Sunak or Truss

[wilts rover]

Except we are not 'all' getting poorer are we. Some people are doing very well. VERY well:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-30/pay-for-top-uk-executives-rebounded-to-pre-covid-levels-in-2021

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jan/07/ftse-bosses-pay-average-9am

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/16/weve-had-a-run-on-champagne-biggest-uk-banker-bonuses-since-financial-crash

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-10645745/Bankers-bonuses-drive-UK-pay-growth-Payouts-expected-soar.html

Millions become millionaire during pandemic:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57575077

The richest 10% of the country hold 43% of total wealth. The bottom 50% hold 9%.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/totalwealthingreatbritain/april2018tomarch2020

The answer to the cost of living crises is fairy simple. Whether or not any of the current candidates for PM dare take it - well....

[mugnapper]

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-robert-buckland-becomes-first-cabinet-minister-to-swap-sides-as-he-backs-liz-truss-in-conservative-leadership-race-12671658

I think it’s time Sunak conceded now his own supporters are jumping ship to ensure they get a gig in the new Government.

Does he need the humiliation of a massive defeat in the Tory member’s vote on his CV?

The current inertia needs to end, they need to cut short their Summer holidays and get back to work because there’s one or two issues that need dealing with.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mug.

The vote is needed. When we end up with THE least qualified person ever as PM, we need to be able to remember that 100,000 old, wealthy, southern golf club bores were the one who imposed her on us.

Meanwhile...

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrundleDub/status/1558119959137509381

[tommy toes]

Least qualified and away with the fairies.
God help us.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You do have to pinch yourself. I's not a nightmare. One of these two will be PM in a fortnight.

Sunak today. "We need to stoke the village fete which is a cornerstone of British life."

Truss today, "GB News gets facts right."

God f**king help us.

[mugnapper]

Michael Gove backs Rishi Sunak in Tory leadership bid https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62613501

Looks like Gove has had enough of Front Bench politics.
Do you think he could become the new Michael Portillo?
I can see him touring the world, sampling the various narcotics available in each region lol

[wilts rover]

'I cannot see how safeguarding the stock options of FTSE 100 executives should ever take precedence over supporting the poorest in our society, but at a time of want it cannot be the right priority'

Michael Gove on Truss's stated campaign aims. Michael Gove!!!

[tommy toes]

Only priorise it at a time of want eh?
Says it all about Tory sensibilities.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Liz Truss has a feel of a Tory party that has given up on thinking.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Michael Gove backs Rishi Sunak in Tory leadership bid https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62613501

Looks like Gove has had enough of Front Bench politics.
Do you think he could become the new Michael Portillo?
I can see him touring the world, sampling the various narcotics available in each region lol

Good f**king riddance to him. A cancer on our politics. Watch him here. Watch every f**king minute of him squirming and trying to intimidate a journalist who is doing nothing more than holding him to account for the incontinent lying of his party.

https://t.co/CB8heWNHQX

[BillyStubbsTears]

The one redeeming feature of that video is that you KNOW from Gove's body language that he hates himself. The arms flailing around. The pushing the iPad away. That bizarre thing he does where he shoots up on tiptoes like he's trying to suck a tangerine up his arse.

Those aren't things anyone does who isn't under severe psychological strain.

[wilts rover]

Vote Tory:

https://twitter.com/secrettory12/status/1560706605695606784

[tommy toes]

'The only nation to sanction themselves'

Just about sums us up.

[SydneyRover]

''Jacob Rees-Mogg backs Liz Truss’s claim UK workers need ‘more graft’''

busadvertising

conservatives cornered the graft market

vote tory

[RobTheRover]

Michael Gove backs Rishi Sunak in Tory leadership bid https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62613501

Looks like Gove has had enough of Front Bench politics.
Do you think he could become the new Michael Portillo?
I can see him touring the world, sampling the various narcotics available in each region lol

Good f**king riddance to him. A cancer on our politics. Watch him here. Watch every f**king minute of him squirming and trying to intimidate a journalist who is doing nothing more than holding him to account for the incontinent lying of his party.

https://t.co/CB8heWNHQX

Wait til it comes out why his marriage collapsed so suddenly.  Because it will.

[SydneyRover]

I hope you're going to be picketing for better conditions bb? maybe have a word with the incoming PM.

''Journalists at rightwing Daily Express set to strike over pay
Staff from newspaper that rails against ‘militant trade unions’ will join sister outlets in striking on Friday''

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Still waiting for answers from either of these candidates, not heard much of it.

