Modern life

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Have to admit i'm struggling a bit mentally at the moment.

I have been thinking that life has become so complex, complicated and polarized and i've been having a hard time adapting to what seems like relentless change.

Change in terms of technology. In terms of the advancements in social communication and 24/7 media.

I know life is all about change, but the pace and sheer scale of change in how we live our lives has been unprecedented in the last 20 years or so and i'm having difficulties with it and have for some time now. About 20 years.  How do you guys cope or manage or constantly adapt without letting it affect your mental health?

I'm a kid of the 80's / early 90's and there were no mobile phones, no internet and it was so easy back then. The pressures were pretty much limited to what brand of trainers you had.

I fear for my young un as the pressures these days are just so intense and immense, but i guess that is what they are growing up with so it's not a big deal to them. For the likes of my generation though, we've had to go from having a ZX Spectrum 48k and building rope swings over the lake in Cussy Park to having the world at our fingertips 24/7 and connectedness to what seems like everyone in the world rather than just the mates we used to hang around with.

My posts have been angry, negative, abrupt, dismissive, obnoxious, argumentative and repetitive for a while now. I'm aware of it. I'm having a hard time mentally but using these regressive ways of communicating aren't helpful, reasonable or mature. I hope some of you can accept this. Not as an excuse but as an explanation.

Anyway, how do you older gen folk deal with and embrace the rapid change of how we live our lives now and to the younger ones, how does it affect you and do you often wish for a simpler way of living?

Our brains aren't evolved enough to adapt to these changes so quickly i don't think. 

[River Don]

I had my first email account back in the early 90s at uni. I must admit I wasn't overly impressed with it at first. And the Internet certainly wasn't living up to the hype of virtual reality that was being imagined back then.

But right from the days of the Atari games console and a cathode ray tube I've been around digital technology. I've always worked behind a keyboard and I suppose I've constantly adapted as things have improved, without really having to think too much about it. I've never had the struggle my parents had in trying to adapt to digital technology.

I have found the changes on the high street quite shocking. I didn't like it when all the record shops shut down even though I was busy ripping CDs and sharing music files. And seeing so many high street stalwarts close their doors for the final time more recently was a jolt.

But really much in life stays much the same doesn't it? Hang on to that.

[Axholme Lion]

Just ignore it all. I don't have a smart phone or PC at home. The only SM i use is Millwall Online and the VSC Forum. I just carry on and say what i want the way i always did and if people can't handle it then that's their problem. I live like it's still the eighties.

[normal rules]

I’ve got two sons. 27 and 25.
They have phones, but they don’t care for them much except for work, which they cannot escape from.
When they were younger we spent a lot of time doing the very simple things in life.
Camping holidays.
Walking.
Climbing.
Fishing.
Playing sports.
Eating together.

You can have all the tech in the world, but nothing on a square thing can replicate a walk on the beach. A swim in the sea. Catching a fish. Getting to the top of a hill, even a small one. Sleeping under the stars.
My concern is that these days parents allow their kids to fall into bad habits.
Online gaming, tik tokking, following so called influencers, peer pressure created by social media trends. And don’t get me going on the much darker side of the internet such as suicide sites and these challenges where kids do very, very stupid and dangerous things.
I see kids on their way to school in the morning with their head in their phones oblivious to their surroundings.
They can tell you what handbag Colleen Rooney is currently sporting or what football boots Raheem sterling is wearing, but have no idea what the tree is called they have just walked past. Or no interest in it.
Parents and kids priorities have all been skewed. Stop worrying about what other people do, and just get on with your own.
Turn the telly off. Read a book. Go for a walk.
People should get back to basics. Life is a lot easier, and better IMO.
Many parents these days don’t even know what it is to sit around their table at night and eat a meal together. And talk to each other, because there is something “more important” to do.
So there is my advice. Get back to basics. The little, simple things really count in this so called modern world. They help to keep us grounded.

[normal rules]

It’s worth noting too that the human brain is a very powerful thing, more powerful than we can probably ever realise. Even those that specialise in the human brain don’t full understand everything about it.
So we have to treat it with some responsibility.
Don’t overload it.
Learn to “switch off” if that’s at all possible.
A good friend of mine from my army days has just put himself back on fb. He took a two year sabbatical away from everything to do with social media. He is a lot better off for it .
Perhaps it’s time to switch off the square thing?

