Sunak or Truss

[SydneyRover]

It will be interesting to see if Keith comes out in support of the Unions and the People's Movements.

I've thought for a long time that the working class of this country has no-one speaking on their behalf, apart from people like Mick Lynch.

''Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country'' is a good place to start Steve

There you go Syd , your opportunity to stand up and be counted and do something about what you believe in most .

Rejoin The EU March & Rally Saturday 10th September starting from Hyde Park .

However if you are expecting to see anyone from the Labour Party speaking unfortunately you'll be disappointed .

Maybe Keith's banned it .

Think not of what Europe can do for you but what you can do for Europe .

Fly Qantas maybe   


https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/national-rejoin-march-tickets-396717281067?utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-medium=discovery&utm-term=listing&utm-source=cp&aff=escb

Thought for a long time, like a nanosecond tyke, you hadn't heard of Lynch 6 months ago aye? 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Or.

Am I underestimating her?

What if she gives a massive tax cut, gets a huge bounce in the polls then calls an October election?

That's what Labour are expecting

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/22/liz-trusss-arrival-in-no-10-could-deliver-tories-a-big-bounce-in-polls

If that IS the Truss policy, she's got a lot of catching up to do. Since Starmer announced his (admittedly limited) plan to deal with the energy crisis, Labour have been averaging 43% in the polls. For context, other than a handful of polls immediately after the 2017 Election, Labour hasn't averaged higher than 43 for any significant period of time since 2001.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rishi Sunak: I killed 40,000 people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62259107

Christ we are through the looking glass in politics these days.

[drfchound]

Or.

Am I underestimating her?

What if she gives a massive tax cut, gets a huge bounce in the polls then calls an October election?

That's what Labour are expecting

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/22/liz-trusss-arrival-in-no-10-could-deliver-tories-a-big-bounce-in-polls

If that IS the Truss policy, she's got a lot of catching up to do. Since Starmer announced his (admittedly limited) plan to deal with the energy crisis, Labour have been averaging 43% in the polls. For context, other than a handful of polls immediately after the 2017 Election, Labour hasn't averaged higher than 43 for any significant period of time since 2001.

“Admittedly limited”.
So not particularly good or sustainable then.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rishi Sunak: I killed 40,000 people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62259107

Christ we are through the looking glass in politics these days.

I honestly don't know what is the scariest possibility here.

1)The ide that he still, after all this time, doesn't realise that delaying the lockdowns didn't ever make things better. It made every single outcome worse. More infections. More pressure on the NHS. More deaths. Longer lockdown when it finally did come. More economic damage. That's just not even up for debate, outside a few flat earthers and chem trail head jobs.

2) Or the possibility that he knows damn well the catastrophe that was caused by the decision to delay the Xmas 2020 lockdown, and he's happy to feed the ignorance of the people he wants to vote for him.

Either way it's not a good position for a potential PM is it?

[Filo]

Rishi Sunak: I killed 40,000 people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62259107

Christ we are through the looking glass in politics these days.

I honestly don't know what is the scariest possibility here.

1)The ide that he still, after all this time, doesn't realise that delaying the lockdowns didn't ever make things better. It made every single outcome worse. More infections. More pressure on the NHS. More deaths. Longer lockdown when it finally did come. More economic damage. That's just not even up for debate, outside a few flat earthers and chem trail head jobs.

2) Or the possibility that he knows damn well the catastrophe that was caused by the decision to delay the Xmas 2020 lockdown, and he's happy to feed the ignorance of the people he wants to vote for him.

Either way it's not a good position for a potential PM is it?

He’s not going to be PM, we’re going to get the other nutter instead

[BillyStubbsTears]

No but he's got to within inches of it. And there he was, taking credit for a decision that cost tens of thousands of lives and tens of billions of unnecessary economic loss.

It's beyond stupidity. He's saying he's the hero for stopping the lockdown before Xmas 2020.

But the lockdown still came in early 2021. And because of that delay, the outbreak was twice as big as it was before Xmas. So more people died. More hospital time was taken. The lockdown had to go on for longer to screw it down to safe levels. So we lost far more money.

How can anyone take any of that as a f**king positive?

[turnbull for england]

Yeah but he saved Christmas....

[turnbull for england]

No but he's got to within inches of it. And there he was, taking credit for a decision that cost tens of thousands of lives and tens of billions of unnecessary economic loss.

It's beyond stupidity. He's saying he's the hero for stopping the lockdown before Xmas 2020.

But the lockdown still came in early 2021. And because of that delay, the outbreak was twice as big as it was before Xmas. So more people died. More hospital time was taken. The lockdown had to go on for longer to screw it down to safe levels. So we lost far more money.

How can anyone take any of that as a f**king positive?
He wasn't finished..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62664537

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1562886492946825217

Jesus wept.

