Labour's New Class War , The Left's Battle With The Working Class

[tyke1962]

Interesting documentary and pretty much demonstrates why Labour is now a failed Party .


https://youtu.be/mn0KNuK5m14

[wilts rover]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

[tyke1962]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

[SydneyRover]

 

[wilts rover]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

[normal rules]

We now have a labour leader who is critical of his front benchers supporting union picket lines.
Can any Labour supporters explain this?
Doesn’t this go against the very bedrock upon which the Labour Party was built. ?

[drfchound]

Of course it does NR.

[Janso]

I don't think any Labour leader has ever officially come out in support of a strike, but it's really poor form to criticise colleagues who wish to do so.

[tyke1962]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

[Goole Rover]

We now have a labour leader who is critical of his front benchers supporting union picket lines.
Can any Labour supporters explain this?
Doesn’t this go against the very bedrock upon which the Labour Party was built. ?

Think Scargill b______d it for all union members played the ace card and lost for his own political aims so we have to put up with. Well played Arthur.

[tyke1962]

We now have a labour leader who is critical of his front benchers supporting union picket lines.
Can any Labour supporters explain this?
Doesn’t this go against the very bedrock upon which the Labour Party was built. ?

Think Scargill b______d it for all union members played the ace card and lost for his own political aims so we have to put up with. Well played Arthur.

 There's no doubt he caused considerable damage to Trade Unions in this country and thankfully you are unlikely to see the likes of him again .

However that doesn't mean workplace representation shouldn't exist and shouldn't prosper .

Johnson is the worst possible Tory PM but that doesn't mean the Tory Party should die on the same hill .

[wilts rover]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

My idea of a fairer society is exactly the opposite of the people who made that video. If yours is the same as them, greater power and privledge for the wealthy, attacking minorities etc, then dont ever claim to be a socialist ever again.

I haven't watched it btw - I'm not going to put their views up - but I know who they are and what they want.

[drfchound]

We now have a labour leader who is critical of his front benchers supporting union picket lines.
Can any Labour supporters explain this?
Doesn’t this go against the very bedrock upon which the Labour Party was built. ?

Think Scargill b______d it for all union members played the ace card and lost for his own political aims so we have to put up with. Well played Arthur.

 There's no doubt he caused considerable damage to Trade Unions in this country and thankfully you are unlikely to see the likes of him again .

However that doesn't mean workplace representation shouldn't exist and shouldn't prosper .

Johnson is the worst possible Tory PM but that doesn't mean the Tory Party should die on the same hill .

Tyke, I saw that Scargill was on the tv yesterday offering his support to the RMT strikers.

[tyke1962]

We now have a labour leader who is critical of his front benchers supporting union picket lines.
Can any Labour supporters explain this?
Doesn’t this go against the very bedrock upon which the Labour Party was built. ?

Think Scargill b______d it for all union members played the ace card and lost for his own political aims so we have to put up with. Well played Arthur.

 There's no doubt he caused considerable damage to Trade Unions in this country and thankfully you are unlikely to see the likes of him again .

However that doesn't mean workplace representation shouldn't exist and shouldn't prosper .

Johnson is the worst possible Tory PM but that doesn't mean the Tory Party should die on the same hill .

Tyke, I saw that Scargill was on the tv yesterday offering his support to the RMT strikers.

If Scargill wants to show support for the RMT Hound he'd be well advised to stay in his big detached house and do it privately .

Absolute gift for the Tories showing his face .

[tyke1962]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

My idea of a fairer society is exactly the opposite of the people who made that video. If yours is the same as them, greater power and privledge for the wealthy, attacking minorities etc, then dont ever claim to be a socialist ever again.

I haven't watched it btw - I'm not going to put their views up - but I know who they are and what they want.

You are aware I take it that a huge proportion of people in this country have a huge problem with the Labour Party and the vast majority have probably only voted Tory once in their life if they have at all .

This isn't just some demographic that's temporarily pyssed off like Tiverton voters probably are with the Tories .

This is deep rooted bordering on hatred .

As I say a fairer society means different things to different people .

[wilts rover]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

My idea of a fairer society is exactly the opposite of the people who made that video. If yours is the same as them, greater power and privledge for the wealthy, attacking minorities etc, then dont ever claim to be a socialist ever again.

I haven't watched it btw - I'm not going to put their views up - but I know who they are and what they want.

You are aware I take it that a huge proportion of people in this country have a huge problem with the Labour Party and the vast majority have probably only voted Tory once in their life if they have at all .

This isn't just some demographic that's temporarily pyssed off like Tiverton voters probably are with the Tories .

