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Quote from: drfchound on May 16, 2022, 01:55:13 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 16, 2022, 01:49:54 pmQuote from: Alan Southstand on May 16, 2022, 12:10:27 pmRemind me again how much Brentford will be getting next season, bfyp?Lots indeed. But if you want to be Brentford how many clubs can risk a £41.5m wage budget. Is that seriously what you'd want us to do?To add to that Bournemouth had a wage bill of £58m that year and didn't get promoted. In the premier League their wage bill was over £100m. They probably spent not far off on wages in a week what we spend in a year. Staggering figures.I’ve lost track of how much money that PL clubs get from sky these days, is it around £160m.If it is then I think a wage bill of £41.5m isn’t too extreme.I wouldn’t be too concerned if Rovers were in their position.Would you be worried in Derby's position to name but one?:
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 16, 2022, 01:49:54 pmQuote from: Alan Southstand on May 16, 2022, 12:10:27 pmRemind me again how much Brentford will be getting next season, bfyp?Lots indeed. But if you want to be Brentford how many clubs can risk a £41.5m wage budget. Is that seriously what you'd want us to do?To add to that Bournemouth had a wage bill of £58m that year and didn't get promoted. In the premier League their wage bill was over £100m. They probably spent not far off on wages in a week what we spend in a year. Staggering figures.I’ve lost track of how much money that PL clubs get from sky these days, is it around £160m.If it is then I think a wage bill of £41.5m isn’t too extreme.I wouldn’t be too concerned if Rovers were in their position.
Quote from: Alan Southstand on May 16, 2022, 12:10:27 pmRemind me again how much Brentford will be getting next season, bfyp?Lots indeed. But if you want to be Brentford how many clubs can risk a £41.5m wage budget. Is that seriously what you'd want us to do?To add to that Bournemouth had a wage bill of £58m that year and didn't get promoted. In the premier League their wage bill was over £100m. They probably spent not far off on wages in a week what we spend in a year. Staggering figures.
Remind me again how much Brentford will be getting next season, bfyp?
I would have thought it was fairly clear 'he was never keen on people outside the club telling him how to run it' were err, the people outsside the club who were criticising him and his appointments/actions during his running the club.
Quote from: drfchound on May 16, 2022, 01:55:13 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 16, 2022, 01:49:54 pmQuote from: Alan Southstand on May 16, 2022, 12:10:27 pmRemind me again how much Brentford will be getting next season, bfyp?Lots indeed. But if you want to be Brentford how many clubs can risk a £41.5m wage budget. Is that seriously what you'd want us to do?To add to that Bournemouth had a wage bill of £58m that year and didn't get promoted. In the premier League their wage bill was over £100m. They probably spent not far off on wages in a week what we spend in a year. Staggering figures.I’ve lost track of how much money that PL clubs get from sky these days, is it around £160m.If it is then I think a wage bill of £41.5m isn’t too extreme.I wouldn’t be too concerned if Rovers were in their position.All well and good but say that takes 3 years to gain promotion. You've a £25-30m a year cash gap to bridge. Assume 4-5% interest on that debt adds another £1.5m ish. Over 3 seasons that's £100m in cash and that's assuming break even on transfer fees. Even then you may not make it (these numbers not far off what Sheffield Wednesday were relegated with).So to have a go, do you know anyone with a spare £100m+ to gamble?You're also not getting that money back ever, promotion is fine but as In Bournemouth's place that £100m needs to be spent to even have a sniff.
DBR, with all due respect, you’re missing the point I was trying to make. In the same way you don’t like references to Brentford, I don’t like references to Scunny, Bury, etc. because it suits whatever agendas people want to push.My overriding concern though, is, if we’re a well run Club and everything is ticketyboo, why are we in such a mess? Maybe we will get back on track, who knows!
