Will Starmer be "fine" or "fined" ?

[drfchound]

No bst, I asked a genuine question.
Are you aware of whether the did do the NA last time out but won’t say as it discredits your earlier post about it.
Just let us know please.

[tyke1962]

Genuinely, did they have the National Anthem played at the previous LP conference.

I wouldn't read too much in to it Hound .

They also sang The Red Flag to close down the conference which is a socialist anthem also sung in communist North Korea .

That's after proclaiming the whole week they are the party of the centre .

 

I do understand that you're both hurting and looking for solace in each other.

I merely comment on the events the Labour Party they themselves serve up Billy .

If that hits a nerve it's unfortunate .

Make Brexit Work

Vote Labour

[albie]

On it goes in Labour under Keith;
https://labourlist.org/2022/10/sedgefield-clp-officers-resign-after-announcement-of-selection-longlist/

Good job Truss has everyone looking the other way!

[Bentley Bullet]

No doubt a member of the Britain Surrendering Together Party will comment on this shortly.

[drfchound]

No doubt a member of the Britain Surrendering Together Party will comment on this shortly.

Unless it is to denounce it BB, I’m not sure they will.

[BillyStubbsTears]

On it goes in Labour under Keith;
https://labourlist.org/2022/10/sedgefield-clp-officers-resign-after-announcement-of-selection-longlist/

Good job Truss has everyone looking the other way!

I don't follow this. On WHAT goes?

[wilts rover]

Starmer must be absolutely gutted:

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 53% (+1)
CON: 19% (-1)

Via @PeoplePolling 12 Oct.
Changes w/ 6 Oct.

[drfchound]

Nothing surprising there wilts.
If Starmer isn’t way ahead now he never will be.
The government have scored lots of own goals this last few weeks.

[wilts rover]

Hound I look at those polling numbers and think - what are 19% of the public seeing that I'm not?

And I am afraid with numbers like that albie is going to be disappointed, Stamer will be able to shape the party however he wants. I did notice he had sacked his chief-of-staff tho, so maybe there has been kickback about this 'purge of the left'.

[drfchound]

To me it is quite simple wilts.
The 19% must be die hard Tory supporters who would never vote any other way.
The same could have been said if you looked at the polls around the Corbyn disaster at the GE.
Tory people must have thought the same as you are doing now and wondering how anyone could have backed him.

[i_ateallthepies]

You certainly didn't need to be Tory to wonder how anyone could back Corbyn.

[albie]

On it goes in Labour under Keith;
https://labourlist.org/2022/10/sedgefield-clp-officers-resign-after-announcement-of-selection-longlist/

Good job Truss has everyone looking the other way!

I don't follow this. On WHAT goes?

Well BST, the rigging of selection of parliamentary candidates, alongside the disruption of local agreements between parties at the Council level.

The shameful imposition of a Head Office candidate over a local preference marred the by-election in Wakefield.
Resignations from the Committee, followed by needing to bring in ringers from outside to doorstep canvass....Sedgefield looks like a similar scenario.

This are not one off aberrations, but a pattern of undermining local democracy.
Maurice Macleod has just been sidestepped in Camberwell;
https://twitter.com/mowords/status/1581265838253830145

Likewise, Hastings Council have been blocked from a viable local agreement by Labour HQ;
https://twitter.com/juliahilton10/status/1581031642541731840
The agreement was supported by the local party.

Anti-democratic measures do not sit within a socialist tradition of empowerment, do they?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Albie.

You know of course that many local CLPs were taken over by new entrants from the far left over the last decade? People, like yourself, with no history of being Labour supporters, but who saw an opening.

Let's call this current processing a bit of balancing. And the entryists can toddle off and find another party to take over.

Close the door behind you.

[albie]

Over 50 years a member, BST, so that little theory is bollox.

New entrants to the party have every right to be heard, and to have their votes counted, whether you or I agree with them or not.

If you call this "a bit of balancing", you are not a socialist.
You are a supporter of central control and discrimination, which has no place in Labour IMO.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But you didn't vote Labour in 2010?