There's a f**king war going on a few hundred miles away started by a true enemy of Western democracy and...this f**king air head is going to be our PM. Talking stupid, stupid shite like this because she's got precisely zero of any substance to offer but chucking red meat to the idiots who are going to put her in No 10. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've no particular axe to grind for Macron, but THIS is how to respond to that idiot Truss.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1563114953061863426

[danumdon]

I've no particular axe to grind for Macron, but THIS is how to respond to that idiot Truss.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1563114953061863426

From the same twitter thread,

Blustone
@pendrelll
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@Mij_Europe
Truss wasn't asked about France as an ally she was asked about Macron as a friend.
All you have done is expose your own bias, you attack Truss for saying Macron may not be a friend, but cheer Macron when he says the same about Truss and Johnson.

#notthesameforboth

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD.
In case it slipped your attention, Truss started this spat with a totally stupid and unnecessary comment.

The correct answer to the question she was asked was "Yes of course, what a stupid question. We have differences of course, but in the big picture we are fundamentally on the same side."

She didn't. She played to her gallery. Macron is absolutely justified in smacking her down.

Now I'll make a prediction.

Truss will continue to bait Macron and accuse him of manoeuvring over the NI Protocol. She will regularly threaten to pull out of the protocol and bring down the trade agreement with the EU.

And she will do precisely zero of substance.

Because this is all an act to try to secure the backing of thick xenophobes.

Make a note to check this prediction in 3, 6 and 12 months. If she lasts that long.

[danumdon]

DD.
In case it slipped your attention, Truss started this spat with a totally stupid and unnecessary comment.

The correct answer to the question she was asked was "Yes of course, what a stupid question. We have differences of course, but in the big picture we are fundamentally on the same side."

She didn't. She played to her gallery. Macron is absolutely justified in smacking her down.

Now I'll make a prediction.

Truss will continue to bait Macron and accuse him of manoeuvring over the NI Protocol. She will regularly threaten to pull out of the protocol and bring down the trade agreement with the EU.

And she will do precisely zero of substance.

Because this is all an act to try to secure the backing of thick xenophobes.

Make a note to check this prediction in 3, 6 and 12 months. If she lasts that long.

As usual you've managed to change the point of your reply to reinforce your belief that Macron=good whilst Truss is a complete dead loss.

Were talking about a man who "didn't play to any galleries" when the French had their submarine contract terminated by the Australians. Can you tell me he acted in a manner becoming a national leader?

In effect he did everything and worse that you are now alleging that Truss will do in the near future with regard to the NI Protocol.

Very easy to throw mud and hope it sticks at Truss when she is not even in the seat yet, the bloke has had more hissy fits and pranced around like a baby child for all the world to see, producing precisely zero of substance.

How you can accuse one of something she is yet to do of "precisely zero substance " and yet this preening show pony who has form gets away with and worse gets used as shining example of how one conducts themselves!!

Take a deep breath mate, step away from the pc and talk a long walk.

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD

Here's a challenge.

Go and have a look and see if you can find a single example of a post war western European leader publicly questioning  whether the leader of another western European country was a friend or a foe.

One will do.

As far as the prediction if what Truss will do, have a think what "prediction" means.

[SydneyRover]

''Another Tory MP who switched to Truss from another candidate said they felt “disappointed with the lack of focus on what matters to people” and acknowledged they had mostly backed her because she looked likely to win''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/26/liz-truss-tories-disarray-energy-crisis-urged-spell-out-plans-help

looking after number 1 then?

[Colemans Left Hook]

um interesting

[Panda]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1562886492946825217

Jesus wept.

There's a f**king war going on a few hundred miles away started by a true enemy of Western democracy and...this f**king air head is going to be our PM. Talking stupid, stupid shite like this because she's got precisely zero of any substance to offer but chucking red meat to the idiots who are going to put her in No 10.

Totally agree.

After Johnson though, anything or anybody is a massive improvement.

Neither Truss or Sunak are leaders, honest or aware of how much the country is struggling.

[BillyStubbsTears]

''Another Tory MP who switched to Truss from another candidate said they felt “disappointed with the lack of focus on what matters to people” and acknowledged they had mostly backed her because she looked likely to win''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/26/liz-truss-tories-disarray-energy-crisis-urged-spell-out-plans-help

looking after number 1 then?

I'm thinking some of the more intelligent Tory ministers will be wanting to get inside with Truss so they can be somewhere close to power and stop her making the Tories unelectable for a generation. Because she will if no-one reins her in.

Most new leaders get a honeymoon period because they are relatively unknown. Then they go down as they are in the public eye and seen to be, let's say, less than perfect.

Truss's polling figures are absolutely disastrous before she even takes power.

