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So, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on July 12, 2022, 11:49:09 amSo, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?What in the name of God are you wittering on about?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 12, 2022, 12:02:38 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on July 12, 2022, 11:49:09 amSo, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?What in the name of God are you wittering on about?Let me try to simplify it for you. I said it before and I'll say it again. I wouldn't vote Labour because I don't trust them. I believe once they were in power the left of the party could take over and change the manifesto that voted the party in. They would never get in power with left-wing intentions so could gain the more moderate voters by deceit with a more right-wing approach.That, to me is tantamount to the lies you accuse the Tories of.
Shapps comes to his senses and realises noone would want another spiv but sunak is happy to have support from a liar and fraudster.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on July 12, 2022, 12:22:18 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 12, 2022, 12:02:38 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on July 12, 2022, 11:49:09 amSo, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?What in the name of God are you wittering on about?Let me try to simplify it for you. I said it before and I'll say it again. I wouldn't vote Labour because I don't trust them. I believe once they were in power the left of the party could take over and change the manifesto that voted the party in. They would never get in power with left-wing intentions so could gain the more moderate voters by deceit with a more right-wing approach.That, to me is tantamount to the lies you accuse the Tories of. So let's get this straight. We've just had a PM who lied as easily as he breathed. You never condemned him and said he shouldn't resign.Now, to justify you bothsides approach, you suggest a hypothetical future situation, the like of which has never before happened, and for which there isn't a shred of evidence (ask Albie!) to claim that Labour is just as bad.Do you reckon you've really thought this through?
BB.Stop making this personal. Find an example of a Labour politician deliberately lying on an issue of objective Truth and not correcting the record at the first opportunity and I'll agree with you.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 08:27:34 amTo be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.More of this nonsense.There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties. You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would.
To be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 12, 2022, 02:42:53 pmBB.Stop making this personal. Find an example of a Labour politician deliberately lying on an issue of objective Truth and not correcting the record at the first opportunity and I'll agree with you. At the risk of getting between BST and BB like a boxing ref, the idea that Labour do not lie is just laughable.Have a look at Starmer as an example;https://twitter.com/OrdinaryLeftWatch the video at the top.Zero integrity.
Just a minute, why should correcting a lie make it not a lie? All that is doing is admitting you lied. I take it you're referring to Starmer's porky about the EU vaccine? He didn't correct his lie (or mistake as you'd call it!) at the first opportunity. He only apologised when he realised he was in a corner and couldn't escape and was forced to.