This is deep rooted bordering on hatred .

As I say a fairer society means different things to different people .

Are you aware you have posted a right wing propoganda video? Of course they hate the Labour Party. The BUF/NF/BNP/UKIP and there miriad splinter groups have always hated left wing policies.

Thats what you posted.

Until you a

[tyke1962]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

My idea of a fairer society is exactly the opposite of the people who made that video. If yours is the same as them, greater power and privledge for the wealthy, attacking minorities etc, then dont ever claim to be a socialist ever again.

I haven't watched it btw - I'm not going to put their views up - but I know who they are and what they want.

You are aware I take it that a huge proportion of people in this country have a huge problem with the Labour Party and the vast majority have probably only voted Tory once in their life if they have at all .

This isn't just some demographic that's temporarily pyssed off like Tiverton voters probably are with the Tories .

This is deep rooted bordering on hatred .

As I say a fairer society means different things to different people .

Are you aware you have posted a right wing propoganda video? Of course they hate the Labour Party. The BUF/NF/BNP/UKIP and there miriad splinter groups have always hated left wing policies.

Thats what you posted.

Until you a

How do you know it's a propaganda video ?

Almost anyone could have made that video and it would have turned out the same way .

People didn't desert Labour , Labour deserted  them .

That's the message from the video if you cared to actually watch it Wilts

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

So you're saying you agree with a far right critique.

You're being played. In the Culture War. The sad thing is, I think you know it and you're aligning with them willingly.

[Ldr]

Tyke.

So you're saying you agree with a far right critique.

You're being played. In the Culture War. The sad thing is, I think you know it and you're aligning with them willingly.

Non so blind as those that will not see. Its obvious to anyone that Labour has deserted the working class.

[SydneyRover]

Tyke.

So you're saying you agree with a far right critique.

You're being played. In the Culture War. The sad thing is, I think you know it and you're aligning with them willingly.

Non so blind as those that will not see. Its obvious to anyone that Labour has deserted the working class.

The 'working class' have changed too Ldr, long gone are the days where everyone not management voted labour to fight their corner, many are now driven by targeted fb pages telling them that immigration is at the core of all their problems.

[SydneyRover]

the video posted in the OP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0KNuK5m14

Have a look at the 'comments' all of them reinforcing your own views, no dissent.

brought to you by Peter Whittle and the new culture forum.

New Culture Forum

Right wing think tank working to change cultural debates they believe are dominated by "the left", Little Sis

https://www.wikicorporates.org/wiki/New_Culture_Forum

Peter Whittle

''After a career in media in the United Kingdom and United States, Whittle founded the New Culture Forum in 2006. He joined the UK Independence Party (UKIP) and was the party's candidate for the 2016 London mayoral contest, which was held at the same time as his election to the London Assembly. He served as the party's deputy leader between November 2016 and October 2017 and was a prominent, if unsuccessful, candidate in the 2017 UKIP leadership election''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Whittle_(politician)

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

So you're saying you agree with a far right critique.

You're being played. In the Culture War. The sad thing is, I think you know it and you're aligning with them willingly.

Billy the Labour Party could have produced the same video in a self assessment project and they would have come to the same conclusion .

Trashing the people behind the video doesn't make it any less true .

There's people in the Labour Party such as Paul Embury and Blue Labour who have platformed on these issues , Paul Embury wrote a book about it , " why the left despises the working class " .

Mick Lynch is an ardent brexiter , does that make him one of Farage's puppets ?

I'm anti globalisation , I believe in borders and control over immigration , it's pretty standard stuff and a view shared by millions of people in this country .

If you want to turn me in to a UKIP member that's up to you it doesn't particularly bother me .

Keith believes in free markets , globalisation and capitalism , does that make him Ronald Reagan ? .

[DonnyOsmond]

Depends what you people mean by "working class", actual working class people or retired baby boomer pensioners with paid off mortgages and decent saving amounts who read the Daily Mail and still think they're working class. There's no surprise the latter have moved away from Labour, their own needs of what a party should be have changed more in line with a party like the Conservatives. Actual working class people will obviously still be looked after most by a party on the left of center.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

But what is working class? Is it a factual thing based on wealth as it always was, or a social element based upon upbringing and social attitudes that many seem to use now?

[DonnyOsmond]

But what is working class? Is it a factual thing based on wealth as it always was, or a social element based upon upbringing and social attitudes that many seem to use now?

And which would Labour care for historically and now?