Look at the latest poll.  See the numbers for Q4 here.

https://peoplepolling.org/tables/202208_GBN_W34_full.pdf

And then look at the word map on the last page.

[SydneyRover]

I dunno bst, I can see why they want to run along side a 'winner' not sure about their motives though. If the plans on the table are the best she can come up with they'll be going down with the ship, icebergs abound.

[danumdon]

I don't imagine these treacherous Tory MPs have done anything different to what Labour MPs would have done after Blair stepping down and Brown taking over,or to Labour party machinations trying to get their man onto their national executive, with backroom deals with union barons, to these people it's job preservation, to the general public it's just more confirmation that these weasel political types will do and say anything to preserve their gravy train.

Not unexpected by any means.

[SydneyRover]

I don't imagine these treacherous Tory MPs have done anything different to what Labour MPs would have done after Blair stepping down and Brown taking over,or to Labour party machinations trying to get their man onto their national executive, with backroom deals with union barons, to these people it's job preservation, to the general public it's just more confirmation that these weasel political types will do and say anything to preserve their gravy train.

Not unexpected by any means.

I'm not sure why if you cannot see any difference in political parties or politicians you would want to spend your valuable time on a political thread dd, but there you go.

[danumdon]

I don't imagine these treacherous Tory MPs have done anything different to what Labour MPs would have done after Blair stepping down and Brown taking over,or to Labour party machinations trying to get their man onto their national executive, with backroom deals with union barons, to these people it's job preservation, to the general public it's just more confirmation that these weasel political types will do and say anything to preserve their gravy train.

Not unexpected by any means.

I'm not sure why if you cannot see any difference in political parties or politicians you would want to spend your valuable time on a political thread dd, but there you go.

Would that be the same as you spending time on a 4th division clubs board but never mentioning anything about football?

Are you one of them weird lurker types on the internet, what else do you get up to ?

[drfchound]

I don't imagine these treacherous Tory MPs have done anything different to what Labour MPs would have done after Blair stepping down and Brown taking over,or to Labour party machinations trying to get their man onto their national executive, with backroom deals with union barons, to these people it's job preservation, to the general public it's just more confirmation that these weasel political types will do and say anything to preserve their gravy train.

Not unexpected by any means.

I'm not sure why if you cannot see any difference in political parties or politicians you would want to spend your valuable time on a political thread dd, but there you go.

Would that be the same as you spending time on a 4th division clubs board but never mentioning anything about football?

Are you one of them weird lurker types on the internet, what else do you get up to ?

Not even 1% of his posts are on football matters.
I shudder to think what else he gets up to.

[drfchound]

I don't imagine these treacherous Tory MPs have done anything different to what Labour MPs would have done after Blair stepping down and Brown taking over,or to Labour party machinations trying to get their man onto their national executive, with backroom deals with union barons, to these people it's job preservation, to the general public it's just more confirmation that these weasel political types will do and say anything to preserve their gravy train.

Not unexpected by any means.

#allthesame

[SydneyRover]

I don't imagine these treacherous Tory MPs have done anything different to what Labour MPs would have done after Blair stepping down and Brown taking over,or to Labour party machinations trying to get their man onto their national executive, with backroom deals with union barons, to these people it's job preservation, to the general public it's just more confirmation that these weasel political types will do and say anything to preserve their gravy train.

Not unexpected by any means.

I'm not sure why if you cannot see any difference in political parties or politicians you would want to spend your valuable time on a political thread dd, but there you go.

Would that be the same as you spending time on a 4th division clubs board but never mentioning anything about football?

Are you one of them weird lurker types on the internet, what else do you get up to ?

Most of has already been said if you haven't noticed Einstein

[River Don]

Truss is so far not offering anything that is really going to moderate the energy crisis. I don't think she really knows what's going on.

Sunak understands what's happening but is not offering anywhere near enough support.

It's the devil and the deep blue sea.

I don't mind admitting, I'm fearful for the future.

[danumdon]

Truss is so far not offering anything that is really going to moderate the energy crisis. I don't think she really knows what's going on.

Sunak understands what's happening but is not offering anywhere near enough support.

It's the devil and the deep blue sea.

I don't mind admitting, I'm fearful for the future.

I'm hoping the advisors behind the scenes can talk some sense to the next leader, its going to take some doing but the next couple of years could be pivot-able for our  foreseeable economic wellbeing, i don't think anyone on here will be exempt from the sh*t storm that's about to hit us.

[ravenrover]

Misstrust is going to do the same as Johnson, surround herself with a bunch of no hopers as her Ministers.
I see Dottie Dorries is already asking her to show bravery and cancel the enquiry into Johnsons behaviour, not legal I understand.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Apparently Johnson is spending the rest of the week touring the country "to cement his legacy".

Just...words...