truss

[ravenrover]

Just checking if Hunt with a silent C is still Chancellor

[Not Now Kato]

So let me get this straight, an incompetent recently appointed PM has just sacked her own incompetent recently appointed Chancellor for implementing her own incompetent policies...

[BillyStubbsTears]

Greater self love hath no woman than this.

That she lays down someone else's career to save hers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just listened to her press conference.

Christ, that was horrific. She made Theresa May seem like Graham Norton.

I feel dirty having experienced that. It's like being a voyeur at someone's nervous breakdown.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Can you begin to imagine how far down the Dunning-Kruger highway Truss is?

She's been in Govt for 11 years. She's seen how hard it is being PM from close up. And it appears never to have dawned on her that she might be just a tiny tad out of her depth in that role.

[scawsby steve]

Genuine question, mainly for a bit of fun.

Could Boris actually be brought back here? Is it beyond the realms of possibility, with the way this lot are performing?

[tommy toes]

I've seen it twice and still can't believe it.
Always said she had a slate loose.
Now I think you can see the loft insulation.

[drfchound]

SS, there is every possibility that they might recall Boris.
However, whatever happens, Truss has to go.

[tyke1962]

Smells like a GE coming to me .

Really? Can you smell who it is that's going to make it happen too? Because the people who want one can't make one happen and the people who can make it happen don't want one.

It's called paralysis , the leader can't govern because she's no longer got a majority .

There's only one outcome in such situations .

No there isn't.

There only has to be an early GE if Parliament cannot find a PM who can command a majority.

If Parliament votes No Confidence in Truss, but is prepared to support, say, Sunak or Mordaunt, there's no need to have a GE.

Truss has no authority , the country is set for a huge recession .

She won't last too much longer and neither will this government .

In my opinion .

[tyke1962]

Smells like a GE coming to me .

Really? Can you smell who it is that's going to make it happen too? Because the people who want one can't make one happen and the people who can make it happen don't want one.

It's called paralysis , the leader can't govern because she's no longer got a majority .

There's only one outcome in such situations .

So why didn't this 'only one outcome' happen when the Tories didn't support Boris? Because it doesn't work like that.

The backbenchers will tell Truss what policies they will vote for. Either she goes along with them and her government limps on or she resigns - which means a new Tory leader without a General Election. Again.

Just because a Government loses a vote in the Commons it doesn't mean a General Election - otherwise we'd have had a General Election every time May lost yet another Brexit vote because her own backbenchers voted against her.

Oh, btw, the first option when there is true paralysis would be the monarch asking if there was someone else in the Commons who would be able to govern with a majority. In this case maybe Sunak could - they don't even have to be an elected party leader, just be able to get MPs to vote for their legislation in the Commons. Not a General Election.

Totally disagree , guess we will see in due course .

[Filo]

The Lib Dem 1994 version

https://youtu.be/2qfg1AQnWIM

[Colin C No.3]

SS, there is every possibility that they might recall Boris.
However, whatever happens, Truss has to go.

As he left his last pmq’s he uttered the immortal words “Hasta la vista, baby”.

Let’s all pray those words don’t come back to haunt us!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here's the really frightening thing.

She's made the worst policy decision in decades, going for that batshit Budget.

She's now effectively admitted it was wrong by reversing half the tax cuts.

Did it not dawn on her to say "sorry" in this Press Conf?

She could have said "I believed and still believe that the tax cuts were the right way forward but you can't buck the Market. I'm sorry for the mistake and I'm going to learn fast."

A bit of humility. Maybe get a few people on her side.

Instead we got the dead eyed doll just lifelessly repeating "I want growth"


The level of disconnect with the scale of the f**k-up she has unleashed is genuinely scary. 

[scawsby steve]

The Lib Dem 1994 version

https://youtu.be/2qfg1AQnWIM

What an absolute disgrace as a human being. She's not only as mad as a March hare, she's the biggest turncoat I've ever seen. From a Lib Dem to a Tory, from a ranting anti-monarchist to someone reading the second lesson at the Queen's funeral; and then a U turn on practically every policy she's spouted about since she's been in office.