[Colemans Left Hook]

I heard a very small part of a sky reporter Beth's (Mrs Coleman heard her speaking the other day and thought she was a man til she saw her) interview last night

He said we didn't have children for politics  ( having a right go at that conservative who was the leader of the labour party - and was also a failed rock star )

then he mentioned about supporting Arsenal and mentioned he is always home for friday night and prayers ( that could be why Arsenal have improved )..... when questioned on this he "moved around" on this point 


November 16, 2020 14:05  Starmer: Our kids are being brought up to know their Jewish backgrounds

Labour leader tells Desert Island Discs of 'long tradition of family and faith'

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/starmer-our-kids-are-being-brought-up-to-know-their-jewish-backgrounds-1.508720

We do all know the children follow the religion of their Mother in such a case.


from wikipedia
Personal life

Starmer married Victoria Alexander in 2007.[221] She was previously a solicitor but now works in NHS occupational health.[5][222] The couple's son and daughter are being brought up in the Jewish faith of their mother and the family attend shabbat dinners.[9] Starmer himself stated he does not believe in God but does "believe in faith" and its power to bring people together.[223] Starmer is a keen footballer, having played for Homerton Academicals, a north London amateur team,[224] and supports Premier League side Arsenal.[5]

Starmer is a vegetarian, believing that "it's better for yourself and for the environment".[225]


listening to the whole interview goes onto my bucket list at least I learned somrething I didn't know about him

I didn't know that about his wife, not that I am particualy bothered.

I do know he used to be a keen supporter of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign - so he presumably has good knowledge of middle east and middle east politics from all sides.

I think he dropped out of PSC when some activists went a bit too far and the a/s problem kicked off under Corbyn

https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/1460629248381788164

I am very surprised you didn't know that

thanks for that bit of info

 i just googled.......... starmer palestine solidarity campaign  there is lots of stuff ..... he married in 2007 so he should at that time known that " the women always get their way ... children wise in the end " but obviously his stance became untenable

at least he didn't become a Tottenham supporter (think about that one)



https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-labour-party-starmer-silence-palestinian-solidarity-day

Starmer's change of heart

Before he became party leader, he was not known for his Zionist sympathies. As a former barrister specialising in international human rights, Starmer would have honoured the UN Day of International Solidarity with the Palestinian people without hesitation.

    Since becoming party leader, Starmer has changed. He has embarked on a courtship of the Israel lobby, the antithesis to his earlier positions on  Palestinian rights

His past record against the illegal Iraq war, his membership of Labour Friends of Palestine, and his condemnation of the Trump Middle East peace plan as "a farce, inconsistent with international law and human rights protections" all point him in that direction.

In 2015 he spoke at an election hustings on Palestine organised by Camden Palestine Solidarity Campaign, and later declared: “We can promote peace and justice around the world” against the backdrop of Stop the War campaigners holding Palestinian flags.

But since becoming party leader, Starmer has changed. He has embarked on a courtship of the Israel lobby, the antithesis to his earlier positions on Palestinian rights. In January 2020, he adopted the Board of Deputies' "Ten Pledges" without caveat.

These included the International Holocaust Remembrance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism that conflates antisemitism with anti-Zionism. This conflation has been at the heart of the antisemitism allegations against the Labour Party. Its aim to link criticism of Israel, and by extension support for Palestine, with  "antisemitism" has so far been highly successful in hounding out these supporters.

Starmer now describes himself as a "Zionist without qualification" who believes in the state of Israel.

--------------------------------------

While Starmer is fiercely schtum about his private life – hence his reticence to publicly name his daughter – we do know that his wife, originally from Poland, is Jewish, and that the couple's children are being raised in the Jewish faith. Speaking to the Jewish Chronicle in March, the Labour leader opened up about his wife's faith, saying: 'As you probably know my wife’s family is Jewish. On her father’s side there are bar mitzvahs, synagogues — there’s all the traditions.'

https://www.tatler.com/article/who-is-keir-starmers-wife-victoria

Time to repost this -- lest ye forget

 in an earlier post after this we suddenly develop a previious hidden Doncastrian link to his wife.


perhaps he can spin it both ways !!!  but politicians have to be pragmatists
 

While Starmer is fiercely schtum about his private life – hence his reticence to publicly name his daughter – we do know that his wife, originally from Poland, is Jewish, and that the couple's children are being raised in the Jewish faith. Speaking to the Jewish Chronicle in March, the Labour leader opened up about his wife's faith, saying: 'As you probably know my wife’s family is Jewish. On her father’s side there are bar mitzvahs, synagogues — there’s all the traditions.'

https://www.tatler.com/article/who-is-keir-starmers-wife-victoria

Interesting I was sure I'd read his wife was from Donny.

Here we go www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/the-doncaster-family-connections-of-labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-3006047

"Sir Keir’s wife Victoria comes from Doncaster and his late mother in law Barbara lived in the town before her death earlier this year." From the man himself "I’m delighted that we’re here in Doncaster. My wife’s mum was born and grew up here – just next to the racecourse."

I guess the Polish link is on her Father's side