Efl show tonight . Discrimination.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Well Mansfield Town are investigating a fan who posted racist messages on t**tter to Chesterfield player Tshimanga.

[danumdon]

I find that some people tend to make a distinction between racism when the race involved are not black, it somehow does not get the same condemnation that it deserves. As a kid growing up in Doncaster i received plenty coming from the only Italian family in the area. Taught me to stand my ground many a time and plenty of kids who were quite happy to partake when in a group interestingly had a slightly more worldly outlook when finding themselves on their own in my presence !!

I've noticed that some of the loudest advocates for racial equality on here in the past have kept their own council or even joined in when some berk has decided to have a cheap laugh at my kinsfolk's expense. What does that say about them as supposedly grounded and intelligent individuals?

Goes without saying that ALL racism is abhorrent regardless of colour or creed.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Good post Danumdon.

I'm from an Austrian background and have been called things like kraut, sausage muncher, hitler, numerous references to the Sound of Music etc etc. Even latterly jokes about the likes of Jozef Fritzl. So i have had that too but what can you do if you are not black and are english born and raised? Take it as banter or get offended by it. Essentially it is bullying due to a difference but like with Scots, Irish and Welsh it often goes under the radar as banter.

[SydneyRover]

Polish migrants to the UK being a case in point, I guess

[scawsby steve]

Eastern Europeans get a lot of stick from some people, especially Romanians. There are two Romanian families living on our street; they're the nicest, hardworking, God loving people I've ever met.

I have a lot of banter with one of the guys about Gaby Tamas, who used to play for his team, Dynamo Bucharest.

[SydneyRover]

I would have thought Romanians were eastern Europeans Steve?

[Janso]

I would have thought Romanians were eastern Europeans Steve?

The Romanians are getting stick for being Eastern European, not giving it out to them.

[SydneyRover]

I would have thought Romanians were eastern Europeans Steve?

The Romanians are getting stick for being Eastern European, not giving it out to them.

I think you missed my point janso

[phil old leake]

https://fanbanter.co.uk/tottenham-fans-face-police-action-if-abusive-and-outdated-chant-gets-sung-during-matches/

[normal rules]

They will ban the word Tyke next. Which has been found to be pejorative in the context of Yorkshire Folk.

[SydneyRover]

I wouldn't think that spurs fans are using Yid as a term of endearment.

[DonnyOsmond]

They will ban the word Tyke next. Which has been found to be pejorative in the context of Yorkshire Folk.

What are you on about? Was your intention for this thread to moan about not being able to say words like "nigger" and "paki"? You're now only posting about "them" stopping you from saying words they haven't stopped you from saying.

[drfchound]

I would have thought Romanians were eastern Europeans Steve?

The Romanians are getting stick for being Eastern European, not giving it out to them.

I think you missed my point janso

What was your point anyway.
I don’t think that SS was suggesting that Romanians are not Eastern Europeans.

[normal rules]

I wouldn't think that spurs fans are using Yid as a term of endearment.

They have always called themselves it. A sort of self proclamation. For years.

[scawsby steve]

I would have thought Romanians were eastern Europeans Steve?

Nice to see you struggling with semantics again, Sydney.

[SydneyRover]

I would have thought Romanians were eastern Europeans Steve?

Nice to see you struggling with semantics again, Sydney.

rather than just struggling aye steve?

[SydneyRover]

I wouldn't think that spurs fans are using Yid as a term of endearment.

They have always called themselves it. A sort of self proclamation. For years.

The question is do they consider it offensive or are you saying that because you think it's ok?

[normal rules]

Take a look on the fighting cock, a Spurs forum. There’s a big thread about it. Called the y word.
See for yourself. I could not find one single Spurs fan who had an issue with it. In fact quite a few suggested if it becomes a criminal matter , they Would be finished with football. Comments like this .


If jewish people (myself included) experienced intentional racial hatred at our ground and were ever made to feel unwelcome then the chanting would be offensive.
We don't, so it isn't.
They tried to stop us, look what it did.

f**king irritates the hell out of me that people seem so incapable of understanding context. Why would 50,000 people regularly shout abuse to the team they support? Sorry if it means something different to someone else, but it's not directed at them, nor with the meaning they are taking - it's directed positively towards our football club - any other meaning or direction taking by others is simply their misunderstanding.


So to answer your question, they don’t think it’s offensive and neither do I.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Good post NR.

As ever, it is all about context.

As ever, no-one gets this better than Stewart Lee.

https://youtu.be/2OLXzO1oK2w

[scawsby steve]

I would have thought Romanians were eastern Europeans Steve?

