truss

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/GwynneMP/status/1581965504557699072?s=20&t=CkpgEy-FFnE6Y5eSAQeT4Q

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is unhinged.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1581970922616999939

Trying to blather through this with "We were right but...global conditions are getting worse."

She's trying to stay in post isn't she?

Jesus wept, has the woman no sense of self awareness at all?

[mugnapper]

That is simply bizarre. There is no other word for it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

That is simply bizarre. There is no other word for it.

This is what gets me.

She says it's all because "global economic conditions are worsening" that she's had to make changes.

Here's a thing though.

Is there any other country in the world whose Finance Dept had to put out a note at 6am this morning saying there'd be an  emergency statement today to stop the gilt markets collapsing?

It's like she has zero comprehension of how serious this is. Or she thinks people are so f**king stupid, they'll swallow this bullshit. 

[mugnapper]

Will she turn up for Starmer's urgent question on the Economy before Hunt's statement?
I seriously doubt it

[Glyn_Wigley]

No Minister wants to do the broadcast rounds this morning on behalf of Thick Lizzy

https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1581895937336967169?s=61&t=pYEEoGnSj7WCpnhSXMvTfQ

Probably because they've no idea what they're going to be expected to be saying by the end of the day.

[BobG]

I heard a story this morning that the mini budget may have been a deliberate trashing designed to deliberately tank the £ so the Tory hedge fund pals could make a killing… and then lose the next GE deliberately. Labour will then never be able to undo the damage quick enough, so the Tories and their 'press' supporters would soon start blaming Labour for the mess. That’s what happens every time.

Hardly likely one would think. But the next general election has been a good one to lose for over a year now and the depths of infamy of some of those secretive right wing think tanks has never yet been plumbed...

Still, the Colombian peso as I write is now at 5304. That's the highest, except for one brief occasion, in the last 2 years. Last week it was 4800. The ups and downs of a nervous market...  Shame I bought a few grand at 5100!

Lol. There's enough pesos sat in my wardrobe to make me a multi multi millionaire!

BobG

[mugnapper]

I heard a story this morning that the mini budget may have been a deliberate trashing designed to deliberately tank the £ so the Tory hedge fund pals could make a killing… and then lose the next GE deliberately. Labour will then never be able to undo the damage quick enough, so the Tories and their 'press' supporters would soon start blaming Labour for the mess. That’s what happens every time.

Hardly likely one would think. But the next general election has been a good one to lose for over a year now and the depths of infamy of some of those secretive right wing think tanks has never yet been plumbed...

BobG

A conspiracy theory?
You've been exposed to Panda Bear too long lol

[mugnapper]

Will she turn up for Starmer's urgent question on the Economy before Hunt's statement?
I seriously doubt it

I can answer my own question.
She will not, she is sending Mordaunt instead.
Be interesting to see what, if any, backing Mordaunt gives to Truss.

[BobG]

I don't think you will find, anywhere, even a hint I believe the theory. Maybe I should have been much more explicit for you. The point is that stories like these are starting to circulate. And sone people will find grounds to wonder. Stuff like this will be poison to the Tory party.  Once the mood swings, it is impossible to reverse without a lot of time and a lot of change. Remember the Labour party always spends lots? Or the Tories are prudent with money? Surely you can draw the appropriate conclusions from what is an entirely new take on the Tory world? It is entirely irrelevant whether it is true or not. The point is stories like these are now out there. That is revolutionary!

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mordaunt did a decent job at the dispatch box today. I wonder if the ghost of Jim Bowen is saying to the swivel eyed loons and golf club bores that make up the Tory party membership "Look at what you could have won"?

Truss beat Mordaunt, Hunt and Sunak only a few weeks ago.

Now Mordaunt has to stand in for her, while Hunt unravels her mess by reverting to Sunak's policies.

This is a humiliation for the country on a scale that will have historians debating it in 200 years.

Max Hastings once said that if the UK ever elected Johnson as PM, it would have lost all claims on being a serious nation. Turns out Johnson was just the support act for the real disaster. It's a f**king long way back from here to regain international credibility.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Will she turn up for Starmer's urgent question on the Economy before Hunt's statement?
I seriously doubt it

I can answer my own question.
She will not, she is sending Mordaunt instead.
Be interesting to see what, if any, backing Mordaunt gives to Truss.

Apparently she has 'a very good (unspecified) reason she can't be there'.

This has all the hallmarks of the start of an Eden/Macmillan 'illness' departure.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If she is so rattled that she cannot come to the House for this debate, she HAS to be removed immediately.

Imagine having her in charge if Putin ups the ante? Actually don't. It is too frightening.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Mordaunt did a decent job at the dispatch box today. I wonder if the ghost of Jim Bowen is saying to the swivel eyed loons and golf club bores that make up the Tory party membership "Look at what you could have won"?

Truss beat Mordaunt, Hunt and Sunak only a few weeks ago.

Now Mordaunt has to stand in for her, while Hunt unravels her mess by reverting to Sunak's policies.

This is a humiliation for the country on a scale that will have historians debating it in 200 years.

Max Hastings once said that if the UK ever elected Johnson as PM, it would have lost all claims on being a serious nation. Turns out Johnson was just the support act for the real disaster. It's a f**king long way back from here to regain international credibility.

Remember the members only got a choice of two.  It's like the opposite of Corbyn isn't it who made it to labour members more by chance then won it.  Sunak was the MPs favourite remember.

She has no power she'll be gone soon.

Two strategies for the Tories.

1. Put someone in to deliver loads in the next year to give them a fighting chance (unlikely).

2. Put someone in, call a GE, lose it then see if labour can achieve anything now we've seen they can't borrow more.  This is a problem for labour, their options are limited but will have to include tax rises at the higher rates I suspect.