[BillyStubbsTears]

That Labour party that did nothing for ordinary people.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SarahRosemary3/status/1540639275699638274

[wilts rover]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

My idea of a fairer society is exactly the opposite of the people who made that video. If yours is the same as them, greater power and privledge for the wealthy, attacking minorities etc, then dont ever claim to be a socialist ever again.

I haven't watched it btw - I'm not going to put their views up - but I know who they are and what they want.

You are aware I take it that a huge proportion of people in this country have a huge problem with the Labour Party and the vast majority have probably only voted Tory once in their life if they have at all .

This isn't just some demographic that's temporarily pyssed off like Tiverton voters probably are with the Tories .

This is deep rooted bordering on hatred .

As I say a fairer society means different things to different people .

Are you aware you have posted a right wing propoganda video? Of course they hate the Labour Party. The BUF/NF/BNP/UKIP and there miriad splinter groups have always hated left wing policies.

Thats what you posted.

Until you a

How do you know it's a propaganda video ?

Almost anyone could have made that video and it would have turned out the same way .

People didn't desert Labour , Labour deserted  them .

That's the message from the video if you cared to actually watch it Wilts

How do I know its a propoganda video - have you not read all my previous posts (that are handily quoted above)? Have you not looked at the others they have made? Did you not look at who you were promoting?

I am not watching right-wing propoganda for you or anyone else.

Almost anyone could have made it - No they couldn't!!! Only right-wing propoganists make right-wing propoganda videos - and you chose to promote this one.

If you like it because you agree with their views - its not my problem that you dont like me pointing it out.

[tyke1962]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

My idea of a fairer society is exactly the opposite of the people who made that video. If yours is the same as them, greater power and privledge for the wealthy, attacking minorities etc, then dont ever claim to be a socialist ever again.

I haven't watched it btw - I'm not going to put their views up - but I know who they are and what they want.

You are aware I take it that a huge proportion of people in this country have a huge problem with the Labour Party and the vast majority have probably only voted Tory once in their life if they have at all .

This isn't just some demographic that's temporarily pyssed off like Tiverton voters probably are with the Tories .

This is deep rooted bordering on hatred .

As I say a fairer society means different things to different people .

Are you aware you have posted a right wing propoganda video? Of course they hate the Labour Party. The BUF/NF/BNP/UKIP and there miriad splinter groups have always hated left wing policies.

Thats what you posted.

Until you a

How do you know it's a propaganda video ?

Almost anyone could have made that video and it would have turned out the same way .

People didn't desert Labour , Labour deserted  them .

That's the message from the video if you cared to actually watch it Wilts

How do I know its a propoganda video - have you not read all my previous posts (that are handily quoted above)? Have you not looked at the others they have made? Did you not look at who you were promoting?

I am not watching right-wing propoganda for you or anyone else.

Almost anyone could have made it - No they couldn't!!! Only right-wing propoganists make right-wing propoganda videos - and you chose to promote this one.

If you like it because you agree with their views - its not my problem that you dont like me pointing it out.

It's only a propaganda video in your opinion it doesn't make it one .

It actually points out that some of the  working class having given their vote to the Tories have been badly let down .

It ends by saying that in reality the working class really have no other place to go other than Labour , warts n all .

If it was a right wing propaganda which it wasn't its not a very good one .

[wilts rover]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

My idea of a fairer society is exactly the opposite of the people who made that video. If yours is the same as them, greater power and privledge for the wealthy, attacking minorities etc, then dont ever claim to be a socialist ever again.

I haven't watched it btw - I'm not going to put their views up - but I know who they are and what they want.

You are aware I take it that a huge proportion of people in this country have a huge problem with the Labour Party and the vast majority have probably only voted Tory once in their life if they have at all .

This isn't just some demographic that's temporarily pyssed off like Tiverton voters probably are with the Tories .

This is deep rooted bordering on hatred .

As I say a fairer society means different things to different people .

Are you aware you have posted a right wing propoganda video? Of course they hate the Labour Party. The BUF/NF/BNP/UKIP and there miriad splinter groups have always hated left wing policies.

Thats what you posted.

Until you a

How do you know it's a propaganda video ?

Almost anyone could have made that video and it would have turned out the same way .

People didn't desert Labour , Labour deserted  them .

That's the message from the video if you cared to actually watch it Wilts

How do I know its a propoganda video - have you not read all my previous posts (that are handily quoted above)? Have you not looked at the others they have made? Did you not look at who you were promoting?

I am not watching right-wing propoganda for you or anyone else.

Almost anyone could have made it - No they couldn't!!! Only right-wing propoganists make right-wing propoganda videos - and you chose to promote this one.

