What a government

[selby]

  What a government for the people, now lets get back to No10 for a party.
  Pass the red wine around.

[wilts rover]

Yes, implementing socialist policies is always good for the people. Distributing wealth from the rich shareholders to people on benfits - has Sunak been taking advice from Corbyn & McDonnell? Well done - give the teatotaller a drink.

Best not tell all those pensioners who live off their shareholdings who have been posting on here for years that this was a bad policy as it would take money from them tho - oh hang on...

[River Don]

Ironically some tory MPs aren't so impressed, accusing Sunak of "throwing red meat to socialists".

It's interesting to see who approves of a Labour policy like this.

[drfchound]

I thought by now that there would have been some posts about the government’s announcement about the fuel payment assistance measures.
To me it looks like there is a significant amount of help, with the poorest households set to receive around £1200.
Pensioner households to receive an additional £300 to add to their winter fuel allowance.
The £200 allowance in October now doubled to £400 and no longer repayable over five years.
I would be interested to hear from the posters who said they didn’t want the £200 loan, because it was repayable.
Do they still not want the £400 allowance which is not repayable?
Overall I reckon Sunak has done the country proud and so far it seems that the tv pundits think the same.

[rich1471]

I thought by now that there would have been some posts about the government’s announcement about the fuel payment assistance measures.
To me it looks like there is a significant amount of help, with the poorest households set to receive around £1200.
Pensioner households to receive an additional £300 to add to their winter fuel allowance.
The £200 allowance in October now doubled to £400 and no longer repayable over five years.
I would be interested to hear from the posters who said they didn’t want the £200 loan, because it was repayable.
Do they still not want the £400 allowance which is not repayable?
Overall I reckon Sunak has done the country proud and so far it seems that the tv pundits think the same.

£400 is not going to help enough ,My bill for 2021 was £925 combined for 2022 it is estimated cost  to be with the price rise £2600-£2800 an increase or around £1700-£1900 how does £400 really help ,that does roach the sides ,the only reason he has upped it is to try and help bungalow Boris

[Bentley Bullet]

I reckon (for what that's worth) this government would have been very popular with the ordinary unbiased public had it not been for unforeseen events such as Covid and its repercussions delaying progress on commitments such as the levelling up process.

I still believe if Johnson survives as premier he will prove to be very popular again with the ordinary unbiased public.

[River Don]

Do you approve of a windfall tax BB?

[number19]

I reckon (for what that's worth) this government would have been very popular with the ordinary unbiased public had it not been for unforeseen events such as Covid and its repercussions delaying progress on commitments such as the levelling up process.

I still believe if Johnson survives as premier he will prove to be very popular again with the ordinary unbiased public.

Honestly can't believe people can read that and not laugh.

So you take Covid away, surely you don't think he's doing a good job of Brexit?

[ravenrover]

I thought by now that there would have been some posts about the government’s announcement about the fuel payment assistance measures.
To me it looks like there is a significant amount of help, with the poorest households set to receive around £1200.
Pensioner households to receive an additional £300 to add to their winter fuel allowance.
The £200 allowance in October now doubled to £400 and no longer repayable over five years.
I would be interested to hear from the posters who said they didn’t want the £200 loan, because it was repayable.
Do they still not want the £400 allowance which is not repayable?
Overall I reckon Sunak has done the country proud and so far it seems that the tv pundits think the same.

How many times you going to post this one hound?
It's a bit like the Ministers cut and paste praise for Johnson tweets

[Bentley Bullet]

Do you approve of a windfall tax BB?

Although I'm not normally one for showing off my generous nature by demanding the government take someone else's money, it seems the companies involved are taking moral responsibility and are willing to contribute more tax to ease the current crisis.

So, in this instance, yes, I do approve of it.

[drfchound]

I thought by now that there would have been some posts about the government’s announcement about the fuel payment assistance measures.
To me it looks like there is a significant amount of help, with the poorest households set to receive around £1200.
Pensioner households to receive an additional £300 to add to their winter fuel allowance.
The £200 allowance in October now doubled to £400 and no longer repayable over five years.
I would be interested to hear from the posters who said they didn’t want the £200 loan, because it was repayable.
Do they still not want the £400 allowance which is not repayable?
Overall I reckon Sunak has done the country proud and so far it seems that the tv pundits think the same.

How many times you going to post this one hound?
It's a bit like the Ministers cut and paste praise for Johnson tweets

I was going to just post it twice as I wasn’t sure which thread the discussion was going to take place on, this one or the Gas Prices one.
However I see that there is also a third one opened now so I might put it on there as well.

[selby]

  Its sort of clever, yes the share holders take a bit of a hit, but only a proportion of those profits would have gone out in dividends, but with the tax rebate now so high on investment in the North Sea projects those profits will not be there again after the next quarter announcements  and investment will sky rocket, bringing highly skilled jobs in the engineering industries and steel industries for specialised steels.
  But to do so the price of energy will have to stay somewhere near where they are for quite a while, and you and I will pay for the reemergence of the North Sea oil industry, and we can position ourselves as major suppliers to the EU which gives the government real leverage in future negotiations.
 

[River Don]

It really is very interesting to see how widely approved this socialist policy is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Labour have been calling for a Windfall Tax on the energy companies for 4 months.

