Just how long HAS Rishi been plotting to take No 10?

[SydneyRover]

To be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him.  There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.

More of this nonsense.

There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.

You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties.

You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would.

There are people around who would vote for a party no matter what and hate the opposition whatever, you know it aswell as I do, you can't deny that. The rest of us flip flop largely based on our own circumstances and thoughts.

Have we not been here before about who you vote for pud? I think your answer was that for GEs you have always flopped but never flipped in the current context. Correct me if incorrect.

In a way I prefer bb's commentary, it's straight forward he votes tory no matter what, that he can't tell you why without mentioning labour is another matter, wouldn't it be good for a tory voter to occasionally come out and say ................ 'I vote tory for these reasons x, y, z' but they don't, why? because it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny so they use labour as a prop.

Prefer what you like, I'm 34 the number of elections i have voted in is pretty small.

I guess the main point I'm making here is you and others that want to give the impression that you are flexible and make a considered balanced decision, but never actually vote for anyone but a tory pud.

What has anyone else ever offered me that makes me want to vote for them?

I thought being an economic rationalist you'd be able to show how your choice of team has improved the economy starting from say 2010.

[SydneyRover]

It sounds like the next PM won't need a treasurer as they have already made the major decisions.

[SydneyRover]

liz truss, remind me which planet she lives on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_wkO4hk07o

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jesus wept.

https://mobile.twitter.com/economics/status/1548779549684649991

Total vacuum of any guiding ideas in the Tory party.

So Truss doesn't just dress like Thatcher. She scours Thatcher's policies. And finds THE very worst one of all. Targeting money supply. The policy Thatcherv implemented in the early 80s, turning a bad recession into a 4 million on the dole, industry-destroying carnage.

God help us.

[SydneyRover]

''The Penny Mordaunt campaign has said a statement on the cancellation of the Sky News debate released earlier, which blamed Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss for not being able to debate each other “in a civil way” (see 11.13am), was sent out in error. It has retracted that statement, and instead issued this comment which does not not criticise her rivals. A campaign spokesperson said:

Media scrutiny is important in this contest. Penny has done broadcast and allowed time for journalists to ask questions at her launch. MPs aren’t just picking a new leader, but picking the nation’s new PM. Penny hopes there will be ample opportunity for such scrutiny later in the contest in a format that allows detailed questions and insights''

Guardian live

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Sunak and Truss camps this morning.

https://youtu.be/QtZpG6a1zvs

[selby]

  Who would be your pick Billy, the one you think would be the easiest for Labour to beat in a general election?

[wilts rover]

Selby, the most difficult one for Labour to beat would be the one who has the best policies ideas to lead the country out of a cost of living crises and climate emergency in the next 2 years or so in which they will be PM.

If you have been watching the debates it will be a Labour landslide - because none of them have. God help us tho.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Paul Mason doesn't always get it right, but  I think he has Badenoch sussed.

She's not going to win this time and I think there's a growing feeling that the Tories have run out of ideas and steam this time and are likely to lose in 2024.

So Badenoch is positioning herself for the blood-letting in a couple of years time. when the Tories start asking themselves what they believe in and where they are going. And her answer will be "Into the Trump World of a Culture War", where they drive out anyone from the One Nation, moderate wing of the party and go into full-on cultural division as the aim. Badenoch is frighteningly obsessive about that. Hence her laying in to Mordaunt last night about trans- people.

It's going to be very ugly.

[wilts rover]

There is another train of thought that goes something along the lines of; Johnson is quite happy for this change of PM to go ahead because it will show to the Party & the country how little competent talent there now is in the Tory Party - and he will be back before th next GE - or very soon after it.

[scawsby steve]

If they're all crap, and I agree they are, and Labour will win in 2024, which I agree they probably will, then what are you all complaining about?

[wilts rover]

Steve - the prospect of the next two and a half years.

[SydneyRover]

Hard to believe, but this bloke reckons Truss is misrepresenting the truth ..........

''I grew up where Liz Truss did, attended the same school. She’s not telling you the truth
Martin Pengelly''

''To that end, she has chosen to repeat old attacks on her home and her old school. She lived and went to school in Roundhay, a leafy suburb of Leeds. I know a bit about it – I grew up there at the same time. I too went to that school.

Truss claims to have grown up in a “red wall” seat. This is not just a wilful anachronism, it is flatly untrue. Leeds North East, the constituency that contains both Roundhay school and the tall stone houses in which Truss and I grew up, was Conservative from 1955 to 1997 – by which time Truss had graduated from Oxford'' ...........

