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Author Topic: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?  (Read 10598 times)

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Bentley Bullet

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #60 on July 12, 2022, 11:49:09 am by Bentley Bullet »
So, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?



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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #61 on July 12, 2022, 11:59:21 am by SydneyRover »
So, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?

You're on a hiding to nothing talking about promises not kept bb sometimes it's better to let people think you're a fool .......

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #62 on July 12, 2022, 12:02:38 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
So, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?

What in the name of God are you wittering on about?

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #63 on July 12, 2022, 12:10:53 pm by mugnapper »
Rees Mogg and Dorries on tv backing Liz Truss.
With 2 such likeable heavyweights behind her, Liz must be a shoo-in!

Bentley Bullet

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #64 on July 12, 2022, 12:22:18 pm by Bentley Bullet »
So, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?

What in the name of God are you wittering on about?
Let me try to simplify it for you. I said it before and I'll say it again. I wouldn't vote Labour because I don't trust them. I believe once they were in power the left of the party could take over and change the manifesto that voted the party in. They would never get in power with left-wing intentions so could gain the more moderate voters by deceit with a more right-wing approach.

That, to me is tantamount to the lies you accuse the Tories of.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #65 on July 12, 2022, 12:33:01 pm by SydneyRover »
So, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?

What in the name of God are you wittering on about?
Let me try to simplify it for you. I said it before and I'll say it again. I wouldn't vote Labour because I don't trust them. I believe once they were in power the left of the party could take over and change the manifesto that voted the party in. They would never get in power with left-wing intentions so could gain the more moderate voters by deceit with a more right-wing approach.

That, to me is tantamount to the lies you accuse the Tories of.

who knows?

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #66 on July 12, 2022, 12:39:11 pm by SydneyRover »
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''Let me try to simplify it for you. I said it before and I'll say it again. I wouldn't vote Labour because I don't trust them. I believe once they were in power the left of the party could take over and change the manifesto that voted the party in. They would never get in power with left-wing intentions so could gain the more moderate voters by deceit with a more right-wing approach.

That, to me is tantamount to the lies you accuse the Tories of''

so busy trying to work this out the polling station closed

SydneyRover

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #67 on July 12, 2022, 12:49:57 pm by SydneyRover »
Shapps comes to his senses and realises noone would want another spiv but sunak is happy to have support from a liar and fraudster.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #68 on July 12, 2022, 12:56:48 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
So, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?

What in the name of God are you wittering on about?
Let me try to simplify it for you. I said it before and I'll say it again. I wouldn't vote Labour because I don't trust them. I believe once they were in power the left of the party could take over and change the manifesto that voted the party in. They would never get in power with left-wing intentions so could gain the more moderate voters by deceit with a more right-wing approach.

That, to me is tantamount to the lies you accuse the Tories of.

So let's get this straight.

We've just had a PM who lied as easily as he breathed. You never condemned him and said he shouldn't resign.

Now, to justify you bothsides approach, you suggest a hypothetical future situation, the like of which has never before happened, and for which there isn't a shred of evidence (ask Albie!) to claim that Labour is just as bad.

Do you reckon you've really thought this through?

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #69 on July 12, 2022, 12:57:26 pm by wilts rover »
Shapps comes to his senses and realises noone would want another spiv but sunak is happy to have support from a liar and fraudster.

He was quite happy to work for one for the past couple of years.

SydneyRover

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #70 on July 12, 2022, 01:02:55 pm by SydneyRover »
You should read the tosh from Badenough

SydneyRover

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #71 on July 12, 2022, 01:12:50 pm by SydneyRover »
Shapps has denied any involvement with the “Indian Premier Cricket League”

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #72 on July 12, 2022, 01:17:04 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
I see Sunak has today called for us to have more honesty about economics.

Grand.

Maybe he can start the process by apologising for saying this pile of gold plated lying b*llocks about Govt having to pay back debt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1321802739320500224

wilts rover

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #73 on July 12, 2022, 01:41:23 pm by wilts rover »
I agree with BB in that there should be more truth and honesty from politicians.

And as the Tories are supposed to be seizing the opportunties of Brexit as per their manifesto for the last GE, I think Rees-Mogg is probably correct when he says only a 'true Brexiteer' like Liz Truss can be their next leader


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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #74 on July 12, 2022, 01:59:05 pm by Bentley Bullet »
So, declaring a manifesto to tempt the more right-minded voters with no real intention of carrying them out isn't lying?


What in the name of God are you wittering on about?
Let me try to simplify it for you. I said it before and I'll say it again. I wouldn't vote Labour because I don't trust them. I believe once they were in power the left of the party could take over and change the manifesto that voted the party in. They would never get in power with left-wing intentions so could gain the more moderate voters by deceit with a more right-wing approach.

That, to me is tantamount to the lies you accuse the Tories of.

So let's get this straight.

We've just had a PM who lied as easily as he breathed. You never condemned him and said he shouldn't resign.

Now, to justify you bothsides approach, you suggest a hypothetical future situation, the like of which has never before happened, and for which there isn't a shred of evidence (ask Albie!) to claim that Labour is just as bad.

Do you reckon you've really thought this through?
Are you suggesting I should condemn all parties for their lies, and like you, not be politically selective? Like I've said countless times, my responses to you are mostly drawn by your outrageously one-sided, biased imbalance. I reply to them in an attempt to reduce that imbalance.

Your constant search for accusations of Tory lies, and complete rejection of any Labour party lie stands out like Errol Flynn's cock in a brothel.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #75 on July 12, 2022, 02:04:40 pm by ravenrover »
I wonder why pritstick hasn't run, is it because she couldn't bully 20 MPs to support her?