Quote from: Fal on May 16, 2022, 01:39:10 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 16, 2022, 12:05:14 pmAs pissed off as we were with JR's experiment of free agents?Christ Glyn, you sound fun at parties. Everything and anything you have an issue with unless it meets your belief.Anyhow, I had two thoughts on the experiment, firstly that I was seeing players that never in a million years would anyone have said they would play for Doncaster Rovers, el Hadji diouf being one, yes he had a bad attitude but was a damn good footballer and in some cases he was a pleasure to watch. That for me I was excited to see….However, on the flip side as was quite rightly pointed out, these players didn’t care for the club and spoilt the team morale which sadly ended up with us getting relegated and that is something that we don’t want to see at the club.Were you watching the same experiment I was? El Hadji Diouf was the only one of them who DIDN'T have a bad attitude.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 16, 2022, 12:05:14 pmAs pissed off as we were with JR's experiment of free agents?Christ Glyn, you sound fun at parties. Everything and anything you have an issue with unless it meets your belief.Anyhow, I had two thoughts on the experiment, firstly that I was seeing players that never in a million years would anyone have said they would play for Doncaster Rovers, el Hadji diouf being one, yes he had a bad attitude but was a damn good footballer and in some cases he was a pleasure to watch. That for me I was excited to see….However, on the flip side as was quite rightly pointed out, these players didn’t care for the club and spoilt the team morale which sadly ended up with us getting relegated and that is something that we don’t want to see at the club.
As pissed off as we were with JR's experiment of free agents?
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on May 16, 2022, 02:33:48 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 16, 2022, 01:55:13 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 16, 2022, 01:49:54 pmQuote from: Alan Southstand on May 16, 2022, 12:10:27 pmRemind me again how much Brentford will be getting next season, bfyp?Lots indeed. But if you want to be Brentford how many clubs can risk a £41.5m wage budget. Is that seriously what you'd want us to do?To add to that Bournemouth had a wage bill of £58m that year and didn't get promoted. In the premier League their wage bill was over £100m. They probably spent not far off on wages in a week what we spend in a year. Staggering figures.I’ve lost track of how much money that PL clubs get from sky these days, is it around £160m.If it is then I think a wage bill of £41.5m isn’t too extreme.I wouldn’t be too concerned if Rovers were in their position.Would you be worried in Derby's position to name but one?:Yes of course, but I was talking about being in Brentford’s position in the PL.Anything beyond that wasn’t mentioned.Obviously Derby have gone way beyond where Brentford are with their wage bill.
Did he say anything about the contribution Watson and Bramall made, without them we wouldnt have made it to the championship.
Quote from: wilts rover on May 16, 2022, 06:28:08 pmI would have thought it was fairly clear 'he was never keen on people outside the club telling him how to run it' were err, the people outsside the club who were criticising him and his appointments/actions during his running the club. But what's that got to do with this interview?
Quote from: drfc1951 on May 17, 2022, 11:10:26 amDid he say anything about the contribution Watson and Bramall made, without them we wouldnt have made it to the championship.In the bits I listened to, as well as the scathing soundbites he also said some very complimentary things about the contributions of both Bramall and Watson. That’s what I meant about the contradictions. It was quite a hard listen and I gave up.
Quote from: drfchound on May 16, 2022, 06:54:54 pmQuote from: DonnyBazR0ver on May 16, 2022, 02:33:48 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 16, 2022, 01:55:13 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 16, 2022, 01:49:54 pmQuote from: Alan Southstand on May 16, 2022, 12:10:27 pmRemind me again how much Brentford will be getting next season, bfyp?Lots indeed. But if you want to be Brentford how many clubs can risk a £41.5m wage budget. Is that seriously what you'd want us to do?To add to that Bournemouth had a wage bill of £58m that year and didn't get promoted. In the premier League their wage bill was over £100m. They probably spent not far off on wages in a week what we spend in a year. Staggering figures.I’ve lost track of how much money that PL clubs get from sky these days, is it around £160m.If it is then I think a wage bill of £41.5m isn’t too extreme.I wouldn’t be too concerned if Rovers were in their position.Would you be worried in Derby's position to name but one?:Yes of course, but I was talking about being in Brentford’s position in the PL.Anything beyond that wasn’t mentioned.Obviously Derby have gone way beyond where Brentford are with their wage bill.Derby never got the Premier league money because they never made it to the promised land.Brentford’s gamble paid off. Derby’s didn’t. If Brentford had stayed another 2 seasons in the Championship then would their owners have been prepared to keep investing those crazy sums? If they had lost patience they would be in the same financial mess as Derby are now.