F*ck me, we all know Boris was bad, but this woman's beyond words.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Lib Dem 1994 version

https://youtu.be/2qfg1AQnWIM

What an absolute disgrace as a human being. She's not only as mad as a March hare, she's the biggest turncoat I've ever seen. From a Lib Dem to a Tory, from a ranting anti-monarchist to someone reading the second lesson at the Queen's funeral; and then a U turn on practically every policy she's spouted about since she's been in office.

F*ck me, we all know Boris was bad, but this woman's beyond words.

You WERE warned...

[tyke1962]

The Lib Dem 1994 version

https://youtu.be/2qfg1AQnWIM

What an absolute disgrace as a human being. She's not only as mad as a March hare, she's the biggest turncoat I've ever seen. From a Lib Dem to a Tory, from a ranting anti-monarchist to someone reading the second lesson at the Queen's funeral; and then a U turn on practically every policy she's spouted about since she's been in office.

F*ck me, we all know Boris was bad, but this woman's beyond words.

There's no unifying politician in the Tory ranks Steve , they are completely fecked mate .

The game is up , there isn't a move they can make that makes this better , sacking Kamakwasi improves nothing , U turns don't cut it with electorate .

The biggest issue is they've nobody to blame anymore , totally out of bullets .

Two more years just isn't going to happen in my opinion with the shyte show that's coming down the road .

The Tories will take the hammering they are going to receive and play the long game knowing full well Labour have a mountain of problems to overcome .

Keith will get it big time everyday in the Tory press whilst the Conservatives knuckle down in opposition and sort themselves out .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

The Tories have nothing to sort themselves out over. They are utterly bereft of any intellectual underpinning political philosophy. They have stood for nothing for decades. They are a bunch of chancers who grabbed at a few chances to get into power (Austerity, Brexit) but that's all they are and all they have.

[River Don]

So that was another eventfull day. I'm not surprised, my sister, who knew her did warn me long before she was elected, that Truss was a completely innapropriate choice. I told you so.

She will be gone very soon I think.

[wilts rover]

Anybody wondering what Jeremy Hunt will be like as chancellor?

Google - Jermy Hunt tax evasion - and you might get some idea. Another dodgy Tory in a position of power.

[River Don]

Anybody wondering what Jeremy Hunt will be like as chancellor?

Google - Jermy Hunt tax evasion - and you might get some idea. Another dodgy Tory in a position of power.

Hunt campained for corporation tax to be cut to a lower level than Kwarteng was prepared to go...

Lower taxes are fine if we can afford it but with high energy prices weighing down on the nation we cannot afford it.

[River Don]

Rachel Reeves is talking about the need for economic growth too and actually supporting quite a lot of Truss tax cutting measures...

It's a bit naive. The Labour Party should be warning the European economy is under huge pressure from Putin. They can't offer the growth Truss promises but they can do their level best to nurse the economy through another crisis.

[Donnywolf]

Genuine question, mainly for a bit of fun.

Could Boris actually be brought back here? Is it beyond the realms of possibility, with the way this lot are performing?

Quite possibly .

Remember Blackadder 3 when he said to Prince George and Baldrick [after beind sacked I think] "you wont last 10 minutes without me ".

Mayhem ensued and he came back in and said something like 9 mins 50 seconds - see told you !

Thats what Pinocchio might be thinking right now

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

The Tories have nothing to sort themselves out over. They are utterly bereft of any intellectual underpinning political philosophy. They have stood for nothing for decades. They are a bunch of chancers who grabbed at a few chances to get into power (Austerity, Brexit) but that's all they are and all they have.

Yeh because The Labour Party is a real ideas machine isn't it Billy ?

I sincerely hope you aren't sticking up your nose the same substance Syd does if you think the Labour cavalry are on the horizon sat on white horses ready to save the day .