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #76 on July 12, 2022, 02:08:04 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
So BB, I guess your line now is:

BST points out unarguable cases where Tory politicians have flagrantly lied on issues of objective Truth. I can't find any examples of Labour politicians doing that, so I'm going to blame BST for being biassed, and assume that Labour WILL do that in some hypothetical future.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #77 on July 12, 2022, 02:20:40 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Your claim that Labour MP's don't lie, they just make mistakes, while on the other hand, every Tory mistake is a lie sum you up perfectly.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #78 on July 12, 2022, 02:42:53 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
BB.

Stop making this personal. Find an example of a Labour politician deliberately lying on an issue of objective Truth and not correcting the record at the first opportunity and I'll agree with you.

Bentley Bullet

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #79 on July 12, 2022, 03:04:27 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Just a minute, why should correcting a lie make it not a lie? All that is doing is admitting you lied. I take it you're referring to Starmer's porky about the EU vaccine? He didn't correct his lie (or mistake as you'd call it!) at the first opportunity. He only apologised when he realised he was in a corner and couldn't escape and was forced to.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #80 on July 12, 2022, 03:18:55 pm by Ldr »
Bb that’s been the line all along, if it’s a Labour politician it’s a mistake made in good faith

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #81 on July 12, 2022, 03:29:04 pm by albie »
BB.

Stop making this personal. Find an example of a Labour politician deliberately lying on an issue of objective Truth and not correcting the record at the first opportunity and I'll agree with you.

At the risk of getting between BST and BB like a boxing ref, the idea that Labour do not lie is just laughable.
Have a look at Starmer as an example;
https://twitter.com/OrdinaryLeft

Watch the video at the top.
Zero integrity.

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To be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him.  There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.

More of this nonsense.

There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.

You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties.

You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would.

There are people around who would vote for a party no matter what and hate the opposition whatever, you know it aswell as I do, you can't deny that. The rest of us flip flop largely based on our own circumstances and thoughts.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #83 on July 12, 2022, 04:09:46 pm by Branton Red »
Johnson has lied throughout his life, often to cover his own questionable behaviour, in his pre-political career, in his private life and as a politician.

Starmer is a more traditional political deceiver.

Starmer has just lied throughout his political life and has got where he is today largely through dishonesty.

It would require a peculiar political bias not to acknowledge this.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #84 on July 12, 2022, 05:19:38 pm by scawsby steve »
BB.

Stop making this personal. Find an example of a Labour politician deliberately lying on an issue of objective Truth and not correcting the record at the first opportunity and I'll agree with you.

At the risk of getting between BST and BB like a boxing ref, the idea that Labour do not lie is just laughable.
Have a look at Starmer as an example;
https://twitter.com/OrdinaryLeft

Watch the video at the top.
Zero integrity.

Thanks for that, Albie. That now confirms what many of us suspected. Keith's a f*cking liar like the rest of them.

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #85 on July 12, 2022, 05:50:27 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Just a minute, why should correcting a lie make it not a lie? All that is doing is admitting you lied. I take it you're referring to Starmer's porky about the EU vaccine? He didn't correct his lie (or mistake as you'd call it!) at the first opportunity. He only apologised when he realised he was in a corner and couldn't escape and was forced to.

Read the dictionary definition of "lie"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lie

"To say something untrue in order to deceive". Saying something untrue does not constitute a lie. If you retract what you said immediately the mistake is pointed out, you are not, by definition lying from that point on.

And I KNOW what you are going to say. You'll say that you are rock solid certain that Starmer was deliberately trying to deceive when he said the incorrect statement, and that he shite it and withdrew when it was pointed out to him. Apart from the fact that you have zero evidence to support that argument, just your own prejudices, how does that compare with Johnson refusing EVER to correct the record when he was proven to have lied? Time after time after time.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #86 on July 12, 2022, 05:59:46 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Your getting confused again Billy lad. My point is not about Boris Johnson and his lies, all of which you confirm, it is about Keir Starmer and his lies, all of which you deny.

Has the penny dropped yet?

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #87 on July 12, 2022, 06:00:29 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
BB.

Stop making this personal. Find an example of a Labour politician deliberately lying on an issue of objective Truth and not correcting the record at the first opportunity and I'll agree with you.

At the risk of getting between BST and BB like a boxing ref, the idea that Labour do not lie is just laughable.
Have a look at Starmer as an example;
https://twitter.com/OrdinaryLeft

Watch the video at the top.
Zero integrity.

Do you want to point out where Starmer lied on a matter of objective truth there?

For the record, I'm not defending every one of his policy stances or changes of policy stance. People can make their own decisions on that, and to some extent I do agree with Branton that Starmer is a ducker and diver.

Show me a successful politician who doesn't do that.

Do I wish we had politicians who were scrupulously transparent and consistent in every decision and comment they ever make? Not really, because they would be destroyed within minutes. Politics is a business that demands ducking and diving to some extent and we all have to factor that in when choosing who to vote for.

My point all along has been that Johnson is qualitatively different in his regular, pathological lying on matters of easily checkable objective truth. Not ducking and diving. Lying. Consistently.

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #88 on July 12, 2022, 06:01:31 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
BB. I'll ask you again then.  When has Starmer clearly and unequivocally ever lied about a matter of Objective Truth? One example.

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Re: Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?
« Reply #89 on July 12, 2022, 06:08:00 pm by Ldr »
TL:DR Starmer lying is ok because a) he’s not Boris and b) some b*llocks about objective truth

 

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