[Colin C No.3]

Don’t let technology become the ‘little devil on your shoulder’ CDH.
I didn’t turn a computer on until I was in my late forties & had to due to my work. I was surrounded by ‘kids’ in their twenties, copy & pasting without a pair of scissors & a glue pot in sight!

Now I’m retired I let technology work for me, or not if I don’t.

Every company or organisation you have to deal with in life, utilities, councils, insurance companies etc all take it for granted that you will have access to a computer. Never was this brought so starkly to me than when I was attempting to recover an overpayment my then 94 year old mum was due from British Housing. The young girl on the other end of the phone asked me for mum’s email address!

As normal rules says, it really is possible to just ‘turn off’, use your mobile for texting or to make calls & forget tick tock, slapface, t**tter & all the other social media ‘treacle’ out there waiting to drag you under.

No need to give it all that much attention CDH. It’s not THAT important at our stage in life. We’re in retirement so don’t have to go into work thinking ‘Another day when I’ll be wearing the dunces cap’.

35 years ago we didn’t have mobile phones. I won’t have need of one in another 35. So enjoy life & concentrate on the things that bring you peace & contentment.

Here endeth the reading.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

Talking to my friends does me wonder when I feel shit.

Think my generation was the last to experience the true outdoors.

Out all day on the push rods, making jumps, ragging it about the woods etc.

Don't even see kids kicking a ball about anymore. Too busy on TikTok etc.

Worlds on it's arse.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Thanks for your replies. Some sage words of advice among them.

For the record, i don't actually use social media other than this site. I'm not on facebook / twitter etc and it is a good job i think.

One of my problems is judging people for anything and everything and this causes a cognitive bias towards dislike. I'm working on that now. For example, if i get some arsehole driving his car right up my backside (which happens a lot) then i gradually associate all motorists as idiots or potential idiots. Which is clearly ludicrous but it is what happens.

I tried the experiment this morning on the way to my kids school and realized that most motorists were just driving normally and courteously, and although there were quite a few knobheads about, the vast majority were driving with consideration to others.

My brain just notices the negative or the experiences that make me angry, such as a bad driver causing me problems and then they get amplified and cause a cognitive bias. Most drivers are normal and considerate and it is about perspective. This is something i am trying to address and think about before reacting or forming an opinion.

I guess it is also about learning various social skills. For example, i tend to dismiss and avoid people who have interests i find deplorable. So, if someone i meet liked grouse shooting or fox hunting then i'd eliminate them immediately from any further contact and label them a bad person even though i didn't know anything else about them.

If someone new i met told me they like boxing (which i hate) then i'd judge them as being stupid or trying to be masculine and want to avoid them based on that premise, even though they might be perfectly decent people with a wide range of qualities and things we might even have in common.
Living life like this and lacking these skills to accept differences in people is very tiring, stressful and difficult as automatic maladaptive biases or responses dictate my opinions on people. The problem is that although i am aware of it, the responses are so automatic and so black / white judgmental that it is hard to be objective about anything. Hey ho. I guess a lot of us are a bit weird in our own ways. 

About modern life is the way in which i find a lot of people seem to be shallow and just aren't happy unless they are living their lives through social media. Again, this is a cognitive distortion as in reality, most people aren't living their lives through the medium of social media. It just seems that way i guess if that makes sense.

Modern life also is so complicated these days too and so busy. Anything from getting your kid into a school, getting a doctors appointment, getting from A to B in a car without any hold ups, endless traffic lights, road signs, noise etc etc. Life seems cluttered these days wherever you go and i guess the advice about getting out into the quieter world is good.

Axholme is funny.    Live like it is still the 80's  Yeah. I would love to do that.

Thanks. I've had some really kind PM's from some posters after posting this and it just goes to show the tolerance, empathy and understanding total strangers can have for others. Even from people who might like Boxing!  I guess most people are good, decent people and it is best to focus on that and positive things rather than irrationally blanket dismiss the entirety of society just because of arrogant, ignorant and nasty people.

I've notice that by doing that, I then become those very same things. Which makes me one of those i am trying to avoid.

Like i said. Weird innit? 

[pib]

CDH. Great thread and some interesting points raised.

I'm a bit younger than you but can identify (or at least understand) many of the things you've said.

