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i_ateallthepies

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #30 on April 19, 2022, 05:55:56 pm by i_ateallthepies »
Surely we’ve realised how good their interviews are is irrelevent.
Sod gave bad interviews but was a genius, dickov gave good interviews but was poor.



Dickos, I disagree with much of what you write on here but I let it go because there are plenty of others weighing in against you but that one statement tells all we need to know about you.  Sod didn't give bad interviews, he gave intelligent, insightful interviews that required us to actually listen to the words spoken instead of judging his him purely on the tone of his voice.



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scawsby steve

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #31 on April 19, 2022, 07:01:52 pm by scawsby steve »
I don’t know the budget he was given but you can see from what he brought in it wasn’t big. Experienced free transfers and young kids on loan.

Those experienced free transfers and young kids on loan playing for free, are they?  8 players' wages is a heck of an investment

We won't have been paying much towards the wages of the young kids on loan, if anything at all.

Their clubs send them to us as part of their development.

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #32 on April 19, 2022, 10:27:14 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
Surely we’ve realised how good their interviews are is irrelevent.
Sod gave bad interviews but was a genius, dickov gave good interviews but was poor.



Dickos, I disagree with much of what you write on here but I let it go because there are plenty of others weighing in against you but that one statement tells all we need to know about you.  Sod didn't give bad interviews, he gave intelligent, insightful interviews that required us to actually listen to the words spoken instead of judging his him purely on the tone of his voice.

100% there's a difference between boring and bad. Listen to a SOD interview and you can tell he's got a plan for the team. GM is just saying whatever comes into his head to get the interview over. We're just wasting a preseason and an opportunity to rebuild by sticking with the status quo. And that goes deeper than GM as many other posts have pointed out.

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #33 on April 19, 2022, 10:45:26 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
I would take SOD back today. At least he would have a plan. He would know how he wanted to play and get players in who would fit his way of playing.
I couldn’t give a monkeys how long he has been out of the game. He was crystal clear how he wanted to play. It’s the best football I’ve seen a rovers side play.

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #34 on April 20, 2022, 12:18:27 am by Bessie Red »
We needed more experience in January, we got mostly kids. That is one of the reasons we haven’t had a consistent run of good results. We’ve lacked a hard core at the back. We need a proper experienced centre back to play alongside Olowu.
We needed an experienced goalkeeper, we still do. We needed goals from midfield, really Tommy Rowe is the only one who has produced from there.

The manager needed to pick Griffiths and Odubeko up front together, he has preferred to pick only one, the reason being he has tried to have an extra midfielder in there to protect the defence. If we had recruited experienced players he wouldn’t have needed to do that. The budget he was given has been the killer in our fortune’s.
Maybe the problem was trying to protect a vulnerable defence over utilising a decent midfield to create goals. 2nd half yesterday with 2 front men we scored 3 in 45mins.

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #35 on April 20, 2022, 12:49:06 am by Sammy Chung was King »
Yes I understand why he has tried to protect the defence. It has tightened up the goals conceded, but it’s made us impotent up front.
We looked a lot better as you said Bessie, with two up top.

i_ateallthepies

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« Reply #36 on April 20, 2022, 08:40:51 am by i_ateallthepies »
We looked a lot better because the opposition decided at 3-0 up they could give us the ball and sit back and watch.

roversdude

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« Reply #37 on April 20, 2022, 09:04:45 am by roversdude »
Don’t think they meant to watch as much as they did then

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« Reply #38 on April 20, 2022, 09:28:46 am by Donnybax »
It’s the complete lack of game plan for me. If we were losing but you could see what he was trying to do I wouldn’t mind. His most used game plan has been to stick 10 men behind the ball and hope Martin can do something.

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #39 on April 20, 2022, 10:23:34 am by ravenrover »
I would take SOD back today. At least he would have a plan. He would know how he wanted to play and get players in who would fit his way of playing.
I couldn’t give a monkeys how long he has been out of the game. He was crystal clear how he wanted to play. It’s the best football I’ve seen a rovers side play.
And I wonder what those players would cost and what their wages would be. Yes SOD built a wonderful footballing team but at what cost?