[mugnapper]

'This Government pays it's way'.
'We took over in 2010 when there was no money left'.
Get ready to hear these 2 churned out from the Tory benches from now till the Election.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I fundamentally disagree with Hunt's politics on many points.

But Christ, what a relief to hear a grown up just now, rather than the batshittery that Kwarteng and Truss have been spouting for the past month. You can have a sensible disagreement on issues where at least the basic tenet are established. You can't argue with people who deny the principles of basic logic. With Hunt, it felt like finally a grown up is back in charge, for all his faults.

Truss, sat at the side of him, looked like she'd been tranquilized. Barely a movement from her. Barely a reaction. Not a word to anyone. Like I said before, this is very serious. She has to be replaced before there are any more major national decisions to be made.

[belton rover]

If she is so rattled that she cannot come to the House for this debate, she HAS to be removed immediately.

Imagine having her in charge if Putin ups the ante? Actually don't. It is too frightening.

Thanks for imagining all the scary stuff so we don’t have to, Billy.

[ChrisBx]

Truss will be out in the next 48 hours.

[tyke1962]

‘Corbynites’ have much to answer for.

They gave Bozo a 60 seat majority & what followed was inevitable.

The longer Truss is in No.10 the quicker that 60 seat majority evaporates & turns in Labours favour.

Just keep playing with a ‘straight bat’ Kier & it’s curtains for the Tories come the GE.

I wondered how long it would take for Corbyn to get the blame .

Well done .

[Filo]

No. 10 spokesperson now saying the reason the PM wasn’t at the urgent question is that she was at a pre planned meeting with Graham Brady, only Graham Brady was in the Chamber for the urgent question. She than sat there for half an hour like a hostage awaiting her fate

[mugnapper]

Was Isaac Hunt trying to come over as an Elder Statesman?
TBF ( That's short for to be fair), compared to the absolute f#ckwittery That's been going on, he actually did sound like a Mester. Even if I don't like him or his party

[wilts rover]

Can't be bothered to check if this has already been posted but quick update & further info on Liz Truss and mental health:

Interview on the Mens' Health podcast: How Truss laughed when she sacked Jonny Mercer because she didn't share his passion for the mental health of ex-service personnel.

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-strength/a41639349/alastair-campbell-johnny-mercer-liz-truss-interview/

[turnbull for england]

Thanks Wilts, I've just read that . If only we had a few more like him . His description of Truss  should mean she never works again

[normal rules]

It’s a shame penny mordaunt did not get the job over truss. She comes over very well at the dispatch box and I though she did a pretty good job of tearing starmer a new one today over his reversal of most if not all of the policies he pledged if he became PM.

[ChrisBx]

It’s a shame penny mordaunt did not get the job over truss. She comes over very well at the dispatch box and I though she did a pretty good job of tearing starmer a new one today over his reversal of most if not all of the policies he pledged if he became PM.

Yet when she appeared on the leadership debates she was devoid of, well, pretty much everything.

It's easy to regurgitate baseless lines of attack while completely avoiding the real issue.

[tyke1962]

It’s a shame penny mordaunt did not get the job over truss. She comes over very well at the dispatch box and I though she did a pretty good job of tearing starmer a new one today over his reversal of most if not all of the policies he pledged if he became PM.

Apart from the fact she's also completely useless and hasn't made a good fist of a cabinet job yet .

That's not my take by the way that's from the Tories themselves .

When the bar is as low as it is today within the Tory ranks a 10 year old child would seem credible .

Easy enough , just reverse the fruitcake policies of the last 3 weeks and be able to complete a sentence without sounding like you've taken hallucinating drugs .

As I say it's a low bar .

[BillyStubbsTears]

I fundamentally disagree with Hunt's politics on many points.

But Christ, what a relief to hear a grown up just now, rather than the batshittery that Kwarteng and Truss have been spouting for the past month. You can have a sensible disagreement on issues where at least the basic tenet are established. You can't argue with people who deny the principles of basic logic. With Hunt, it felt like finally a grown up is back in charge, for all his faults.

Truss, sat at the side of him, looked like she'd been tranquilized. Barely a movement from her. Barely a reaction. Not a word to anyone. Like I said before, this is very serious. She has to be replaced before there are any more major national decisions to be made.

Here is the problem with the Sensible Tories' approach though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Masonboyowen/status/1582050648723714048

Surely to God they cannot be so stupid as to slash capital infrastructure investment again?

[tommy toes]

I fundamentally disagree with Hunt's politics on many points.

But Christ, what a relief to hear a grown up just now, rather than the batshittery that Kwarteng and Truss have been spouting for the past month. You can have a sensible disagreement on issues where at least the basic tenet are established. You can't argue with people who deny the principles of basic logic. With Hunt, it felt like finally a grown up is back in charge, for all his faults.

Truss, sat at the side of him, looked like she'd been tranquilized. Barely a movement from her. Barely a reaction. Not a word to anyone. Like I said before, this is very serious. She has to be replaced before there are any more major national decisions to be made.

Here is the problem with the Sensible Tories' approach though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Masonboyowen/status/1582050648723714048

Surely to God they cannot be so stupid as to slash capital infrastructure investment again?

They will and I was expecting it.
They'll go down the same Austerity road as before.
What's that saying about doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome?

[Filo]

Brilliant

https://twitter.com/coldwarsteve/status/1582041020505632768?s=61&t=2h6hOzcKnHOMB6b3RIYszw

[tommy toes]

That's so funny Filo. Mrs T is in stitches.