Sunak or Truss

[ravenrover]

How long does Rich-ie or Truss-tless have to be in position before a no confidence vote can be initiated to get Johnson back into the running?

[Bristol Red Rover]

I don't think Johnson is in a hurry to get back in power. Sometime like a year to 6 months before the next GE would be the right ball park giving him rest and family time. Meanwhile let Sunak/Truss fall apart as PM and leader of the shambles of the Tories. I can see Johnson as being the teflon kid, and the nly likely Tory to be effective at opposing Labour in a GE.

Sick innit!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rumour is Johnson is telling his mates that he'll be back like Churchill.

I've just sat down and closed my eyes and tried to imagine the lack of self awareness behind that claim. And I can't get close.

[ravenrover]

Is it true there is a petition amongst the Tory faithfull to keep him in position?

[SydneyRover]

There is still time to get your submission in .................

''On 21 April 2022, the House of Commons passed a motion tabled by the leader of the Labour Party, calling for the prime minister, Boris Johnson, to be investigated by the Commons Privileges Committee for having potentially misled parliament over ‘partygate’ allegations. Following the closure of the Metropolitan Police inquiry into ‘partygate’, as well as the publication of the Gray Report, the committee will begin its investigation. 

This explainer sets out how the investigation will work, and the kinds of questions that the investigation will need to address''

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/privileges-committee-investigation

I've put several in under names such as bullet, tyke, albie, pud .............

[wilts rover]

Is it true there is a petition amongst the Tory faithfull to keep him in position?

Tory grassroots warned of Trumpian disaster.
Senior Tories including a Cabinet minister are getting very worried about the Bring Back Boris campaign, now backed by nearly 7,000 members

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1550491539486703616

Somebody is planting these stories in the papers - and its probably not Dominic Cummings.

[SydneyRover]

It's all here

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/choppers-politics/id1213415786

[BillyStubbsTears]

Is it true there is a petition amongst the Tory faithfull to keep him in position?

Tory grassroots warned of Trumpian disaster.
Senior Tories including a Cabinet minister are getting very worried about the Bring Back Boris campaign, now backed by nearly 7,000 members

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1550491539486703616

Somebody is planting these stories in the papers - and its probably not Dominic Cummings.

So let me get this right.

The Parliamentary Tory party made a decision on behalf of the country.

A bunch of hard-line Brexiteers don't like that and think there should be a People's Vote to see if that's what the People really want. (People in this case being Tory party members.)

Anyone want to point out the irony to them?

[SydneyRover]

Sat' headline, the Times

"Britain facing a national emergency, says Sunak''

''Leadership hopeful warns of crises in the economy, NHS and over illegal migration''

A bit richi considering 12 years of tories don't you think? and the last item a bit of red meat for the red wall.

the Express has polled tyke and found that Truss would beat Starmer ......... hehe

[Bristol Red Rover]

If Truss wins Labour should build up the brainwashing exercise along the lines of "Never Truss the Tories" with the background pic of a grinning Johnson toasting us with a drink at the parties.

[SydneyRover]

Truss cite Patrick Minford as her economic expert.

God f**king help us if she is serious.

He's only had the ear of 1 PM. That was Thatcher in the early 1980s. The result was 15% interest rates, 4 million on the dole and the destruction of much of our industry.

Minford's fantastic plan to take advantage of Brexit was for us to unilaterallly do away with all import tariffs. He casually noted in an aside that this would probably finish off what industry we have left, and would require the "managed decline" of Northern cities.

He is a maverick in economics circles. Way outside the mainstream. But your likely next PM is listening to him.

''Removing all trade tariffs and barriers would help generate an annual £135bn uplift to the UK economy, according to a group of pro-Brexit economists.

A "hard" Brexit is "economically much superior to soft", argues Prof Patrick Minford, lead author of a report from Economists for Free Trade.

He says eliminating tariffs, either within free trade deals or unilaterally, would deliver huge gains''

yeah woo hoo yeah whoop .............. etc


But wait ................................


''Brexit worse for the UK economy than Covid pandemic, OBR says

Fiscal watchdog says Brexit would cut GDP by around 4% long term, while Covid impacts would hit output by a further 2%''

Approx 80Bn/year


yah boo hiss poo ............. etc


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40972776

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/28/brexit-worse-for-the-uk-economy-than-covid-pandemic-obr-says

[wilts rover]

Patrick Minford - the bloke who said we should use Brexit to run down manufacturing and farming in the UK

[Glyn_Wigley]

Looks like he's getting his wish.

[Branton Red]

Hobson's choice but the Tory membership are right to be favouring Truss IMO.

Sunak outwardly appears slicker, smarter, saner, less extreme and more prime ministerial.

But he's proven himself to be economically clueless as Chancellor - only a fool would announce tax rises during a strong economic recovery or maintain these rises as inflation soars causing a cost of living crisis.

The economy would be in for 2 (never mind 7) disastrous years of slow, anaemic growth with his high tax, low spend mantra.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Only a more economically clueless person would reduce taxes during high inflation.

[tyke1962]

Hobson's choice but the Tory membership are right to be favouring Truss IMO.

Sunak outwardly appears slicker, smarter, saner, less extreme and more prime ministerial.

But he's proven himself to be economically clueless as Chancellor - only a fool would announce tax rises during a strong economic recovery or maintain these rises as inflation soars causing a cost of living crisis.

The economy would be in for 2 (never mind 7) disastrous years of slow, anaemic growth with his high tax, low spend mantra.

You have to factor in who the two candidates are trying to appeal to Branton .

It's not the electorate but 180k probably elderly and very well off white males .

To say it's a very thin demographic is an understatement .