But don't forget one thing, they need to play up to who's voting for them first, which given its Tory members is largely well off, older, rural types.  Come an election they're appealing to many more.

Just like Keir Starmer in reality. What he pledged in the leadership contest to get elected isn't the same now he's actually leader is it?  Immoral perhaps but understandable.

The point they make on more work does actually have some weight in some areas.  On the whole a lot of Brits don't want to work hard and covid has made that go further.  In some cases it's a battle to get people out of their houses.

[SydneyRover]

Still waiting for answers from either of these candidates, not heard much of it.

But don't forget one thing, they need to play up to who's voting for them first, which given its Tory members is largely well off, older, rural types.  Come an election they're appealing to many more.

Just like Keir Starmer in reality. What he pledged in the leadership contest to get elected isn't the same now he's actually leader is it?  Immoral perhaps but understandable.

The point they make on more work does actually have some weight in some areas.  On the whole a lot of Brits don't want to work hard and covid has made that go further.  In some cases it's a battle to get people out of their houses.

Immoral give me a break pud, what is immoral about Starmer? the most immoral he's been is have a beer with his canvassing team .......... and was cleared by the police ffs.

[tyke1962]

Still waiting for answers from either of these candidates, not heard much of it.

But don't forget one thing, they need to play up to who's voting for them first, which given its Tory members is largely well off, older, rural types.  Come an election they're appealing to many more.

Just like Keir Starmer in reality. What he pledged in the leadership contest to get elected isn't the same now he's actually leader is it?  Immoral perhaps but understandable.

The point they make on more work does actually have some weight in some areas.  On the whole a lot of Brits don't want to work hard and covid has made that go further.  In some cases it's a battle to get people out of their houses.

If you want to improve productivity then it's generally a good idea to give workers the motivation to do so with things like productivity bonuses and a greater share of the increased profits created .

As with most things in life you get what you pay for .

[SydneyRover]

Still waiting for answers from either of these candidates, not heard much of it.

But don't forget one thing, they need to play up to who's voting for them first, which given its Tory members is largely well off, older, rural types.  Come an election they're appealing to many more.

Just like Keir Starmer in reality. What he pledged in the leadership contest to get elected isn't the same now he's actually leader is it?  Immoral perhaps but understandable.

The point they make on more work does actually have some weight in some areas.  On the whole a lot of Brits don't want to work hard and covid has made that go further.  In some cases it's a battle to get people out of their houses.

If you want to improve productivity then it's generally a good idea to give workers the motivation to do so with things like productivity bonuses and a greater share of the increased profits created .

As with most things in life you get what you pay for .

You can't argue with that pud the profits to shareholders have gone up massively compared to wages under your choice of government for far too long and this is the mess that needs to be cleared up.

[wilts rover]

Still waiting for answers from either of these candidates, not heard much of it.

But don't forget one thing, they need to play up to who's voting for them first, which given its Tory members is largely well off, older, rural types.  Come an election they're appealing to many more.

Just like Keir Starmer in reality. What he pledged in the leadership contest to get elected isn't the same now he's actually leader is it?  Immoral perhaps but understandable.

The point they make on more work does actually have some weight in some areas.  On the whole a lot of Brits don't want to work hard and covid has made that go further.  In some cases it's a battle to get people out of their houses.

Yes I agree. MP's 'work' for around 150 days per year, whilst having subsidised meals and being able to claim, fuel, energy and housing costs on expenses.

If anyone knows about scroungers not wanting to do a hard days work and instead lounging about all day on benefits its Truss and Sunak.

[wilts rover]

Another myth

https://www.tuc.org.uk/news/british-workers-putting-longest-hours-eu-tuc-analysis-finds

[BillyStubbsTears]

Productivity has very little to do with workers working hard. It's far better correlated with capital investment, allowing people to work more efficiently.

THE most awful aspect of Austerity was that the Govt chose to limit capital investment right at the time when interest rates that Govt had to pay on borrowings were the lowest they had been for centuries. Fir a good chunk of the last decade, investors would actually lend to the Govt on negative interest rates! But we refused to take advantage of that.

Here's the figures.
https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1560962612896169985

Look at the historical record.

Capital investment was decimated under Thatcher and Major. THAT s why our railways, schools and hospitals were falling apart by the mid-90s.

