Maybe this will help restore faith and pride in the police.

[SydneyRover]

Here's a few tasters NR

https://theconversation.com/jacks-and-jokers-bjelke-petersen-and-queenslands-police-state-24700


Police are out of control and the government doesn't seem to care

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-are-out-of-control-and-the-government-doesn-t-seem-to-care-20180405-p4z7x2.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rogerson


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Murder_(miniseries)

[SydneyRover]

Do u mind me asking what you did for a living ?

labourer to business owner with many diversions along the way.

[drfchound]

I have as the first to respond but you will have forgotten that.   Fourth can probably.
Anyway I getting off your hook now. Things to do back here in the uk.

I tried to give you credit with your first comment but was wrong it appears you are silly enough to think that all people are the same, debate the points or stick the dummy back in.

I would be happy to put the dummy back in SR but you are much to far away.  Can’t you get someone else to do it for you.

[danumdon]

This all sounds like another job creation racket that will produce absolutely nothing but duplication in the police's HR policy's and procedures whilst at the same time managing to demotivate the police who have to take flack from all directions from political agitators as it already does.

As NR says the police know they have internal problems and issues which need to resolved but to link a new newfangled licensing system is open to massive corruption from vested interests in certain rotten boroughs.

The public at large know the police have a massive job on their hands, they have a unique position in society and that means the spotlight shines brighter on them to get things right, we are all aware of examples of poor performance, incompetence and also corruption but i would wager a large bet that if they were ever to placed at the mercy of further discredited doctrines then we would all be sleeping less safe in our beds on a night.

Politely ask then to stick their control freak idea's where the sun don't shine.

[Sprotyrover]

I have as the first to respond but you will have forgotten that.   Fourth can probably.
Anyway I getting off your hook now. Things to do back here in the uk.

I tried to give you credit with your first comment but was wrong it appears you are silly enough to think that all people are the same, debate the points or stick the dummy back in.

SYD’s a TROLL fol de roll!

[Sprotyrover]

I think licensing could be a good thing,sacking an under achiever is hard work, plus give em a big pay rise to get some top quality recruits.

[BobG]

Sproty, genuinely. What's that?? I got no idea what you're on about.

BobG

[Sprotyrover]

Sproty, genuinely. What's that?? I got no idea what you're on about.

BobG
I can just see it Bob, Mrs Tito Fallar the Guardian reading libertine ,
Accesses two Police offices to re licence, Pc Smith fails cos he has only arrested 10 miscreants and they were all black! Pc Jones passes cos he has arrested 50 miscreants and they are 95% White.so
Pc Smith fails cos he is a Racist and Pc jones passes co he /she isn't,
However Titty Fallar wil fail to take into account that Pc Smith works in Lambeth and Jones works in Richmond on Thames!

[SydneyRover]

I have as the first to respond but you will have forgotten that.   Fourth can probably.
Anyway I getting off your hook now. Things to do back here in the uk.

I tried to give you credit with your first comment but was wrong it appears you are silly enough to think that all people are the same, debate the points or stick the dummy back in.

SYD’s a TROLL fol de roll!

the spot from sprot speaks

[SydneyRover]

I think licensing could be a good thing,sacking an under achiever is hard work, plus give em a big pay rise to get some top quality recruits.

The current thinking could achieve both sprot.

....... ''Police Foundation thinktank, contains 56 recommendations urging radical reform to police culture, skills and training, and organisational structure''

........ ''The licence should be renewed every five years, subject to an officer demonstrating professional development through achieving relevant qualifications, passing an interview, or presenting a portfolio of activities and achievements, the report said''

Any officer who fails this assessment could receive further support including mentoring, but successive failures would see their licence removed and they would no longer be able to work, the report adds.

Barber also calls for improved training and support for sergeants and inspectors so that they are equipped to provide stronger supervision, tackle poor conduct and call out bad behaviour among officers''

....... ''Among other recommendations are the creation of a new Crime Prevention Agency and the merger of back-office functions across the 43 forces of England and Wales, which Barber argues would save hundreds of millions of pounds. Investment in frontline policing is also on the list, as is training and technology to modernise the service from top to bottom''

''“Investing in the future of the service, with a focus on delivering improved outcomes for victims and strengthening local policing, are priorities for every force''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/07/police-officers-should-work-under-licence-to-restore-trust-report-for-england-and-wales

''THE FINAL REPORT OF THE STRATEGIC REVIEW OF POLICING IN ENGLAND AND WALES''

https://www.policingreview.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/srpew_final_report.pdf

[phil old leake]

I’m just trying to think about how the country is going to work in the world of some

1 copper commits a heinous crime so they’re now all evil

Are all GPs evil because of Shipman. Maybe all DJs should be licences because of Jimmy Saville
All football fans should be licences and have to prove they’re not racist or phobic before they’re allowed to enter a ground
All prisoner officers must be bent because some sneak stuff in for prisoners
All labourers must be thieves because one or two steal off site
All nurses should have to be licenced because of Lesley Allott
Maybe all musicians should be licenced because of G Glitter
Football should be banned because 1 or 2 players drink and drive and some rape people so they must all be the same and so it goes on

[drfchound]

Bang on Phil.
I suppose we can’t avoid some people having a problem with the police.
Maybe something from the past causes hatred and can’t be wiped from their memory.
Sydney does seem to incessantly post anti police stuff for reasons best known to himself but in time of need I wonder whether he would call on them to help?
Your list of what ifs is testament though to what may need to be considered in other areas if the same train of thought being suggested for police officers is implemented.