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« Reply #40 on April 20, 2022, 06:43:25 pm by Rovers91 »
The tweet I saw yesterday where GM has made a sub 18 times in 26 games either at half time or before shows how much he is not setting the team up correctly. I have absolutely no confidence in him next season.

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #41 on April 20, 2022, 07:01:50 pm by Campsall rover »
We looked a lot better because the opposition decided at 3-0 up they could give us the ball and sit back and watch.
Cotterill should be sacked for that. Tactical incompetence don’t you think?  ;)

Campsall rover

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« Reply #42 on April 20, 2022, 07:13:34 pm by Campsall rover »
Yes I understand why he has tried to protect the defence. It has tightened up the goals conceded, but it’s made us impotent up front.
We looked a lot better as you said Bessie, with two up top.
Think we have been impotent up front for about 40 games SCK 

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #43 on April 20, 2022, 07:28:34 pm by Upton Rover »
Lots of negatives for the season for sure.

But GM Will build us a team / club

this man is as hard as nails .


Join me and enjoy the ride back to league one.
have you been taking illegal substance’s

Alan Southstand

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #44 on April 20, 2022, 07:57:19 pm by Alan Southstand »
No confidence at all in GM, but he’s just another busted cog in the works.

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #45 on April 20, 2022, 08:03:10 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
If managers are given runner beans for funding, don’t expect a green giant growing any time soon. The board have got exactly what they budgeted for, a manager and players that have failed.

They did it on the cheap and now have their reward. Eight players brought in yes, but very cheap loan signings and free transfers that were left over after everyone had, had a look.

Campsall rover

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« Reply #46 on April 20, 2022, 09:19:29 pm by Campsall rover »
If managers are given runner beans for funding, don’t expect a green giant growing any time soon. The board have got exactly what they budgeted for, a manager and players that have failed.

They did it on the cheap and now have their reward. Eight players brought in yes, but very cheap loan signings and free transfers that were left over after everyone had, had a look.
14th largest budget = 23rd in the league. Think the budget wasn’t spent very well.
6 key players injured for the majority of the season.
Sorry 14 does not = 23 Can’t blame the board for that. As in my post on the other thread we are financially stable which is more than can be said for a huge no of clubs.
We are now in a position to build due to the prudence of our board during the pandemic when revenue decreased very substantially.

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« Reply #47 on April 20, 2022, 09:25:28 pm by roversdude »
Sammy are you privy to how much the loan signings cost - genuine question
Mitchell, Clayton (once fit) and Griffiths decent signings, Agard on paper should have been decent

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #48 on April 20, 2022, 11:34:16 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
No I know no more than you. But what I do know is the type of players we signed on loan don’t cost hardly anything, if their club wants anything at all. Their clubs want them to get experience at a team where they will start games.

Clayton as good a player as he is hadn’t  played for a long time before he joined us. He will have just wanted to be involved at a club again. So his wage demands will have been much lower than usual.

Agard looked like a decent stop gap signing. Experienced but hadn’t been playing. Out of those mentioned he will be on the highest wage.

He just hasn’t worked out. The manager must have seen him train, and he wasn’t what he thought he was getting . Players can ‘lose their legs’ all of a sudden then you have them contracted up and it’s too late.

Campsall rover

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« Reply #49 on April 21, 2022, 12:46:06 am by Campsall rover »
No I know no more than you. But what I do know is the type of players we signed on loan don’t cost hardly anything, if their club wants anything at all. Their clubs want them to get experience at a team where they will start games.

Clayton as good a player as he is hadn’t  played for a long time before he joined us. He will have just wanted to be involved at a club again. So his wage demands will have been much lower than usual.

Agard looked like a decent stop gap signing. Experienced but hadn’t been playing. Out of those mentioned he will be on the highest wage.

He just hasn’t worked out. The manager must have seen him train, and he wasn’t what he thought he was getting . Players can ‘lose their legs’ all of a sudden then you have them contracted up and it’s too late.
You seem to know a lot. How do you know Agard will be on the most money. I very much doubt he will be.