I too am a cynic and often see the bad in people or situations. Being self aware about what you're doing is the first step to improving your mindset so you've got one tick in the box there already. One thing I can vouch for is talking therapy. If you've got the means and willingness to sign up it can be really helpful in terms of re-framing thoughts, or just generally having someone non-judgemental to get shit off your chest to once a week.

With regards to social media, I didn't have it so much in my childhood but have lived most of my adult life with it. It's incredible how it drags you in. I think millions of people are addicted to it without even being conscious of it (especially my generation and younger) as it's got an incredible pull, for whatever reason. It's something that requires work and willpower to avoid wasting too much time on, if you have a smartphone in your pocket.

I know what you mean about the intensity and complication of life. It absolutely flies by doesn't it. Especially when you're working. I think it's about being strict with your time when you can, being a bit selfish and deliberately carving out time for yourself to do stuff that is good for you and improves your outlook. Exercising, seeing your mates, reading a book etc. As cheesy as it is I set myself targets at the start of the year. Not this resolution b*llocks, but just goals like "read X number of books this year" "Exercise for 45+ mins X number of times a week" or to learn a new skill, and then sticking the piece of paper up on the fridge or somewhere so you see it every day and hold yourself accountable.

[selby]

  Don't over complicate life, keep it simple do the things in life you like to do and spend time with the people you like to spend time with.
  Don't take first impressions of people as read, I find most people are the better for knowing and in a lot of cases your first impressions are completely wrong.
  Don't talk politics in the pub.

[normal rules]

There is a cracking video on YouTube by an American navy seal general . I think he addresses college leavers. It pretty inspirational. A bit cheesy, because he is a yank, but the messages within it are sound, clear and in my experience very valuable.
He starts with a very simple thing. Do at least one good thing properly every day. In his case start the day by making your bed. He goes on to list 9 other things you should strive to do.
Pretty good life advice.
https://youtu.be/TBuIGBCF9jc

[phil old leake]

Selby I’d go along with some of that

My old dad always said that good policy was to never discuss politics, never discuss religion and never to gamble with strangers

[BillyStubbsTears]

Every generation has felt like the world was changing too fast, but for the first time in history, I think this may well be true this time.

Futurologists like Ray Kurzweil have for decades been looking at the increase in the rate at which technological developments have been happening, and seeing that it is exponential - the technological "level" if you like, doubles at a constant rate.

When the level is low, human society can cope. The way we got our news changed and communicated with people otside our local group from Town Criers to mass produced newspapers, to telegraph systems, to telephones, to radio, to TV. That was a big technological shift, but happened over 150 years or so. Humans were able to cope. We've gone from TV and telephones to massive social media networks, pushing every news line imaginable in less than 2 decades. We've gone from mobile phones that you could barely text on, to ones that act as massive data trawlers, hoovering up every bit on info on you, from whem yo go for a walk, to what your preference in grot is, and passing that back to people you have never heard of to target you in ways that get you to do what they want without you even realising.

Kurzweil was saying back in the 90s that by the mid 21st century, human''s would no longer be able to cope with, or control this speed of technological change. There's a future coming over the next half century that few of us can even imagine, as the power and pervasiveness of computer control over the world continues  to accelerate. we are increasingly going to be unrequired for work and for decision making. The massive issue then is: Who benefits? And how are the proceeds spread out?

We could be on the verge of a utopia where AI and robots work for us and we can concentrate on all the avenues of human life that are opened up if you don't have to be a wage slave. Or we could be headed into a nightmare where a handful of people become wealthy and powerful beyond dreams and the rest of us just exist. Or don't.

[rich1471]

I found mountain biking really helped me to get out for a few hours in the fresh air and walking ,I don't use my computer at home much and only use it for work when I need to , my phone is used at a minimum and could quite easy give it up but need it for emergencies, if I need to switch of a put a pair of headphones on and just play music

[scawsby steve]

The secret is to go back to the things that used to happen around you in your childhood.

That's why you'll often see BB and Wolfie riding about in their horse and carts.

[River Don]

Every generation has felt like the world was changing too fast, but for the first time in history, I think this may well be true this time.

Futurologists like Ray Kurzweil have for decades been looking at the increase in the rate at which technological developments have been happening, and seeing that it is exponential - the technological "level" if you like, doubles at a constant rate.