[SydneyRover]

I’m just trying to think about how the country is going to work in the world of some

1 copper commits a heinous crime so they’re now all evil

Are all GPs evil because of Shipman. Maybe all DJs should be licences because of Jimmy Saville
All football fans should be licences and have to prove they’re not racist or phobic before they’re allowed to enter a ground
All prisoner officers must be bent because some sneak stuff in for prisoners
All labourers must be thieves because one or two steal off site
All nurses should have to be licenced because of Lesley Allott
Maybe all musicians should be licenced because of G Glitter
Football should be banned because 1 or 2 players drink and drive and some rape people so they must all be the same and so it goes on

I guess you haven't read the report phil, it would have saved you some embarrassment .................. again.

[phil old leake]

 I take every topic and subject on its own merit and have personal held beliefs. I cannot fathom narrow minded thinking on any subject

I’m not an out and out anti anything bigot unlike some who would support anything a political party did because it was anti another one or consistently anti any particular profession or role.

I cannot also not fathom anyone with a totally unhealthy dislike or hatred of anything.

I also struggle to understand why you are so interested in this country when you chose to abandon it and emigrate.

If the happenings in our very open, tolerant inclusive and giving country means that much why not return and fight the system

[SydneyRover]

I take every topic and subject on its own merit and have personal held beliefs. I cannot fathom narrow minded thinking on any subject

I’m not an out and out anti anything bigot unlike some who would support anything a political party did because it was anti another one or consistently anti any particular profession or role.

I cannot also not fathom anyone with a totally unhealthy dislike or hatred of anything.

I also struggle to understand why you are so interested in this country when you chose to abandon it and emigrate.

If the happenings in our very open, tolerant inclusive and giving country means that much why not return and fight the system

Confirmed then, you didn't read it. Making all these uninformed comments and concentrating on 1 of 56 recommendations, but you are not on your own phil I think few that are commenting on this subject have read it.

[drfchound]

I take every topic and subject on its own merit and have personal held beliefs. I cannot fathom narrow minded thinking on any subject

I’m not an out and out anti anything bigot unlike some who would support anything a political party did because it was anti another one or consistently anti any particular profession or role.

I cannot also not fathom anyone with a totally unhealthy dislike or hatred of anything.

I also struggle to understand why you are so interested in this country when you chose to abandon it and emigrate.

If the happenings in our very open, tolerant inclusive and giving country means that much why not return and fight the system

Confirmed then, you didn't read it. Making all these uninformed comments and concentrating on 1 of 56 recommendations, but you are not on your own phil I think few that are comment on this subject haven't read it either.

Eh?

[phil old leake]

Eh

[SydneyRover]

Eh

I can never make sense of what hound says either

[phil old leake]

I think you misunderstood my eh

[SydneyRover]

Phil old leake

''I also struggle to understand why you are so interested in this country when you chose to abandon it and emigrate''

You do know the report only pertains to England and Wales and not Northern Ireland don't you?

[SydneyRover]

I think you misunderstood my eh

I never misunderstand ehs where hound is concerned

[drfchound]

I think you misunderstood my eh

I never misunderstand ehs where hound is concerned

Strange that as I never use it.

[SydneyRover]

In a nutshell most who are commenting on this subject have not:

Read the report

Do not know why it was commissioned

Do not know who wrote it

Do not know to whom it is addressing

And of course what 55 of the 56 recommendations are.

[phil old leake]

Unfortunately you once again show your total lack of understanding

The report does refer to England and Wales. N Ireland is part of the United Kingdom so anything as radical as this would cascade it’s way down to all forces

FYI I did not abandon my country and moving to N Ireland isn’t what I would call emigrating.

I am proud of my country and am proud to call myself British, English and Yorkshire

Anyway you carry on slating our wonderful country. We can all await your next anti establishment anti British thread. 

The one thing about them is they do make me chuckle

[SydneyRover]

Are you and hound a double act?

''At the present time, police officers have no powers to work in each other's jurisdiction, and both the Northern Ireland Office and the Minister of Justice have stated that there are no plans to allow them to do so''

[phil old leake]

Is that correct

I’m so glad of your knowledge. I’ll tear up the  policing and crime bill

[SydneyRover]

Just read the report phil then you may have at least a measure of understanding.

[SydneyRover]

Unfortunately you once again show your total lack of understanding

The report does refer to England and Wales. N Ireland is part of the United Kingdom so anything as radical as this would cascade it’s way down to all forces

FYI I did not abandon my country and moving to N Ireland isn’t what I would call emigrating.

I am proud of my country and am proud to call myself British, English and Yorkshire

Anyway you carry on slating our wonderful country. We can all await your next anti establishment anti British thread. 

The one thing about them is they do make me chuckle

you are selby and I demand my fiver

[SydneyRover]

You're a bit of a conundrum phil, on here you are disagreeing with reforms to the police service of England and Wales where you have shown to have little or no understanding, reforms that attempt to bring the police service into this century. It would increase numbers, training, diversity, cognitive diversity, upgrade technology, put emphasis in the areas of greatest need, champion crime prevention, community policing and much much more and on the other thread you are undermining the courts and justice system.

[SydneyRover]

And I thought it was just me, well I didn't, it's just common sense .......................

''UK public do not believe government will tackle crime, documents show
Government polling finds a high fear of crime and little confidence anything will be done about it''

''The Home Office documents reveals polling carried out for the government found a high fear of crime, and low confidence much will be done about it.

The leak reveals the public are not convinced by a series of flagship initiatives by Boris Johnson’s administration on law on order, such as the Beating Crime plan.

It comes despite government efforts to distance themselves from a decade of Conservative cuts to the police and the criminal justice system.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/04/uk-public-do-not-believe-government-will-tackle-crime-documents-show