The Queen

[Panda]

I've actually read this thread back a few times now and i hold my hands up. I've been an arsehole.

It isn't about me. It is about the Queen and how best people wish to respect her life and her memory and pretty much nothing i've said on here contributes to that so yep, not good from my side it has to be said.

I do have some respect for the Queen and as a human being. After all, who wouldn't and whilst i'm not a monarchist and believe that the priveleges the Royals enjoy is wrong, many people have their own particular reasons for wanting to pay tributes and respects and who am i to judge them and make unnecessary comments?

Oddly enough, i've hit somewhat of a lightbulb moment where, totally unrelated to the Queen, i have seen the division that is occuring amongst society at the moment where two polar opposites are at it like cats and dogs. Mostly played out in the media and social media and whichever side you lean towards it is worth seeing the reality that each side has their own agenda to push which is creating societal polarity and division.

I guess BST in another post to me about GB News etc said something along those lines and whilst i do have a lot of the opinions that they hold on GB news, i have 100% become more angry and intolerant of pretty much everyone since Covid and since watching GB news and listening to Talk Radio.

I'm not going to suddenly start reading Gary Lineker's tweets every day or tune in to BBC religiously but i can actually see where this division is skewing my thinking, making me defensive and having a detrimental impact on my health.

I know Arthur Schopenhaur was a famous misanthropist philosopher and he's one of the few people i relate to but even he said that despite of all the horrors of humanity, the only answer and the only way out of that is compassion.

Compassion for others regardless of their views or actions is the only solution. I've just got to find it first. It must be around here somewhere as i had it before the Covid pandemic and since that it has been lost.

It seems like society changes so quick and it is difficult to adapt to that and especially with thinking and i guess it feels safer to stick with what you know. Or what you think you know and when things change around you and you stand still, you get left behind and stuck with older ways of thinking and outdated views. As a poster said yesterday who was particularly critical of my archaic views.

[Panda]

Before Covid i used to give money to homeless people. If i was out shopping and there was one outside the supermarket then i'd give them a fiver, sometimes a tenner.

I was told once that compassion is not what that homeless person does with the money i give them but the act of giving in the first place and having hope that that homeless person is genuinely homeless and not going out to get a load of drugs but will get some food and drink.

I have no way of knowing either way but that is out of my hands once i have given the money. The act of kindness and compassion is giving in the first place.

[bpoolrover]

good post mate

[Draytonian III]

That’s good news about Sinclair What a total wxxker.  I hope people give him the same long lasting career changing grief other people get for similar things
To say what he’s said he’s a tool

I hope he never works again. What a disrespectful cxxt

Well said, I’m totally agreement.

[scawsby steve]

30 odd years ago I was waiting to cross a busy main road around Southwark way. The traffic was moving albeit very slowly. A green Jaguar car crawled past as I was trying to squeeze in between the cars. I looked into the car and noticed it was the Queen driving it!! I shit you not! The Queen was driving in crawling traffic as I was waiting to step out onto the road!! Absolutely unbelievable! There were 2 blokes in the car with her who I’d assume we’re bodyguards but it was definitely her! It still seems surreal even all these years later!

That's unbelievable, mate; that she didn't wave and shout "Hey up, Herbert".

[Nudga]

The St Leger is on Sunday now but kids football isn't.

Somebody please explain.

[IDM]

It is up to each sports’ authority to decide whether to postpone events, there is no government directive..

[BillyStubbsTears]

Last night of the Proms cancelled.

Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.

Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.

It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.

[Filo]

The situation we have today is that there won’t be many left when the last Monarch died, media availability for most was the wireless or the newspaper, expsure to news today is saturation compared to then

[River Don]

The situation we have today is that there won’t be many left when the last Monarch died, media availability for most was the wireless or the newspaper, expsure to news today is saturation compared to then

Saturation is the word. It's wall to wall Queen again on the main terrestrial channels. I'm fed up with it now, so I've put Netflix on. The Crown.

[tyke1962]

Last night of the Proms cancelled.

Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.

Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.

It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.

It's called Top Down mourning Billy works similar to poppy shaming in my opinion .

[belton rover]

Last night of the Proms cancelled.

Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.

Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.

It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.

70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.

Again, shame on you.

[drfchound]

Last night of the Proms cancelled.

Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.

Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.

It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.

70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.

Again, shame on you.

[ncRover]

Our greatest ever monarch. RIP.

Is the funeral expected to be on Monday 19th? I’m sure 2 consecutive weekends without football isn’t what she’d have wanted.

[River Don]

Our greatest ever monarch. RIP.

Is the funeral expected to be on Monday 19th? I’m sure 2 consecutive weekends without football isn’t what she’d have wanted.

Ooof, big call. I think I'd go for ER I. And who could forget Canute, when Yorkshire was at the heart of the Viking empire? Or Constantine the great, crowned in York, the man who made Europe Christian.