When the level is low, human society can cope. The way we got our news changed and communicated with people otside our local group from Town Criers to mass produced newspapers, to telegraph systems, to telephones, to radio, to TV. That was a big technological shift, but happened over 150 years or so. Humans were able to cope. We've gone from TV and telephones to massive social media networks, pushing every news line imaginable in less than 2 decades. We've gone from mobile phones that you could barely text on, to ones that act as massive data trawlers, hoovering up every bit on info on you, from whem yo go for a walk, to what your preference in grot is, and passing that back to people you have never heard of to target you in ways that get you to do what they want without you even realising.

Kurzweil was saying back in the 90s that by the mid 21st century, human''s would no longer be able to cope with, or control this speed of technological change. There's a future coming over the next half century that few of us can even imagine, as the power and pervasiveness of computer control over the world continues  to accelerate. we are increasingly going to be unrequired for work and for decision making. The massive issue then is: Who benefits? And how are the proceeds spread out?

We could be on the verge of a utopia where AI and robots work for us and we can concentrate on all the avenues of human life that are opened up if you don't have to be a wage slave. Or we could be headed into a nightmare where a handful of people become wealthy and powerful beyond dreams and the rest of us just exist. Or don't.

Alvin Toffler predicted he difficulty in coping with change, in the 1970s with his book Future Shock.

A favourite tome of Detroit techno pioneers Cybotron, Juan Atkins and Richard 3070 Davies.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U3NfI9jbUGI

AI is a massive unknown and there aren't many safeguards being put in place. Nobody really knows what will happen when the machines become aware.

[River Don]

Speaking of future shocks...

I found that 5 seconds worth of footage of nuclear fusion, the Oxford team produced f**king profound.

One of the team explained if they can do it for 5 seconds then it's only a matter of time before they can completely control it. It's the most optimistic thing I've seen in a longtime. If that can be made to work then it will solve all the big problems...

The question is how long will it take to get it to work?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The secret is to go back to the things that used to happen around you in your childhood.

That's why you'll often see BB and Wolfie riding about in their horse and carts.

Oh aye!

Getting half setters chucked at you by the Proddy kids and having someone crucify a frog to a lolly stick raft and send it off down the Don sounds like a fantastic way to unwind.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Speaking of future shocks...

I found that 5 seconds worth of footage of nuclear fusion, the Oxford team produced f**king profound.

One of the team explained if they can do it for 5 seconds then it's only a matter of time before they can completely control it. It's the most optimistic thing I've seen in a longtime. If that can be made to work then it will solve all the big problems...

The question is how long will it take to get it to work?

It's quite humbling. In an era where ignorant rejection of scientific expertise is rife, these folks are opening the way to a limitless future.

The head of the French lab building the successor to the Oxford JET  says with luck we might have fusion power stations by 2055.

[normal rules]

As optimistic as nuclear fusion is, the flip side is the US, Chinese and Russians will develop a nuclear fusion weapon capable of not just destroying cities, but whole continents. With limitless power comes huge responsibility.
And they will spend billions on using such power to push the boundaries of space travel. And I shudder to think where that will end up.

[danumdon]

As optimistic as nuclear fusion is, the flip side is the US, Chinese and Russians will develop a nuclear fusion weapon capable of not just destroying cities, but whole continents. With limitless power comes huge responsibility.
And they will spend billions on using such power to push the boundaries of space travel. And I shudder to think where that will end up.

Its odds on that the superpowers and rouge states alike will be looking at the militaristic capabilities of this data, it may just become another more expensive nuclear arms race that will be required to maintain the current parity, nuclear destruction not being to anyone's liking.

In the meantime ordinary folk will get swallowed up by this never ending desire to stretch the envelope to its extremes leaving a big underclass behind, unable or not wishing to be swallowed up in this technology free for all. If the last 25 years have been a revolution of seismic proportions whats the next 25 got in store ?

[Colin C No.3]

As optimistic as nuclear fusion is, the flip side is the US, Chinese and Russians will develop a nuclear fusion weapon capable of not just destroying cities, but whole continents. With limitless power comes huge responsibility.
And they will spend billions on using such power to push the boundaries of space travel. And I shudder to think where that will end up.

Vulcan?

[DRFCSouth]

I reckon I'm of a similar age and can sympathise with what you're saying.