Blair and Brown presided over a modest increase, back towards historical average figures. But they were spooked from going too far, too fast by the worry of Labour being thought of as being profligate. What we needed was a continuation of the upward slope to invest in renewable energy, better railways, better education. There was a once in a century opportunity to do that at negative interest rates.

And we blew it. Capital investment at best stagnated under the Tories. And so did productivity. As that air head Truss panders to her golf club bore electorate, saying it's because people don't work hard enough.

[tyke1962]

Truss needs to remind herself that corporate world can't expect handouts from workers and something for nothing .

If they want to shirk capital investment or aren't willing to invest in their workers pay packets then they have to realise that the days of the Magic productivity tree are long gone .

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Still waiting for answers from either of these candidates, not heard much of it.

But don't forget one thing, they need to play up to who's voting for them first, which given its Tory members is largely well off, older, rural types.  Come an election they're appealing to many more.

Just like Keir Starmer in reality. What he pledged in the leadership contest to get elected isn't the same now he's actually leader is it?  Immoral perhaps but understandable.

The point they make on more work does actually have some weight in some areas.  On the whole a lot of Brits don't want to work hard and covid has made that go further.  In some cases it's a battle to get people out of their houses.

Immoral give me a break pud, what is immoral about Starmer? the most immoral he's been is have a beer with his canvassing team .......... and was cleared by the police ffs.

Tell that to some of your fellow left wing advocates who are outraged at his change of views on things such as nationalisation. Have a read throughy his leadership campaign and current policies.

Still waiting for answers from either of these candidates, not heard much of it.

But don't forget one thing, they need to play up to who's voting for them first, which given its Tory members is largely well off, older, rural types.  Come an election they're appealing to many more.

Just like Keir Starmer in reality. What he pledged in the leadership contest to get elected isn't the same now he's actually leader is it?  Immoral perhaps but understandable.

The point they make on more work does actually have some weight in some areas.  On the whole a lot of Brits don't want to work hard and covid has made that go further.  In some cases it's a battle to get people out of their houses.

If you want to improve productivity then it's generally a good idea to give workers the motivation to do so with things like productivity bonuses and a greater share of the increased profits created .

As with most things in life you get what you pay for .

I can't speak for all clearly only those I have experience with and even these things don't work with some. There is a real question mark around what some workers expect and what they want for it.  I'd give you some examples if i could of my experiences but clearly that's not professional.

The point on MPs is an interesting one.  Perhaps again we could find a way financially to motivate them more.  For the level some of them are why would they work harder when they can earn way more money through other means or corruption?  The morals we have are very different to many others granted but I also think we'd have better calibre if they were paid better.  David milliband was a good example when he saw the money he could earn elsewhere after one loss he was gone...

[SydneyRover]

''mmoral give me a break pud, what is immoral about Starmer? the most immoral he's been is have a beer with his canvassing team .......... and was cleared by the police ffs.

Tell that to some of your fellow left wing advocates who are outraged at his change of views on things such as nationalisation. Have a read throughy his leadership campaign and current policies''

A lot of em are only part timers pud and allow the tories in when they ave monk on

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62628176

Sunak is bang on right here.

Cutting taxes AND giving other benefits needed to save people from (and I'm not exaggerating here) freezing or starving to death this winter WILL massively stoke inflation.

You CAN do both, but the effect will be economically catastrophic.

I'm genuinely starting to get frightened about the next 2 years with Truss in power. We are either going to see the worst civil disaster since the War, or we are going to have the economy wrecked. Because she cannot possibly back pedal now, on tax cuts. But that won't be enough to scratch the surface of what is needed to protect the poorest half of the population (or businesses) from what is coming. So she's going to need to pump in another £50-100bn into bank accounts on top of the tens of billions of tax cuts that she's committed to. Which will give inflation another surge.

Very, very worrying times. And possibly the End of Days for the Tories.

[Ldr]

Truss as PM is the UK jumping the shark!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'd not spotted this in that BBC article.

"Ms Truss has promised an "emergency budget" if she becomes prime minister in two weeks' time.

She will reverse National Insurance rises and stop business tax hikes - and has hinted at further cash support for families struggling with energy bills.

But she will not ask for a forecast of how this will impact the economy."

Look at that last paragraph.

That's who is going to run the country for the next 2 years. A woman who doesn't want to hear from the experts we pay to advise her, because they would tell her it is literally insane to cut taxes for the richest in this crisis.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Or.

Am I underestimating her?

What if she gives a massive tax cut, gets a huge bounce in the polls then calls an October election?