If you like it because you agree with their views - its not my problem that you dont like me pointing it out.

It's only a propaganda video in your opinion it doesn't make it one .

It actually points out that some of the  working class having given their vote to the Tories have been badly let down .

It ends by saying that in reality the working class really have no other place to go other than Labour , warts n all .

If it was a right wing propaganda which it wasn't its not a very good one .

Its a right wing propoganda video because the people who made it say it is!!!! They make no bones about being a right wing propoganda organisation whose role is to inflame the culture war from the right. Go read about them.

Of course they dont like the Labour Party and want working class people to go elsewhere - they are a right wng propoganda organisation. Their whole remit is get people to move away from Labour and left wing/socialist ideas.

[tyke1962]

Well done Tyke - you are promoting ideaology from the ex-deputy leader of UKIP who runs this far-right think tank aiming to sow division and create barriers in our society. Their whole aim is to destroy socialism and anything benefitting a wider society - and replace it with personal greed and advancement of the already priviledged. They will make a fascist out of you yet. Well done.

The New Culture Forum is a neoconservative think tank aiming to change contemporary cultural debates which they argue are wrongly dominated by "the left". In their own words "If the right won the economic argument, in Culture Wars the left dominates. The New Culture Forum has been created to challenge the dogma and relativism of the establishment and redefine the parameters of the cultural and political debate.

In a March 2009 presentation Tim Montgomerie and Matthew Elliott described the New Culture Forum as part of the infrastructure of the conservative movement in Britain.

So it's not a definitive assessment of the Labour Party then ?

Yes / No

Its a definitive assesment of the Labour Party from the right wing. They hate the Labour Party and anyone who campaigns for an equal and fairer society.

If that's where you are - just be honest & admit it.

There are plenty of ways tha Labour Party could improve - but not through that ****

A fairer society means different things to different people .

Just because my idea of a fairer society doesn't reconcile with yours doesn't mean I don't want to see it .

My idea of a fairer society is exactly the opposite of the people who made that video. If yours is the same as them, greater power and privledge for the wealthy, attacking minorities etc, then dont ever claim to be a socialist ever again.

I haven't watched it btw - I'm not going to put their views up - but I know who they are and what they want.

You are aware I take it that a huge proportion of people in this country have a huge problem with the Labour Party and the vast majority have probably only voted Tory once in their life if they have at all .

This isn't just some demographic that's temporarily pyssed off like Tiverton voters probably are with the Tories .

This is deep rooted bordering on hatred .

As I say a fairer society means different things to different people .

Are you aware you have posted a right wing propoganda video? Of course they hate the Labour Party. The BUF/NF/BNP/UKIP and there miriad splinter groups have always hated left wing policies.

Thats what you posted.

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How do you know it's a propaganda video ?

Almost anyone could have made that video and it would have turned out the same way .

People didn't desert Labour , Labour deserted  them .

That's the message from the video if you cared to actually watch it Wilts

How do I know its a propoganda video - have you not read all my previous posts (that are handily quoted above)? Have you not looked at the others they have made? Did you not look at who you were promoting?

I am not watching right-wing propoganda for you or anyone else.

Almost anyone could have made it - No they couldn't!!! Only right-wing propoganists make right-wing propoganda videos - and you chose to promote this one.

If you like it because you agree with their views - its not my problem that you dont like me pointing it out.

It's only a propaganda video in your opinion it doesn't make it one .

It actually points out that some of the  working class having given their vote to the Tories have been badly let down .

It ends by saying that in reality the working class really have no other place to go other than Labour , warts n all .

If it was a right wing propaganda which it wasn't its not a very good one .

Its a right wing propoganda video because the people who made it say it is!!!! They make no bones about being a right wing propoganda organisation whose role is to inflame the culture war from the right. Go read about them.

Of course they dont like the Labour Party and want working class people to go elsewhere - they are a right wng propoganda organisation. Their whole remit is get people to move away from Labour and left wing/socialist ideas.

The definition of Propaganda is

 " information especially of a biased or misleading nature used to promote a political cause or view "

It's pretty much established as a solid fact that the Labour Party have an overwhelming middle class , metropolitan graduate base .

The 2020 Labour Party " rule book " mentions BAME 140 times .

Gender representation 40 times .

There were 4 mentions of increasing working class representation .

The conclusions drawn from the above facts is that the Labour Party may  consider the privately educated ethnic graduate to be more oppressed than a " warehouse worker " in Doncaster or Barnsley given its huge support within that demographic .

So no propaganda isn't at play here , what's at play here is your refusal to admit what the Labour Party considers to be its main focus of representation .