what he preached.

I can say hand on heart that Starmer will not resign because you're the hypocrite bb

[River Don]

This snippet from the telegraph.


Sources close to Ms Gray said she had always considered the Lee Cain leaving party to be the most egregious of all the events Mr Johnson attended.

She was said to be “flabbergasted” at the decision by the Metropolitan Police not to fine Mr Johnson over the gathering.

A spokesman for Ms Gray refused to comment on whether the photographs of Mr Johnson and others at the leaving do were among the 510 images collected by her investigation and examined by the Met.

[SydneyRover]

The Times

''Meanwhile, The Times has been told that Johnson suggested Gray should drop her plans to publish her report during a secret meeting with him earlier this month. Steve Barclay, his chief of staff, was also said to have been present.

“He asked her, is there much point in doing it now that it’s all out there?” a Whitehall source said. “He was inferring that she didn’t need to publish the report.” Another added: “They were exploring this idea of not having any report. It was being talked about [in Downing Street]. But politically they realised they couldn’t do it.”

[SydneyRover]

Is Carrie Antoinette now on the No10 payroll?

Probably she's worked in politics as an adviser for years it's how she met her husband.

You'd think that if she was it would be in here as it appears to be an advantage when fpn dodging

''In 2009, Symonds joined the Conservative Party as a press officer.[12] She worked at Conservative Campaign Headquarters,[13] and later campaigned for Boris Johnson in the 2010 London Conservative Party mayoral selection. She has also worked as a media special adviser for Conservative Cabinet ministers Sajid Javid (Communities, Local Government and Housing Secretary) and John Whittingdale (Culture, Media and Sport Secretary).[14]

Symonds became the Conservative Party's head of communications in 2018,[15] but left the position later that year,[7] taking up a job in public relations for the Oceana project.[16][14] It was reported that she was asked to leave her post as director of communications, with Conservative party sources of the Daily Mail paper reporting that the firing was due poor performance according to party chiefs and allegations of significant unjustified expenses claims.[17][2] These accusations were claimed by an anonymous "longtime colleague" to be a smear campaign allegedly spread by Symonds's political strategist, Lynton Crosby (subsequently denied by Crosby).[18][19]

Mrs Johnson is a Patron of the Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation.[20]''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Johnson

[ravenrover]

The problem is he really doesn't believe/think it was a party which now makes the claim he lied to Parliament very debatable.
Poor old Grant Schnaps drawing the short straw for this mornings interviews or maybe it's because he is very good at keeping a straight face when telling the chanels it was a work event, the red boxes were there the PM was working, it wasn't a party etc

[SydneyRover]

The problem is he really doesn't believe/think it was a party which now makes the claim he lied to Parliament very debatable.
Poor old Grant Schnaps drawing the short straw for this mornings interviews or maybe it's because he is very good at keeping a straight face when telling the chanels it was a work event, the red boxes were there the PM was working, it wasn't a party etc

It shouldn't matter what he believes, what matters is the evidence and most I would assume would have great difficulty understanding how the Met came to a position of issuing fpn's to some present at a party but not others when the gathering has been deemed to be illegal, especially when the person in charge of the workplace is present at the event with the authority to close it down and send people home.

The Met are going to come under increasing pressure to explain their methodology.

[Bentley Bullet]

The problem is he really doesn't believe/think it was a party which now makes the claim he lied to Parliament very debatable.
Poor old Grant Schnaps drawing the short straw for this mornings interviews or maybe it's because he is very good at keeping a straight face when telling the chanels it was a work event, the red boxes were there the PM was working, it wasn't a party etc

Like I said a while back, there was not much point in having a police investigation regarding any sort of accepted resolution because some people found Johnson guilty before the police got involved and they weren't gonna accept any other result.

.....Just like the reaction to the referendum and the 2019 election, we have become a country of bad losers.

[River Don]

This is the latest headline in the Express.

Cummings highlights glaring flaw in Boris photo defence and calls those backing PM 'thick'

Heh.

[Bentley Bullet]

Ah right, that's it then. I mean, if Cummings said it it must be true, eh?

[SydneyRover]

This is the latest headline in the Express.

Cummings highlights glaring flaw in Boris photo defence and calls those backing PM 'thick'

Heh.

It's arguable he's correct.

''The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has been urged to investigate why Johnson was not fined for the event. The Lib Dems’ deputy leader, Daisy Cooper, wrote to the police watchdog’s director general, Michael Lockwood, on Monday night asking it to require the Met to clarify its decision-making process''

As more photos dribble out and the report itself is presented the pressure will be enormous for the tory party to act. This will all happen before the privileges committee investigates and hands down its own report.

[bpoolrover]

Is a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.

What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine?

is standing in your office like starmer stood up chatting having a beer a work event or is it just chilling being social after a long day at work?

[SydneyRover]

Is a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.

What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine?

is standing in your office like starmer stood up chatting having a beer a work event or is it just chilling being social after a long day at work?

Whatever Starmer was doing does not change or effect what johnson was doing so I'm not sure why you continue to conflate the the two, unless you are making a poor attempt to muddy the waters.

Deal with johnson as the separate issue for that it is and what the evidence to date dictates. And yes I have seen that you say he should go, but noone has seen evidence that Starmer should go, but it will be investigated, just because you want him to be guilty doesn't make it so.

[bpoolrover]

Is a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.

What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine?

is standing in your office like starmer stood up chatting having a beer a work event or is it just chilling being social after a long day at work?

Whatever Starmer was doing does not change or effect what johnson was doing so I'm not sure why you continue to conflate the the two, unless you are making a poor attempt to muddy the waters.