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #50 on April 21, 2022, 02:28:48 am by Sammy Chung was King »
I would think him and Clayton are on round about the same, Agard just slightly more.
We had our pants pulled down with that deal. It smacks of a rushed deal and not looking too much into whether he still had it.

He wasn’t a regular starter at his previous club. Very patchy what he has achieved. He has been a good player in the past, no doubt.
I don’t know him personally.

 Is it a move he regrets making and is unhappy. Have the legs gone?. Is his attitude not the best?, though I hear he has a good attitude. Sometimes moves just don’t work out.

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« Reply #51 on April 21, 2022, 07:59:39 am by drfchound »
I am told that Agard has had a history of a recurring Achilles injury.
Could that be the problem that is causing him to miss games, and training.

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« Reply #52 on April 21, 2022, 08:22:54 am by Sammy Chung was King »
Bad injury to have, a lot pressure goes onto that point, if it’s a weakness he’s bound to struggle.

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« Reply #53 on April 21, 2022, 11:55:05 am by jamesrover17 »
I am told that Agard has had a history of a recurring Achilles injury.
Could that be the problem that is causing him to miss games, and training.

He has tore his hamstring hasn't he?

roversdude

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« Reply #54 on April 21, 2022, 07:15:28 pm by roversdude »
Was definitely holding his hamstring at Fleetwood, not to say he hasn’t got Achilles problem too

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« Reply #55 on April 21, 2022, 08:44:35 pm by colincramb »
The problem is we’ve seen on more than one occasion players on the pitch openly question his instructions, or be very confused about what he wants them to do.

On top of this, there’s been several must win games where we have changed personnel at halftime because he’s got it badly wrong from the start. This is professional football. I understand there are occasions when things have gone badly wrong and a change a halftime is needed but that really should be the exception. GM has done this on at least 3/4 occasions in 4 months.

To me that just stinks of inexperience. Are we really in a position where a manager should be making so many mistakes in such crucial matches?

 

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #56 on April 21, 2022, 11:25:55 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
It takes a big man to admit mistakes, but also sometimes you have to have faith in the plan you put out.
Let’s be fair there have been games where tactically he has been spot on, some of those were defeats as well.
He has also made bad errors with team selection and tactics. He has been indecisive at times.

He’s had nobody of experience helping him really. Lee Carsley who hasn’t managed in league football apart that is. He didn’t need gimmicks ,he needed proper been there and done it help, he didn’t get that.

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« Reply #57 on April 22, 2022, 10:49:48 am by colincramb »
It takes a big man to admit mistakes, but also sometimes you have to have faith in the plan you put out.
Let’s be fair there have been games where tactically he has been spot on, some of those were defeats as well.
He has also made bad errors with team selection and tactics. He has been indecisive at times.

He’s had nobody of experience helping him really. Lee Carsley who hasn’t managed in league football apart that is. He didn’t need gimmicks ,he needed proper been there and done it help, he didn’t get that.

Sammy, if he needed that much help and guidance, why on earth did we appoint him as manager? Surely an assistant post alongside a more experienced head would have been more sensible, with a view to GM taking over the reigns in a couple of years. That’s what succession planning is. What it isn’t is putting rookies into posts they aren’t qualified or ready for.

The senior leaders need to own that mistake I’m afraid.

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Re: This man WILL take us forward
« Reply #58 on April 22, 2022, 12:18:11 pm by RugbyRover »
I see Man Utd have just appointed a new coach. Reading the views of some experts today, they reckon it'll take him three seasons to turn things around. Had to chuckle to myself. Three months here, and most of you lot would be sending him down the road.

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« Reply #59 on April 22, 2022, 12:35:08 pm by RoversAlias »
I see Man Utd have just appointed a new coach. Reading the views of some experts today, they reckon it'll take him three seasons to turn things around. Had to chuckle to myself. Three months here, and most of you lot would be sending him down the road.

If Ten Hag doesn't turn things around much faster than that, he won't last close to 3 years in the job. In fact, Man Utd haven't held a manager in post for three full years since Ferguson retired.

Football is not a sport for long term appointments anymore.

 

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