I do wonder if there is an element of you that would catastrophise things a little (always thinking the worst will happen etc). Or something you aren't in control of.

Try looking up stoicism. Some of these theories were developed by the Romans & Greeks thousands of years ago.

Also, as a modern day approach. Look up the likes of Jocko Willink (retired navy seal). He wrote a book called extreme ownership. I haven't read it, but this guy is very much in control of his life (or so it would appear from the outside).

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

I have a book on Stoicism by Jason Hemlock. I also bought a book on Epicureanism which i believe is another philosophy on life.

The thing about Stocism which i don't like is that it almost teaches you to do nothing about things that are making you sad, angry or whatever and just bat them off instead in order to keep the status quo mentally.

[Axholme Lion]

It's no good worrying about two things:

1) Something that has not happened.

2) Something that you cannot change or influence.

I find that following this makes you much happier.

[normal rules]

It's no good worrying about two things:

1) Something that has not happened.

2) Something that you cannot change or influence.

I find that following this makes you much happier.

I’d add another to that list.

Something that has happened.

[DRFCSouth]

I have a book on Stoicism by Jason Hemlock. I also bought a book on Epicureanism which i believe is another philosophy on life.

The thing about Stocism which i don't like is that it almost teaches you to do nothing about things that are making you sad, angry or whatever and just bat them off instead in order to keep the status quo mentally.

I agree there can be elements of it where you find it hard not to react to an event, like the ones you have mentioned.

What it seems to help me with is accepting whatever turns up is the chosen path. I think that coupled with other ways of changing perspective can work to some degree.

Occupying your mind with positive words & thoughts when a negative one is there can help. But again, this isn't easy, especially when you're in a rut.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

It's no good worrying about two things:

1) Something that has not happened.

2) Something that you cannot change or influence.

I find that following this makes you much happier.

I have read this before AL and it is a staple of counselling. However, there are things that do happen (as NR has said) and that you can't change or control that do have an effect.

For example, just say that every time i go to the Rovers, i seem to get sat around total numpties that not only cause me anxiety but also ruin my enjoyment of the game.

I could go and sit somewhere else of course but what if there was no opportunity to do that? Just say you were a Man U fan and every game home away is rammed to the rafters.

What if i had to make a decision to either go the game and endure 90 minutes of torture being sat around cretins or choose to not go at all. The former might have an affect because i will become anxious before going to a game and during the game i would build up anger. Not good for mental and physical health. The latter (opting not to go) might have an affect on my mental health because i would then have stopped doing something that gave me enjoyment.

I wouldn't be able to change this situation. I could make attempts to by complaining to the club, but i doubt anything would be done.

Therefore the behaviour of others (which i can't change and i can't get the club to do anything about) gives me a decision to make about an important aspect of my life. This creates resentment and anger which has a cumulative affect. Not just anger and frustration at the idiots causing the problems, but anger and frustration at the club for seemingly not helping and then anger and frustration at life as being unfair.

Tally up all the scenarios in daily life that you can't do anything about but that do have a big impact directly on your life and you can then get into a rut of hating everybody and everything.

Of course, the Stoic would just say either go to the footy or don't. No big deal. But this isn't the case is it? As it is a big deal. Stoicism teaches you to accept that many things in life are shit and you have to put up with them to build resilience, instead of teaching you that many things in life are shit because people make them shit for others and thus this needs to be changed.

Fighting against the system and others behaviour constantly can make you bitter, jaded, cynical and actually change your character from being a decent happy go lucky lad to a deeply unpleasant individual. The frustration being that it is the pursuit of trying to improve life for others that makes others turn on you because such a prolonged crusade eventually grinds you down and makes you an angry person. Which nobody wants to be near, understandably.

Another thing that happens to me regularly is that often in supermarket car parks, i take two car parking spaces. Not because i'm selfish but without fail, some t**t in a 4x4 or transit will park next to me and i am unable to actually get into the drivers side seat as the idiot has not left me any space to do so. Therefore i have to get in my car in the passenger side and get across.

It literally happens to me every time i go somewhere and leave my car. Some tool with a large vehicle will not even consider how they have parked. Even if the car park is not that busy and i make sure i park at the back furthest from the entrance, guaranteed some bonehead will park a massive vehicle next to me and make it difficult for me to get into my car.