[selby]

 There are more of us than you think Filo, this is nothing, I can remember the durge music  that seemed to go on for ever on the BBC radio when the news of the king dying was broadcast.
 The coronation of the queen however seemed amazing at the time, and seemed to herald a new dawn for the first time since the war I suppose, we even won the Ashes, the Mathews final, and climbing Everest on que.
  And all the time we were headed by the gorgeous young queen, even coming to the races in the town where we clamoured to get a glimpse as the biggest cars in the world went by and a day off school to stand there and cheer, as a youngster it was great, and was the start of a great reign by that young queen, she will be missed by many and a hard act to follow, I am not really a royalist, but I can't think of anything better to replace what we have had, hopefully Charles the third steps up to the plate and makes his mark in history, he has a lot to do to bring the country together like it was my youth.

[tyke1962]

Last night of the Proms cancelled.

Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.

Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.

It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.

70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.

Again, shame on you.

The other side to this is that the country has been put in to mourning for the next 10 days for a 96 year old woman who hardly anyone of us has met , spoken to or even watched getting interviewed .

Nobody really knows that much about her .

She's shook thousands of hands and had a million small talk conversations I'll give you that but nobody knows her other than her family and even then it's debatable .

The powers that be have told you she's a nice lady , she might be but neither you or I know that for sure .

This thing is planted in your head when you are at school , the bloody national anthem celebrates royalty not the country .

It's a masterclass in psychology and propaganda .

That said it's not actually her fault , she was born in to it and to be fair did a remarkable job of what ever the point of it all is which I have an opinion on too but not now .

It's not a job I'd have wanted so fair play to her .

[Bentley Bullet]

Tyke, why wasn't it planted in your head then?

[ncRover]

I think the relationship between Parliament and Monarchy is important in stopping tyrannical leaders taking hold.

The Queen met with the PM every week and she understood the responsibility that comes with power as she is part of an age-old institution.

[River Don]

I think the relationship between Parliament and Monarchy is important in stopping tyrannical leaders taking hold.

There is a lot to be said for this. It is difficult for political leaders to become too full of their own brilliance whilst ever they are subservient to the monarch.

[Branton Red]

For the first, and I suspect last, time in my life I'm genuinely upset (not just saddened) by the death of someone I never met.

I'm surprised at my reaction to be honest and have been trying to rationalise it to myself.

The Queen was not just an exemplary constitutional monarch but more importantly she reinvented the monarchy for the modern age.

Her Grandfather and Great-Grandfather were active in UK political life in a way which would be totally unacceptable in a modern, mature democracy.

The Queen not only deliberately kept herself above politics but her discretion and supreme diplomacy meant in 70+ years of being Head of State and continuously meeting people she never betrayed her personal political beliefs.

On the very odd occasion she did intervene (e.g. Scottish referendum) it was well judged and suitably subtle.

By reinventing the monarchy as wholly apolitical she has enhanced our democracy and ensured the chief politician is just an MP - not a President who would be much more difficult to remove from office on misbehaving or getting completely out of step with the electorate - see our last 2 PMs.

An apolitical constitutional monarch can IMO opinion therefore be a blessing to democracy. The Queen certainly was thanks to all her much discussed virtues but she's the gold standard. That's why she's such a loss and also such a difficult act to follow.

[Filo]

The nearest I got to the Queen was in 1977, I was 14 years old and on my bike with my mates at the bus stop near the Bay Horse, her motorcade came by on her way to review the RAF at RAF Finningley as part of her Silver Jubilee celebrations

[tyke1962]

Tyke, why wasn't it planted in your head then?

It was as a younger boy and man BB , 1977 jubilee and street party's , 81 Charlie and Di's wedding .

As I grew older the point of it came to me through life experience .

[ncRover]

For the first, and I suspect last, time in my life I'm genuinely upset (not just saddened) by the death of someone I never met.

I'm surprised at my reaction to be honest and have been trying to rationalise it to myself.

The Queen was not just an exemplary constitutional monarch but more importantly she reinvented the monarchy for the modern age.

Her Grandfather and Great-Grandfather were active in UK political life in a way which would be totally unacceptable in a modern, mature democracy.

The Queen not only deliberately kept herself above politics but her discretion and supreme diplomacy meant in 70+ years of being Head of State and continuously meeting people she never betrayed her personal political beliefs.

On the very odd occasion she did intervene (e.g. Scottish referendum) it was well judged and suitably subtle.

By reinventing the monarchy as wholly apolitical she has enhanced our democracy and ensured the chief politician is just an MP - not a President who would be much more difficult to remove from office on misbehaving or getting completely out of step with the electorate - see our last 2 PMs.

An apolitical constitutional monarch can IMO opinion therefore be a blessing to democracy. The Queen certainly was thanks to all her much discussed virtues but she's the gold standard. That's why she's such a loss and also such a difficult act to follow.

Brilliantly put. She also oversaw decolonisation.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Last night of the Proms cancelled.

Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.

Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.

It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.

70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.