Deal with johnson as the separate issue for that it is and what the evidence to date dictates. And yes I have seen that you say he should go, but noone has seen evidence that Starmer should go, but it will be investigated, just because you want him to be guilty doesn't make it so.

i have said johnson should go anyone of them that we're drinking at work while everyone else couldn't see loved ones should go, starmer is one of them people so of course they are linked

[ravenrover]

I see Grant Schnaps is now saying that Johnson wasn't partying as "he'd lost his Mother" which means he couldn't find her because she died some 10months after the photos were taken. Maybe he was looking for her and just stumbled across this leaving do which an insider says he , Johnson, actually instigated, encouraged people to continue drinking and stayed chatting to people for 20mins or so. No10 dispute this......... obviously

[bpoolrover]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55620138.amp many people on this board wanted johnson sacked for this, yet starmer is drinking beer and chatting away inside, is that a bit hypocritical of people or playing politics?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Imagine how morally bankrupt you have to be, to send out to do the "protect Big Dog" media rounds a man like Grant Shapps. A man with three names, a background in Ponzi Scheme cons and a history of having tried to intimidate a constituent who blew the whistle on him.

And then imagine how morally bankrupt you are if even Shapps struggles to put a case for the defence together as he did this morning.

A cracking slip of the tongue this morning on R4.

Interviewer: How can the PM justify having told Parliament that there was no party on 13 Nov now that we have seen these photos?

Shapps: Err...well the PM will have to answer for...err...will answer that himself.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

Take out personalities for a moment.

Do you HONESTLY not see the difference between a gathering in the office with food and drink where the whole purpose is to give a colleague a send off (what the world calls a "leaving do") and the partaking of food and drink while working after a day when you've been out pounding the streets campaigning 200 miles from home and there's work to catch up on (commonly known as a working dinner).

I'm not saying that latter one is categorically what Starmer did - we'll see when the police report. But just tell me if you see a difference between the two as a hypothetical issue.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see Grant Schnaps is now saying that Johnson wasn't partying as "he'd lost his Mother" which means he couldn't find her because she died some 10months after the photos were taken. Maybe he was looking for her and just stumbled across this leaving do which an insider says he , Johnson, actually instigated, encouraged people to continue drinking and stayed chatting to people for 20mins or so. No10 dispute this......... obviously

As scraping the barrel for excuses go, that is competing with "The fact that his red box was stuffed in the corner means he was probably just popping in from work."

[bpoolrover]

Bpool.

Take out personalities for a moment.

Do you HONESTLY not see the difference between a gathering in the office with food and drink where the whole purpose is to give a colleague a send off (what the world calls a "leaving do") and the partaking of food and drink while working after a day when you've been out pounding the streets campaigning 200 miles from home and there's work to catch up on (commonly known as a working dinner).

I'm not saying that latter one is categorically what Starmer did - we'll see when the police report. But just tell me if you see a difference between the two as a hypothetical issue.

yes it's different and that's why everyone there should resign or be sacked, on the link i posted above when boris went riding on his bike you and many others said he should go, how can you say that when starmer is walking round his office chatting away with a beer in hand, after sitting down to a nice curry, do you not find that worse?

[bpoolrover]

starmer himself has said he couldn't go and see his family, so why on earth just because he is at work can he have beer and a curry! just because he didn't raise his glass and say cheers does not make it morally right

[SydneyRover]

starmer himself has said he couldn't go and see his family, so why on earth just because he is at work can he have beer and a curry! just because he didn't raise his glass and say cheers does not make it morally right

If you believe the police report johnson wasn't guilty for being at the party in the photo, therefore with your logic Starmer is also not guilty then?

[wilts rover]

Is a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.

What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine?

is standing in your office like starmer stood up chatting having a beer a work event or is it just chilling being social after a long day at work?

Was Starmer standing in the office of the MP for Durham talking to people, part of his work during the campaign for the Hartlepol By-election (and local elections in the North-East)?

Was Johnson holding a wine glass in the air in a room with a table covered in wine bottles and party snacks, part of his work in tackling the Covid pandemic (which is what he supposed to be doing at the time)?

I dont know the answer to either of these questions - but I can make a good guess.

[SydneyRover]

And why would johnson lie about it if he had nothing to worry about? it wasn't a party apparently

[BillyStubbsTears]

starmer himself has said he couldn't go and see his family, so why on earth just because he is at work can he have beer and a curry! just because he didn't raise his glass and say cheers does not make it morally right

If he was at work and NOT eating and drinking, would that have been OK?

What about if he'd been at work and eating a sandwich and drinking coffee?

What about if he'd been at work and popped outside for a fag, while continuing to talk with a colleague about the work issues he was addressing?

[bpoolrover]

Is a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.

What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine?

is standing in your office like starmer stood up chatting having a beer a work event or is it just chilling being social after a long day at work?

Was Starmer standing in the office of the MP for Durham talking to people, part of his work during the campaign for the Hartlepol By-election (and local elections in the North-East)?

Was Johnson holding a wine glass in the air in a room with a table covered in wine bottles and party snacks, part of his work in tackling the Covid pandemic (which is what he supposed to be doing at the time)?

I dont know the answer to either of these questions - but I can make a good guess.

johnson should be sacked or resign simple as, but do you think it's ok to have curry and beer and walk around your office with it? i have made it clear so many times my take on johnson but none of you are prepared to say that it is bending the rules at best having beer and curry at work lol, maybe we should all have gone round to our friends house for a curry and beer and just said we were working

[SydneyRover]

That would be fine if you worked there bp

[ravenrover]

I see it's now being reported that Johnson should have been isolating after being pinged by contact tracing

[SydneyRover]

Is his dog licence up to date?