Will Starmer be "fine" or "fined" ?

[Bentley Bullet]

Mr Wiggerly, I accept the decision that it is reasonable and necessary to have alcohol and take-away at work even during a pandemic.

Do you?

I left it to the people who know the law to make that decision. I accepted that decision. You called it a load of b*llocks. That speaks for itself. You didn't accept it. Own your own words.

Just because I think the decision is a load of b*llocks doesn't mean that I don't accept the decision.

I also think escaping a fine is probably his greatest triumph since he became the leader of the opposition, and it could lead to him remaining leader of the opposition for many years to come.

Now, go and celebrate your great leader's success like a true Red, and leave me to my sugary tea!



 

[drfchound]

"Reasonably necessary work". What a load of boll0cks.

Different constabulary, different outcomes.

Postcode lottery at its best.

Perhaps Johnson should have had his law breaking party’s in Durham lol!

Durham Jail ?

I remember seeing that video and you could see the door in the room Starmer was in was open and there were 2 blokes having a conversation in the NARROW corridor one was "eating "one handed" literally "for England" ( he was so determined to eat everything on the plate he held in his other hand - the other bloke had no food. If you watch the video someone not the thinest of people HAS TO SQUEEZE PAST HIM   so someone was negligent in not warning his staff to social distance to reasonable levels

 Starmer if he stopped "swigging" for a minute could see they were blocking the corridor   and quite possibly their action was breaking covac rules (whatever tht means)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10760967/Video-shows-Keir-Starmer-chatting-beer-indoor-socialising-banned-Covid-law.html

even Sta

But, but, they were working through the night so it was ok.

[Branton Red]

Disappointed with these news to be honest. Oh well thems the breaks.

[SydneyRover]

Anyone wanting to do a bit of self refection or see how well their posts aged should maybe go and read the 'should starmer resign' thread before they make themselves look rather silly all over again.

[SydneyRover]

''It took Keir Starmer three days to promise to resign if he was fined for breaking lockdown rules, after Durham police announced its investigation – but those who know him say it was never in doubt that he would do so.

Some may regard him as a little dull, but Starmer is a stickler for the rules. His pledge to resign was a political gamble but it also laid down a genuine dividing line between the former director of public prosecutions and the chaotic, devil-may-care Boris Johnson.

How ironic then, that the Labour leader’s exoneration came just as Johnson prepares to depart the political stage, leaving behind him a legacy of sleaze and impropriety.

The “beergate” claims were pushed hard by Durham MP Richard Holden and  taken up enthusiastically – and relentlessly – by the Daily Mail and many in the off topic forum. The pro-Johnson paper ran a string of increasingly fervent front page stories highlighting discrepancies in Labour’s story – not least the fact that the party initially said Angela Rayner was not at the Durham campaign event. (And all those that put 'don't know' on their ballot paper I guess)

Adapted from an article in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/08/keir-starmer-political-gamble-to-resign-if-fined-over-beergate-pays-off

[Bentley Bullet]

Disappointed with these news to be honest. Oh well thems the breaks.

Branton, a decision was made that it is reasonable and necessary to have alcohol and take-away at work even during a pandemic in Durham. Live with it!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Still struggling to see the difference between this and the one thing Boris was fined for personally.

Thought the BBC segment on it tonight was fair, they didn't really get it either.

[SydneyRover]

specsavers

[BillyStubbsTears]

Still struggling to see the difference between this and the one thing Boris was fined for personally.

Thought the BBC segment on it tonight was fair, they didn't really get it either.

Well forces start, I don't recall Starmer's wife or his interior designer being at the Durham meeting. That might give a tiny clue as to where the difference is.

And that's before you start on the ABBA party in the No11 flat that Sue Gray didn't investigate because of the Met investigation, while the Met didn't investigate because...reasons.

But anyway. Now the police have reached their verdict, can we put this to bed and move on? Johnson broke the law. Starmer didn't. That's what history will record. Time to accept that. Unless someone has a bizarre theory to explain why the police would target a Tory leader and go easy on a Labour leader?

[SydneyRover]

I guess it's like brexit, one has to accept the result and deal with the consequences

[SydneyRover]

If he has taken out a super injunction to prevent press coverage of his fine, then that is regrettable.
The press should be free to report the situation as it stands, without prejudice to any appeal process.

This is a very bad move if true, because he will be roasted once the truth emerges.

hmmm your slip is showing again Albie

[tyke1962]

Still struggling to see the difference between this and the one thing Boris was fined for personally.

Thought the BBC segment on it tonight was fair, they didn't really get it either.

Well forces start, I don't recall Starmer's wife or his interior designer being at the Durham meeting. That might give a tiny clue as to where the difference is.

And that's before you start on the ABBA party in the No11 flat that Sue Gray didn't investigate because of the Met investigation, while the Met didn't investigate because...reasons.

But anyway. Now the police have reached their verdict, can we put this to bed and move on? Johnson broke the law. Starmer didn't. That's what history will record. Time to accept that. Unless someone has a bizarre theory to explain why the police would target a Tory leader and go easy on a Labour leader?

Well it might not be so bizarre Billy , I wouldn't go as far as to say it's entirely credible either but .......