Nice to see you struggling with semantics again, Sydney.

rather than just struggling aye steve?

Struggling with what? Apart from old age.

[SydneyRover]

Take a look on the fighting cock, a Spurs forum. There’s a big thread about it. Called the y word.
See for yourself. I could not find one single Spurs fan who had an issue with it. In fact quite a few suggested if it becomes a criminal matter , they Would be finished with football. Comments like this .


If jewish people (myself included) experienced intentional racial hatred at our ground and were ever made to feel unwelcome then the chanting would be offensive.
We don't, so it isn't.
They tried to stop us, look what it did.

f**king irritates the hell out of me that people seem so incapable of understanding context. Why would 50,000 people regularly shout abuse to the team they support? Sorry if it means something different to someone else, but it's not directed at them, nor with the meaning they are taking - it's directed positively towards our football club - any other meaning or direction taking by others is simply their misunderstanding.


So to answer your question, they don’t think it’s offensive and neither do I.

Have you told your police buddies that do, maybe they don't follow off topic, and the chairman of the club.

Unions, not all as I don't know, are taking a zero tolerance stance, no jokes, nothing, because there are always those that want to hide behind the, oh I was only joking, I have friends that are X from Y, and of course there are those that will push the envelope.

And how do you tell young kids not to use the various terms they hear being used, they don't know the history of the use of any particular term. The slimeball occupying #10  copies right wing nut jobs does he not?

[normal rules]

Do kids  in Australia understand what the word Pom or Pommie means?

[SydneyRover]

why?, I think you would have to add some detail to the question, our grandkids wouldn't have heard the term in fact it's rarely used, the only place I have seen it used in the past 10 years maybe is on the forum.

[SydneyRover]

tolerating abuse doesn't appear to have worked, we have a PM that can't control his mouth and comedian that wants to call it education, if it was not tolerated then this wouldn't happen or there would be consequences. Why don't we try zero tolerance for as long as abuse has been accepted and see how we go, that would be a fair call, no?

[drfchound]

tolerating abuse doesn't appear to have worked, we have a PM that can't control his mouth and comedian that wants to call it education, if it was not tolerated then this wouldn't happen or there would be consequences. Why don't we try zero tolerance for as long as abuse has been accepted and see how we go, that would be a fair call, no?

Why do we need to know what sort of PM you have in Australia?

[phil old leake]

It seems to me that a lot of the subject matter on this forum and in general areas of society relates to matters outside of the UK
Personal opinion from personal experience only and I’m  expecting to have people shoot me down but I genuinely believe we live in a very tolerant accepting society and the average man/woman in the street cares very little about peoples backgrounds sexual orientation gender or race. People want to get on
Sometimes it is alright to not like someone just because you don’t like them. It doesn’t mean you’ve got some kind of biased hate agenda
There are obviously problems with some but I believe that in general terms people aren’t biased towards people in a malicious way. There have obviously been historical issues in the past.
The media fuel a-lot of the problems with biased agenda driven reporting and there are people on this forum and in other areas that are far to quick to condone the many for the actions of the very few fueling disharmony disgruntlement and hatred
Let’s not forget that there are people of all walks of life who have made and still make mistakes and are not 100% perfect.
One persons mistake / issues doesn’t mean we all have the same issues

[Axholme Lion]

It seems to me that a lot of the subject matter on this forum and in general areas of society relates to matters outside of the UK
Personal opinion from personal experience only and I’m  expecting to have people shoot me down but I genuinely believe we live in a very tolerant accepting society and the average man/woman in the street cares very little about peoples backgrounds sexual orientation gender or race. People want to get on
Sometimes it is alright to not like someone just because you don’t like them. It doesn’t mean you’ve got some kind of biased hate agenda
There are obviously problems with some but I believe that in general terms people aren’t biased towards people in a malicious way. There have obviously been historical issues in the past.
The media fuel a-lot of the problems with biased agenda driven reporting and there are people on this forum and in other areas that are far to quick to condone the many for the actions of the very few fueling disharmony disgruntlement and hatred
Let’s not forget that there are people of all walks of life who have made and still make mistakes and are not 100% perfect.
One persons mistake / issues doesn’t mean we all have the same issues

Well said. Media stirring up shit where problems don't exist.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Straight white men telling black or gay people that discrimination doesn't exist.

You see the issue?

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Or disabled or neurodiverse people. They seem to get ignored. If you aren't black, from an ethnic minority or LGBTQ then you get ignored.

[phil old leake]

Billy

Or

None ethnic minority none gay none diverse people telling none ethnic minority none gay and none diverse people what it feels like to be in an ethnic minority group or to be gay or to be in some way diverse

You see the issue???