 .......... ''But to do so would be to draw attention to the fact that when we were at Roundhay, Conservatives controlled education policy and spending, and how when the school was rebuilt, Labour did. The history of the school’s official rating also tells such a tale, from “satisfactory” under the Conservatives to “outstanding” under Labour''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/18/liz-truss-roundhay-school-foreign-secretary-education

[i_ateallthepies]

There is another train of thought that goes something along the lines of; Johnson is quite happy for this change of PM to go ahead because it will show to the Party & the country how little competent talent there now is in the Tory Party - and he will be back before th next GE - or very soon after it.

Wasn't it Johnson who kicked out a heap of the most capable faces the Tories had?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just when you thought Johnson could t get any more vindictive...

He's removed the Tory whip from Johnson critic Tobias Ellwood for missing the MONC in Parliament last night. That means Ellwood cannot vote in the Tory leadership ballots.

Now, God knows I've no axe to grind for Ellwood, given my first hand knowledge of how his self confidence was match only by his vacuousness.

But the reason he missed the vote was that he is the chair of the Defence Select Committee and was in Moldova last night meeting with the Prime Minister to discuss the military situation in Transnistria where Russian separatists have long threatened armed aggression.

[Bristol Red Rover]

With Badenoch losing, whatever of the remaining candidates get in to give us the clown show for the coming couple of years (please let it be Truss!), it's now all Starmer's to lose for the next GE. Badenoch stood a chance, as it stands the others don't.

[drfchound]

Stitched on for a Labour win then ?

[Colemans Left Hook]

Just when you thought Johnson could t get any more vindictive...

He's removed the Tory whip from Johnson critic Tobias Ellwood for missing the MONC in Parliament last night. That means Ellwood cannot vote in the Tory leadership ballots.

Now, God knows I've no axe to grind for Ellwood, given my first hand knowledge of how his self confidence was match only by his vacuousness.

But the reason he missed the vote was that he is the chair of the Defence Select Committee and was in Moldova last night meeting with the Prime Minister to discuss the military situation in Transnistria where Russian separatists have long threatened armed aggression.

Apparently he couldnt get a flight back in time .. But he is a known Morduant supporter.

As they say "nothing personal" Johnson was just doing his bit  to help his preferred successor.

Full stop.


Lets airbrush from history the other ten conservatives who didn't vote..

It seems in order to beef up the story the meaning of "not doing something" has been elevated to "abstaining"

It will be quite ironic if Morduant loses by one vote

[Colemans Left Hook]

Just when you thought Johnson could t get any more vindictive...

He's removed the Tory whip from Johnson critic Tobias Ellwood for missing the MONC in Parliament last night. That means Ellwood cannot vote in the Tory leadership ballots.

Now, God knows I've no axe to grind for Ellwood, given my first hand knowledge of how his self confidence was match only by his vacuousness.

But the reason he missed the vote was that he is the chair of the Defence Select Committee and was in Moldova last night meeting with the Prime Minister to discuss the military situation in Transnistria where Russian separatists have long threatened armed aggression.

Apparently he couldnt get a flight back in time .. But he is a known Morduant supporter.

As they say "nothing personal" Johnson was just doing his bit  to help his preferred successor.

Full stop.


Lets airbrush from history the other ten conservatives who didn't vote..

It seems in order to beef up the story the meaning of "not doing something" has been elevated to "abstaining"

It will be quite ironic if Morduant loses by one vote

you didn't state the apparent " alleged" true facts neither apparently did I


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/recent-weeks-a-sad-chapter-in-history-of-conservatives-says-ellwood/ar-AAZM5Zi?li=BBoPRmx

Government minister Simon Clarke defended the decision to strip the Tory party whip from Mr Ellwood, calling his actions a “very serious mistake”.

“He was in Moldova, rather than Ukraine. He was not on Government work, he is a backbench MP,” he told Sky News.

etc etc


NOW out of interest technically could Boris has deliberately not voted and withdrawn the whip from himself  !!! (i will leave the jokes to you on that) and consequently become an Independant but still the Prime Minister ????  and how would they remove him ??

[Colemans Left Hook]

here are the results of the latest yougov pole

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/wue1nfg0b7/ConMembers_July19th_head_to_heads_w.pdf

Sample Size: 725 Conservative Party members
Fieldwork: 18th - 19th July 2022

don't the Conservatives have around 200,000 ( as of March 2021)

I wouldn't like to draw conclusions on such a small sample - what does BST think about the sample

bear in mind in the 1960's we used to supply stats to a company called Attwood Statistics concerning our shopping basket and I was allowed to choose our "phantom purchases"

https://app.duedil.com/company/gb/00753685/attwood-statistics-limited