A lady called Joy Allen is the Durham Police and Crime Commissioner and a Labour Party member , allegedly .

Joe Farrell is the Durham Chief Constable , now the thing is she's contracted till 2024 , normally a new contract is offered possibly 3 months before that contract runs out when competence and so forth can be more reliably examined .

However she was given an extension on June 27th with a salary commanding £550k , just over two weeks ago .

Just saying like .

[SydneyRover]

there's always someone at the ready with a bizarre story aye?

[SydneyRover]

''Just because I think the decision is a load of b*llocks doesn't mean that I don't accept the decision''

hmmm

[podrover73]

as much a miscarriage of justice as the Blatter /Platini trial

[SydneyRover]

as much a miscarriage of justice as the Blatter /Platini trial

spot on, there are at least 3 other parties where some were fined and others not

[Filo]

Still struggling to see the difference between this and the one thing Boris was fined for personally.

Thought the BBC segment on it tonight was fair, they didn't really get it either.

Shall we start with different rules at different times?

[SydneyRover]

Noone wore tinsel, no quiz, no karaoke, no singing or dancing, no vomitato, no fighting, noone had to leave by the backdoor and no encore appearances. The evening was scheduled and circulated to those campaigning. It wasn't hosted by an inveterate liar. Oh and it wasn't a leaving party either.

[wilts rover]

Still struggling to see the difference between this and the one thing Boris was fined for personally.

Thought the BBC segment on it tonight was fair, they didn't really get it either.

The meeting with a meal Starmer attended (a programmed event during a bye-election campaign) was reasonably necessary for work.

The meeting with a birthday cake Johnson attended (when they stopped work) was not reasonably necessary for work.

What was eaten or drunk at the meetings is irrelevant - were they reasonably necessary for work - which was the condition in place at the time - and that was what the police made their judgement on.

The real mystery is why Johnson was not fined for some of the other events he is known to have attended at Downing Street when other people were - and why he refuses to release his official appointment diaries to journalists? Did he attend other social gatherings not necessary for work that we don't know about?

[IDM]

Still struggling to see the difference between this and the one thing Boris was fined for personally.

Thought the BBC segment on it tonight was fair, they didn't really get it either.

From what I have seen in the media over the months since these stories blew up, Starmer had a beer and a curry at a work meeting - once.

Johnson attended several “events” that may have been associated with work, but were clearly parties.  More parties were held at Downing Street and in other departments.  Some on the eve of Prince Phillip’s funeral, one with an email invitation to bring booze, one where they had a mock press conference afterwards joking about a cover up…

See any difference there?

Oh, and let’s not forget Johnson lied about all of this, or at least was so pig ignorant of what was going on right under his nose.  And he was the one telling us all every day on telly to stay at home etc.

Well over 100 penalty charges issued over party gate, on Johnson’s patch, under his leadership.  The review highlighted a lack of leadership..

Would there have been a fuss over Starmer had he been drinking a Diet Coke?

If you can’t see what the difference is then you never will.

And yes, if Starmer had been fined then he should have gone.. no excuses if that was the case..

[ravenrover]

As I see ithe Tories completely thrashed Labour over this 126 - 0 too good for this league

[scawsby steve]

Noone wore tinsel, no quiz, no karaoke, no singing or dancing, no vomitato, no fighting, noone had to leave by the backdoor and no encore appearances. The evening was scheduled and circulated to those campaigning. It wasn't hosted by an inveterate liar. Oh and it wasn't a leaving party either.

I bet Peter Noone looked a right pratt in tinsel.

[SydneyRover]

He's an entertainer SS, there's no wonder you suck at politics and back the wrong team

[scawsby steve]

He's an entertainer SS, there's no wonder you suck at politics and back the wrong team

Which wrong team do I back? Rovers? That's because football's tribal. So is politics, but I don't get tribal over that because they're all the f*cking same.

Who's your team anyway, Collingwood?

[Ldr]

Hey don’t diss Collingwood !!

[SydneyRover]

In that case you won't be complaining about energy prices will you Steve?

[scawsby steve]

In that case you won't be complaining about energy prices will you Steve?

No, I won't be complaining about them, I'll be doing something about them, like refusing to pay my bills, as long as everyone else has the b*lls to do the same.

By the way, what does Keith intend to do about it if he gets into power?

[SydneyRover]

Part A/ it's a bit hypocritical to vote for a change that has cost the country billions and then complain the countyr dons't have the money to lower power prices (hehe)

Part B/ Please direct this part of the question to bb the leader of the official fan club, the government has all the resources to of treasury and all their mates in business if anyone can sort surely they can.

[drfchound]

In that case you won't be complaining about energy prices will you Steve?

No, I won't be complaining about them, I'll be doing something about them, like refusing to pay my bills, as long as everyone else has the b*lls to do the same.

By the way, what does Keith intend to do about it if he gets into power?

Starmer should be telling us all what he is going to do about it but he isn’t doing because he hasn’t got the foggiest idea.

[Bentley Bullet]

Starmer has no idea about what he would do if he ever got in power. He is a prosecutor, and his only role is to conduct accusations against the opposition.