Just yesterday at PMQs, Starmer asked Johnson why the Govt was still refusing to impose a Windfall Tax. Johnson launched into a tirade of abuse about how Laboour always wanted to take money of people who had earned it.

24 hours later, there's a Windfall Tax.

Like the past is being deleted and Year Zero is announced every new day that dawns.

[drfchound]

Has it not crossed your mind that they were planning to announce the windfall tax along with the other measures today.
If ever Labour regain power they might have the chance to do something good themselves.

[selby]

  I can't see why RD, I have lived long enough to have lived under a few Labour governments and Tory ones.
  I can honestly say that in my lifetime they have made very little difference, if anything the working man has benefitted more in this area lifestyle wise under the Tories who promoted property ownership for the working man which has been the biggest change of all.
  Mostly when Labour has been in power the working man has turned against them with the Unions promoting strikes that the Wilson Callaghan governments were more or less brought down by, aided by big investment by firms being taken to other countries because of their high taxation on investment, which is evident down Wheatley Hall Road no IH, BNS, Crompton Parkinson and others that thousands of men worked at.
  The Labour Party have been complicit in the destruction of nationalised industries not backing the work forces fearing losing votes in areas not affected mainly in the South East, and have had constant wars between the right and left of the party, every time wasting their chance to become entrenched except when Blair was in power, who lost it when he thought he could be a world leader instead of building on a promising start.
  So that's my life history, when Labour has been in power investment has been taken away from this country by big business, and when the Tories have been in power there has been a shake out of local government jobs and the NHS and any nationalised industries they could get their hands on.
  Just take your pick folks, the one thing I can guarantee is that ten years from now you will mostly be where you are because of your own ability and effort, and that whoever is in power will in those ten years have made very little difference in 99% of cases as to your living standards, but the arguments will still be the same old gumph we chomp on about now.

[Bentley Bullet]

Johnson was considering a windfall tax on the 12th of May, but because Tories find it more difficult to take money off people who had earned it than Labour does, it took them longer to impose it.

Starmer wanted it imposing as a first resort.
Johnson wanted it imposing as a last resort.

[River Don]

But Boris Johnson said a windfall tax would deter investment, meaning higher prices for consumers and households up and down the land being worse off.”

So what is the crafty bugger up to?

[drfchound]

Could it be that government knows more about running the country than contributors to a fourth division football forum.

[River Don]

Could it be that government knows more about running the country than contributors to a fourth division football forum.

I'm sure, so why is Boris Johnson endorsing a policy that he believes is going to make households up and down the land worse off?

I don't understand? Is he just being a complete bas**rd?

[Bentley Bullet]

But Boris Johnson said a windfall tax would deter investment, meaning higher prices for consumers and households up and down the land being worse off.”

So what is the crafty bugger up to?

It might have done if the companies involved hadn't cooperated. It looks like they have taken moral responsibility though by offering to contribute by paying more tax to ease the current crisis.

[River Don]

But Boris Johnson said a windfall tax would deter investment, meaning higher prices for consumers and households up and down the land being worse off.”

So what is the crafty bugger up to?

It might have done if the companies involved hadn't cooperated. It looks like they have taken moral responsibility though by offering to contribute by paying more tax to ease the current crisis.

But the inflation it will generate will make us all worse off! Oh, the humanity! The callous sod.

[Bentley Bullet]

Could it be that government knows more about running the country than contributors to a fourth division football forum.

I'm sure, so why is Boris Johnson endorsing a policy that he believes is going to make households up and down the land worse off?

I don't understand? Is he just being a complete bas**rd?

I refer the honourable 4th division gentleman to the reply I gave before.

[River Don]

Boris also said that imposing a windfall tax would stop energy firms moving away from Russian oil and gas.

Why does he want to help the Russians now???

[Bentley Bullet]

But Boris Johnson said a windfall tax would deter investment, meaning higher prices for consumers and households up and down the land being worse off.”

So what is the crafty bugger up to?

It might have done if the companies involved hadn't cooperated. It looks like they have taken moral responsibility though by offering to contribute by paying more tax to ease the current crisis.

But the inflation it will generate will make us all worse off! Oh, the humanity! The callous sod.

Maybe that's why he imposed it as a last resort and not as a first resort like starmer wanted.

[Bentley Bullet]

Boris also said that imposing a windfall tax would stop energy firms moving away from Russian oil and gas.

Why does he want to help the Russians now???

Maybe he wants to help the Russians out as a last resort and not a first resort like Starmer wanted.

[drfchound]

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Boris also said that imposing a windfall tax would stop energy firms moving away from Russian oil and gas.

Why does he want to help the Russians now???
[/quote]

I was going to write that he might be making sure of the donations from Russians……
But I thought better of it so decided not to.   

[River Don]

I just don't understand why he is doing this when he believes this windfall tax is going to make us all poorer, help the Russians and get us all used to accepting handouts and turn us all into socialists.

Maybe he's been at the wine again?

[Bentley Bullet]

Maybe you should join him.

[River Don]

Maybe you should join him.

I think I will have to, to blot out the torment.

John Redwood has told him, Jacob Reese Mogg has warned him. Such fine minds! But he just won't listen.