Labour will completely fall their asses Billy when elected to government .

Until they come with a way to tax the wealth in this country and put that money back in to the country you may as well chalk feck it on it .

That's the only way for this country to gets its economic mojo back and that's whether it's in the EU or not .

The Tories ain't going there and neither will Labour .

[BillyStubbsTears]

RD.

Strong growth is desperately needed on our economy. We've now had 14 years of sub-optimal growth and we have to kick out of it.

There's nothing at all wrong with that as an aim. The problem with Truss is that no-one outside Minford's cabal of crank economists believes that her approach will work.

[wilts rover]

Rumours that far more than the required 56 letters of No Confidence have been submitted to Graham Brady. Current Tory rules state a No Confidence vote cannot be held until at least 12 months after the election of a leader.

Brady is out of the country at the moment - back on Monday. Should be an 'interesting' week next week.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

It's sad to see how your prejudices make you blind to people who are basically on your side.

Labour has stuck to broadly Keynesian orthodox economic policy for 30 years now. It's a central tenet of Labour's, not least because it works. Used sensibly, it gives long term, stable growth and smooths out the worst of recessions. It's not flashy or sexy, but it does what you want Govt to do - give you a general, steady upwards trajectory to living standards. Even Corbyn basically bought into that.

That's the sort of thinking that is absent at the heart of modern Conservativism. They don't know what they believe, so they grab at batshit ideas like Expansionary Fiscal Contraction. Like Brexit somehow setting us up as a dynamic, free economy. Like the current Laffer Curve/trickle down b*llocks.

Then there's Labour's vision of I vesting in the Green Agenda to bring decent, skilled jobs to the population.

It's all out there if you drop your prejudices and have a look.

[Filo]

Rumours that far more than the required 56 letters of No Confidence have been submitted to Graham Brady. Current Tory rules state a No Confidence vote cannot be held until at least 12 months after the election of a leader.

Brady is out of the country at the moment - back on Monday. Should be an 'interesting' week next week.

This is the perfect time for Labour to have a vote of no confidence, trump those more than 56 letters, they are meaningless if they reject a no confidence vote

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

It's sad to see how your prejudices make you blind to people who are basically on your side.

Labour has stuck to broadly Keynesian orthodox economic policy for 30 years now. It's a central tenet of Labour's, not least because it works. Used sensibly, it gives long term, stable growth and smooths out the worst of recessions. It's not flashy or sexy, but it does what you want Govt to do - give you a general, steady upwards trajectory to living standards. Even Corbyn basically bought into that.

That's the sort of thinking that is absent at the heart of modern Conservativism. They don't know what they believe, so they grab at batshit ideas like Expansionary Fiscal Contraction. Like Brexit somehow setting us up as a dynamic, free economy. Like the current Laffer Curve/trickle down b*llocks.

Then there's Labour's vision of I vesting in the Green Agenda to bring decent, skilled jobs to the population.

It's all out there if you drop your prejudices and have a look.

They aren't prejudice , I've seen the Green Energy and ok it sounds fine but short of detail on how it's going to be financed .

The Labour Party suffers from the same disease the Tories do , they have almost no talent within their ranks , some decent people I'll give you that but that's not the same as talent .

Both party's have had their day Billy and to be honest I think the vast majority of the people in this country would tell you the same thing .

They are completely turned off by politicians , the sad part about this and to be honest it's totally down to the politicians in this country is that  most people's bills and mortgages are rising rapidly but millions don't know why .

That's how turned off they are .

[River Don]

RD.

Strong growth is desperately needed on our economy. We've now had 14 years of sub-optimal growth and we have to kick out of it.

There's nothing at all wrong with that as an aim. The problem with Truss is that no-one outside Minford's cabal of crank economists believes that her approach will work.

I do not believe any approach will work whilst gas prices are so high. It's a massive tax on production.

[grayx]

Im just gobsmacked that the tories voted for this crazy woman to be their leader. I dont like Sunak but surely he would have been the sensible choice.