Tax cuts to this demographic works the same way as £1.80 a pint in Wombwell does around my neck of the woods .

The white women trying to resurrect Thatcher promising tax cuts is a sure fire winner with this demographic .

I'm afraid the more conservative brown man ain't got a chance .

I'm saying how it is by the way and not my personal view so take the above as it's meant .

[selby]

  Something a lot have not taken into consideration is Richie if elected leader could take votes away from labour with an Indian following, and in some inner cities that's a lot of votes, a lot that historically have voted labour.
  I think the Indian community would quite like one of their own as  the Prime Minister of the UK, and it might just do the UK good.

[idler]

Given the rivalry and dislike between a lot of Indian and Pakistani communities they might also lose a lot of votes. We will have to wait and see but neither option fills me with any hope.

[wilts rover]

  Something a lot have not taken into consideration is Richie if elected leader could take votes away from labour with an Indian following, and in some inner cities that's a lot of votes, a lot that historically have voted labour.
  I think the Indian community would quite like one of their own as  the Prime Minister of the UK, and it might just do the UK good.

I agree with Selby. As do the ex-BNP, Britain First, NF members who joined the Tory Party to get Johnson elected. I am sure with their years of anti-Asian attacks they will be right behind him.

[danumdon]

  Something a lot have not taken into consideration is Richie if elected leader could take votes away from labour with an Indian following, and in some inner cities that's a lot of votes, a lot that historically have voted labour.
  I think the Indian community would quite like one of their own as  the Prime Minister of the UK, and it might just do the UK good.

I agree with Selby. As do the ex-BNP, Britain First, NF members who joined the Tory Party to get Johnson elected. I am sure with their years of anti-Asian attacks they will be right behind him.

Absolute baloney, do you have evidence that far right elements joined the Tory party to enable Johnson to get elected?

We're talking about Johnson, who could quite seamlessly fit into the LibDems or the centre right Labour party without any stitching showing.

[Bentley Bullet]

Johnson far right? 

https://youtu.be/nKUGSlv0Bo8

[wilts rover]

  Something a lot have not taken into consideration is Richie if elected leader could take votes away from labour with an Indian following, and in some inner cities that's a lot of votes, a lot that historically have voted labour.
  I think the Indian community would quite like one of their own as  the Prime Minister of the UK, and it might just do the UK good.

I agree with Selby. As do the ex-BNP, Britain First, NF members who joined the Tory Party to get Johnson elected. I am sure with their years of anti-Asian attacks they will be right behind him.

Absolute baloney, do you have evidence that far right elements joined the Tory party to enable Johnson to get elected?

We're talking about Johnson, who could quite seamlessly fit into the LibDems or the centre right Labour party without any stitching showing.

Yup:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-far-right-extremists-join-conservatives-support-britain-first-a9252201.html

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/28/far-right-group-britain-first-says-5000-members-joined-tories-11970687/

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/local-council/bnp-dennis-pearce-backs-norfolk-conservative-candidate-james-wild-1483564

As recently as last week:

https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1549100073241427969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[scawsby steve]

Sunak, Truss, or Keith in 2024.

Get your ringside tickets for the circus show. Chipperfields will have nothing on any of these 3.

[danumdon]

  Something a lot have not taken into consideration is Richie if elected leader could take votes away from labour with an Indian following, and in some inner cities that's a lot of votes, a lot that historically have voted labour.
  I think the Indian community would quite like one of their own as  the Prime Minister of the UK, and it might just do the UK good.

I agree with Selby. As do the ex-BNP, Britain First, NF members who joined the Tory Party to get Johnson elected. I am sure with their years of anti-Asian attacks they will be right behind him.

Absolute baloney, do you have evidence that far right elements joined the Tory party to enable Johnson to get elected?

We're talking about Johnson, who could quite seamlessly fit into the LibDems or the centre right Labour party without any stitching showing.

Yup:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-far-right-extremists-join-conservatives-support-britain-first-a9252201.html

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/28/far-right-group-britain-first-says-5000-members-joined-tories-11970687/

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/local-council/bnp-dennis-pearce-backs-norfolk-conservative-candidate-james-wild-1483564

As recently as last week:

https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1549100073241427969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Far right group looses support and "claims" they have all defected to the Tories?

laughable, if they defected then they must be well cheesed off as this Tory party is slotted in between the LibDems and the Labour center right.

We even have Keith poaching tips off the Tory manifesto, not alot of difference between the lot of them.

[Bentley Bullet]

If Johnson joined the Labour party it'd be like Harry Kane signing for Scunthorpe United!

[wilts rover]

EXCLUSIVE **
Boris Johnson has said he does not want to resign and will stay on if the membership backs him
The PM told former treasurer @peteratcmc over lunch at Chequers on Friday he wishes he could "wipe away" his resignation.

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1551628844137820162

[Glyn_Wigley]

EXCLUSIVE **
Boris Johnson has said he does not want to resign and will stay on if the membership backs him
The PM told former treasurer @peteratcmc over lunch at Chequers on Friday he wishes he could "wipe away" his resignation.

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1551628844137820162

Jesus wept. How does he think he'd carry on when the whole government walks out again?

[drfchound]

Sunak, Truss, or Keith in 2024.

Get your ringside tickets for the circus show. Chipperfields will have nothing on any of these 3.

Whoa there SS.
Starmer isn’t guaranteed a place in that show yet.

[Bentley Bullet]

Sunak, Truss, or Keith in 2024.

Get your ringside tickets for the circus show. Chipperfields will have nothing on any of these 3.

Whoa there SS.
Starmer isn’t guaranteed a place in that show yet.

What, do you mean his own party might go for the juggler and get rid?

[River Don]

The Tory thick and thin...

They've chosen the wrong pair here.