Like he said Dick Watson was a football man a massive fan of the club and without him and or JR we just don’t have that burning drive and ambition that was there when they were on the board.
I didn't take it as particularly contradictory. Obviously JR being JR there is a lot of "i did this" and "i did that" but to be honest, whilst some people may be more modest, there's still a lot of truth in what he says. From 1998 until TB and DW came onto the board in 2007, it was the JR show and it delivered some of our best times and joyous successes. Yes we had people like Peter Wetzel and Trevor Milton and Jim Beresford who all I believe chipped in here and there but nobody can doubt that John was the person funding our growth and success, doing the hiring and firing, selling the club to potential signings and getting in front of the media. I take no issue with him giving himself a pat on the back for that. He knew he wasn't rich enough to sustain a Championship level club, hence once it looked like this was where we could be heading, TB and DW came in to help fund those next glorious few years that followed. JR himself admitted he brought them in to fund what he clearly still saw as his football club! It's arguable from that interview that he STILL sees it as his football club which I find more touching/sentimental than I do offensive. He does specifically acknowledge that subsequent success was founded upon "millions of pounds of Dick's money, millions of pounds of Terry's money and millions of pounds of my money". I think that's fair comment and it cuts to the heart of the message I believe he was trying to convey. Namely, that you have to invest in the playing squad. He repeats that numerous times in that interview and I believe the way John has behaved throughout is borne out of his belief in that. From pushing through the signing of Billy (financially assisted by TB and DW of course), the experiment (rightly or wrongly) and the abortive sale to Sequentia. John clearly believes that to deliver the kinds of successes the club deserves, it needs quality players on the pitch. He funded that as far as he was able with the odd six figure signing here and there. Once it went beyond that he got TB and DW in for the same reason. Then he saw the experiement as a cheap (and misguided) way to get good players into a Rovers shirt. Then he saw a hedge fund waving their cheque book about and again, he saw it as a way of having a shot at the big time. Finally we had the Louis Tomlinson charade. I think the common theme with all of it is that he knows it needs money and a lot of it to achieve success at Championship level.In that context I don't see it as contradictory to still blame those same people on the board (and it seems TB is the primary focus of his frustrations) for the apparent decline in investment that he feels has taken place subsequently. He praises himself and the current board for past successes and investment. He is however quite rightly scathing at a lack of investment in recent years. That seems fair comment to me and entirely consistent with the JR we know.
Quote Like he said Dick Watson was a football man a massive fan of the club and without him and or JR we just don’t have that burning drive and ambition that was there when they were on the board. Nail and head come to mind, Campsall. It really begs the question as to why TB doesn’t invite more investment onto the Board!
Think the question is Tommy what are the shares actually worth
Quote from: roversdude on May 17, 2022, 07:01:54 pmThink the question is Tommy what are the shares actually worthIf they are worthless, I'd happily take them off their hands. I'd quite like play at owning a football club without putting any actual money of my own in.....
Quote from: TommyC on May 17, 2022, 07:06:09 pmQuote from: roversdude on May 17, 2022, 07:01:54 pmThink the question is Tommy what are the shares actually worthIf they are worthless, I'd happily take them off their hands. I'd quite like play at owning a football club without putting any actual money of my own in.....I don't think you know how football clubs are run if you just think its about owning shares. We own over 100,000 shares in DRFC, they're worth pennies.