Again, shame on you.

The other side to this is that the country has been put in to mourning for the next 10 days for a 96 year old woman who hardly anyone of us has met , spoken to or even watched getting interviewed .

Nobody really knows that much about her .

She's shook thousands of hands and had a million small talk conversations I'll give you that but nobody knows her other than her family and even then it's debatable .

The powers that be have told you she's a nice lady , she might be but neither you or I know that for sure .

This thing is planted in your head when you are at school , the bloody national anthem celebrates royalty not the country .

It's a masterclass in psychology and propaganda .

That said it's not actually her fault , she was born in to it and to be fair did a remarkable job of what ever the point of it all is which I have an opinion on too but not now .

It's not a job I'd have wanted so fair play to her .

I think Belton is in another one of his flaps where he chooses to read the most unpleasant thing he can into whatever I post. It would give a psychiatrist a lot of work.

For the record, while not a royalist, I had respect for the Queen. She knew what the role of the Royal Family was in the modern world and she played it to perfection.

I suspect she'd have been bemused at the Met Office cancelling weather forecasts for fear of giving offence. And one of my staff mailing me last night asking whether we should cancel work today "out of respect". Because she knew what the Monarchy was, and that it wasn't something to be worshipped.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This by the way.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1568294704327819271

If the Queen meant anything, she was a unifying force. She emphasised the things that unite us.

[Bentley Bullet]

Tyke, why wasn't it planted in your head then?

It was as a younger boy and man BB , 1977 jubilee and street party's , 81 Charlie and Di's wedding .

As I grew older the point of it came to me through life experience .

Are you sure you're not confused with being installed with psychology and propaganda when in reality you were being taught basic respect?

[Nudga]

Did she ever do a gloveless handshake with the peasants of her Realm?

[Colin C No.3]

I've actually read this thread back a few times now and i hold my hands up. I've been an arsehole.

It isn't about me. It is about the Queen and how best people wish to respect her life and her memory and pretty much nothing i've said on here contributes to that so yep, not good from my side it has to be said.

I do have some respect for the Queen and as a human being. After all, who wouldn't and whilst i'm not a monarchist and believe that the priveleges the Royals enjoy is wrong, many people have their own particular reasons for wanting to pay tributes and respects and who am i to judge them and make unnecessary comments?

Oddly enough, i've hit somewhat of a lightbulb moment where, totally unrelated to the Queen, i have seen the division that is occuring amongst society at the moment where two polar opposites are at it like cats and dogs. Mostly played out in the media and social media and whichever side you lean towards it is worth seeing the reality that each side has their own agenda to push which is creating societal polarity and division.

I guess BST in another post to me about GB News etc said something along those lines and whilst i do have a lot of the opinions that they hold on GB news, i have 100% become more angry and intolerant of pretty much everyone since Covid and since watching GB news and listening to Talk Radio.

I'm not going to suddenly start reading Gary Lineker's tweets every day or tune in to BBC religiously but i can actually see where this division is skewing my thinking, making me defensive and having a detrimental impact on my health.

I know Arthur Schopenhaur was a famous misanthropist philosopher and he's one of the few people i relate to but even he said that despite of all the horrors of humanity, the only answer and the only way out of that is compassion.

Compassion for others regardless of their views or actions is the only solution. I've just got to find it first. It must be around here somewhere as i had it before the Covid pandemic and since that it has been lost.

It seems like society changes so quick and it is difficult to adapt to that and especially with thinking and i guess it feels safer to stick with what you know. Or what you think you know and when things change around you and you stand still, you get left behind and stuck with older ways of thinking and outdated views. As a poster said yesterday who was particularly critical of my archaic views.

With all due respect to the mental issues you are currently struggling with as you have well documented on this forum, I feel you ought to take a step back now (especially as you have alluded to doing exactly that only this week) as I feel you’re in danger of becoming a parody of yourself with long, very long posts that you then quickly apologise for posting?!

Time perhaps to take a step back & go & get some fresh air?

I say this (believe it or not) with the best of intentions.

We can all sometimes get ‘caught up in’ fruitless opinions which when we receive no positive (or indeed any comment to at all) continue to ‘drill down’ like a ‘mad dentist’ until we’ve hit so many nerves we end up ‘hitting’ our own.

Now there’s an analogy for you to chew over (no pun intended!) just trying to gently ease your grip off something that’s really not that important enough to drive you to distraction?

Rovers have a ‘breather’ now until Tuesday (hopefully).

Why not take one too & go get some September sun in your face?

[Colin C No.3]

Did she ever do a gloveless handshake with the peasants of her Realm?

She visited an Aberdeen Hospice 2 months ago & with a bare, frail hand shook one of the patients hands who laid a bandaged hand on top of the Queens. She waited until the patient ‘decided’ to let go.

The lady patient wasn’t a peasant in as much as I would define such a person in fact I would never call anyone a peasant……I tend to call them ‘Nudgas’.