So therefore, i have to commit a selfish act in order to avoid another person's selfish act but my intention wasn't one of wanting to be selfish. It was to avoid another person's selfishness.

[Axholme Lion]

It's no good worrying about two things:

1) Something that has not happened.

2) Something that you cannot change or influence.

I find that following this makes you much happier.

I have read this before AL and it is a staple of counselling. However, there are things that do happen (as NR has said) and that you can't change or control that do have an effect.

For example, just say that every time i go to the Rovers, i seem to get sat around total numpties that not only cause me anxiety but also ruin my enjoyment of the game.

I could go and sit somewhere else of course but what if there was no opportunity to do that? Just say you were a Man U fan and every game home away is rammed to the rafters.

What if i had to make a decision to either go the game and endure 90 minutes of torture being sat around cretins or choose to not go at all. The former might have an affect because i will become anxious before going to a game and during the game i would build up anger. Not good for mental and physical health. The latter (opting not to go) might have an affect on my mental health because i would then have stopped doing something that gave me enjoyment.

I wouldn't be able to change this situation. I could make attempts to by complaining to the club, but i doubt anything would be done.

Therefore the behaviour of others (which i can't change and i can't get the club to do anything about) gives me a decision to make about an important aspect of my life. This creates resentment and anger which has a cumulative affect. Not just anger and frustration at the idiots causing the problems, but anger and frustration at the club for seemingly not helping and then anger and frustration at life as being unfair.

Tally up all the scenarios in daily life that you can't do anything about but that do have a big impact directly on your life and you can then get into a rut of hating everybody and everything.

Of course, the Stoic would just say either go to the footy or don't. No big deal. But this isn't the case is it? As it is a big deal. Stoicism teaches you to accept that many things in life are shit and you have to put up with them to build resilience, instead of teaching you that many things in life are shit because people make them shit for others and thus this needs to be changed.

Fighting against the system and others behaviour constantly can make you bitter, jaded, cynical and actually change your character from being a decent happy go lucky lad to a deeply unpleasant individual. The frustration being that it is the pursuit of trying to improve life for others that makes others turn on you because such a prolonged crusade eventually grinds you down and makes you an angry person. Which nobody wants to be near, understandably.

Another thing that happens to me regularly is that often in supermarket car parks, i take two car parking spaces. Not because i'm selfish but without fail, some t**t in a 4x4 or transit will park next to me and i am unable to actually get into the drivers side seat as the idiot has not left me any space to do so. Therefore i have to get in my car in the passenger side and get across.

It literally happens to me every time i go somewhere and leave my car. Some tool with a large vehicle will not even consider how they have parked. Even if the car park is not that busy and i make sure i park at the back furthest from the entrance, guaranteed some bonehead will park a massive vehicle next to me and make it difficult for me to get into my car.

So therefore, i have to commit a selfish act in order to avoid another person's selfish act but my intention wasn't one of wanting to be selfish. It was to avoid another person's selfishness.

I always park in the furthest parking space from the supermarket doors! My Mrs goes mad with me. Even then there's always a rusty old Transit van with the doors hanging off parked at the side of me when i come back.
I know what you mean about idiots at the match. Recently when we went to Peterborough away there was a really annoying young idiot stood near us giving it the big 'un all afternoon. The OB had their eye on him all the game.We just stood further away from him. It was funny because at the end one of our older lot went down and had a word with him to explain the error of his ways in no uncertain way. The lad shit his pants and the police looked the other way.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Yes me too. I deliberately go to the back of the supermarket car park to avoid all the carnage. Yet guaranteed there will be a van or something parked right next to me when i get back to my car, despite there being loads of other free spaces.

I especially find fascinating the drivers who spend ages trying to maneuver their car into the first spot they arrive at, even though that spot is between two parked cars and is tight as a ducks arse.

Then i watch them physically struggle to get themselves out of their own car door!

Yet literally 10 yards further up there is more space than is on the moon! Baffles me some aspects of human behaviour. People making something hugely more difficult for themselves than it need be. Truly bizarre.

Another thing that always happens to me is i'll pull into a car park or even a lay by to have 5 minutes peace and maybe eat something and then minutes later, some tit will pull up right alongside me and then proceed to stay in their car with music on and the engine running for ages. Meaning i then have to move my car again.