truss

[Glyn_Wigley]

So many fascinating elements to it.  Truss won't survive, she was never the right choice (nor was Sunak btw).

Boris had his faults massively but this is another level.

Boris had the talent of self-preservation. Truss...does she have any talents at all?

[River Don]

One MP has tweeted that he saw Deputy PM Coffey drag an MP into the government lobby.

That's a disturbing image. I imagine she had the poor fella in a headlock.

[Glyn_Wigley]

One MP has tweeted that he saw Deputy PM Coffey drag an MP into the government lobby.

Doesn’t that constitute an assault?

Lynsey Hoyle (who wasn't in the Chair for the debate and vote) has reportedly launched an investigation to establish what has happened. Even if it's not a full-blown assault there are standards of Parliamentary behaviour that have to be adhered to.

[IDM]

Surely if that incident did happen, it’s a resignation issue (at least).?

[ravenrover]

One MP has tweeted that he saw Deputy PM Coffey drag an MP into the government lobby.

She was only taking them to give them a few prescription drugs

[Glyn_Wigley]

One MP has tweeted that he saw Deputy PM Coffey drag an MP into the government lobby.

She was only taking them to give them a few prescription drugs

Suppositories, I imagine.

[roversontheup]

Backbencher Charles Walker has just been interviewed, he didn't mince his words about his fury about the damage he sees being done to the Conservative party ('a shambles and a disgrace'). I've never seen an MP attack his own colleagues like this. Well worth watching if you can find it, although I expect it to get repeated across BBC News.

I was stunned listening to this guy. Honest and sincere and damming of the govt ministers. Under normal circumstances I would enjoy listening to this but sadly the cost of all this just makes me feel sick. I'm no Tory but we have gone beyond the point of party politics.

[River Don]

Fracking is a possibility in this area, I see our Tory MP for York outer voted with the government but the neighbouring Tory for Selby abstained.

[River Don]

Labour MP Chris Bryant said Alexander Stafford, the Conservative MP for Rother Valley was “manhandled” and “bullied” in the voting lobby.

[Filo]

One thing stands out to me, those in the executive are terrified of a General Election

[BobG]

A Tory MP, linked earlier (the ex military bloke who has tried so hard to do something for ex military types) said that the Conservative Party today is solely about ambition, power and greed.

That's been obvious for quite a while of course. But maybe sensible folk to the right of centre will see the Party for the right wing libertarian fruitcakes that it is today.

BobG

[drfchound]

Let me give you an example of what is wrong with the tax system in this country. Let's say I am a small business person. I have my own company. Its turnover isn't great, but I get by.

Now. I am the sole shareholder. But I've just realised that my wife, who doesn't work, is a tremendously useful asset. If I give her one share she is then automatically entitled to a thousand quid a year completely tax free as dividend on her one share.  I'm  entitled to that too of course. Thank you George Osborne. Dividends are paid out of post tax profit so doing this will not change anything in the Company accounts. But if I make my wife a director of my little company, nominally of course,  we can withdraw £12,500 a year not only tax free to her by using her tax free allowance, but also avoid the company paying 20% corporation tax on that £12,500 a year too. So I've  just avoided £15 grand a year of tax. But that's not the end of it! My 2 or or 3 or 20 children, as soon they become 16 can all be appointed as directors too! Lovely, lovely money! Not only no income tax but no corporation tax too!

These "perks' have been introduced over the years  by Conservative governments. I view them as bribes. Bribes to encourage those most likely to vote Conservative to continue doing so. The silly sods on PAYE can pay for stuff we plutocrats don't want and don't need like the NHS and mental health care. And just to make sure we plutocrats can continue to enjoy our wealth, we'll organise periodic scares about those horrible, feckless benefit scroungers.

Middle class tax evasión is fifty times the size of benefit scrounging.....

BobG

Its things like this that infuriate me but unfortunately very few know about these loopholes.
Those that do are happy to take advantage of it.

Almost everyone who is in business will know about and exploit those circumstances.
There will be posters on this forum of all political persuasions who are evading paying some amount of taxes, unless they have a poor accountant of course.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Hello, now it's we're all the same!!

[BobG]

And your point is?

Even if people do exploit it, that doesn't make it right does it?

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

So. About this post-Johnson bounce for the Tories...

[tyke1962]

As anyone else picked up the irony that's currently getting played out in the Tory Party .

The Party that's sowed so much division in our society is currently eating itself alive by division and falling spectacularly on their own sword .

What goes around ......

[Glyn_Wigley]

After Tory MPs were told it was a three-line whip and that if they didn't vote to support the government that they'd have the whip withdrawn and their career would be over, guess who didn't vote to support the government...

Liz Truss!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Maybe she WAS hiding under the desk this time?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Perhaps she needed to have someone throw her through the door.

[BobG]

Tory supporters are noticeably quiet tonight.... When any Party falls prey to it's idealogues it's a bloody shame. It's happened to the Labour Party. It paid the price and it regained at least a degree of sanity. Now it's the turn of the Conservative Party. Question is, will the power, the wealth and the ambition of the libertarians overpower those in the Party who will undoubtedly try to bring back a semblance of normality?

BobG

[ravenrover]

Imagine owning up to have been manhandled to vote against your will by Smogg

[tyke1962]

Tory supporters are noticeably quiet tonight.... When any Party falls prey to it's idealogues it's a bloody shame. It's happened to the Labour Party. It paid the price and it regained at least a degree of sanity. Now it's the turn of the Conservative Party. Question is, will the power, the wealth and the ambition of the libertarians overpower those in the Party who will undoubtedly try to bring back a semblance of normality?

BobG

I think the Conservative Party could be done for Bob .

I reckon the right wing fruitcakes will split and go their own way and backed by Tuffton Street .

Now that's fine in many respects if you are a one nation Tory but they aren't half going to eat in to their vote .

[Glyn_Wigley]

Tory supporters are noticeably quiet tonight.... When any Party falls prey to it's idealogues it's a bloody shame. It's happened to the Labour Party. It paid the price and it regained at least a degree of sanity. Now it's the turn of the Conservative Party. Question is, will the power, the wealth and the ambition of the libertarians overpower those in the Party who will undoubtedly try to bring back a semblance of normality?

BobG

I think the Conservative Party could be done for Bob .

I reckon the right wing fruitcakes will split and go their own way and backed by Tuffton Street .

Now that's fine in many respects if you are a one nation Tory but they aren't half going to eat in to their vote .

UKIP II: Lust For Glory?

[drfchound]

Tory supporters are noticeably quiet tonight.... When any Party falls prey to it's idealogues it's a bloody shame. It's happened to the Labour Party. It paid the price and it regained at least a degree of sanity. Now it's the turn of the Conservative Party. Question is, will the power, the wealth and the ambition of the libertarians overpower those in the Party who will undoubtedly try to bring back a semblance of normality?

BobG

Who are the Tory supporters on here Bob.
Any names.

[drfchound]

Hello, now it's we're all the same!!

Well I suppose that depends on whether you have been in business or exploited the system, which is legal by the way.

[drfchound]

Tory supporters are noticeably quiet tonight.... When any Party falls prey to it's idealogues it's a bloody shame. It's happened to the Labour Party. It paid the price and it regained at least a degree of sanity. Now it's the turn of the Conservative Party. Question is, will the power, the wealth and the ambition of the libertarians overpower those in the Party who will undoubtedly try to bring back a semblance of normality?

BobG

I think the Conservative Party could be done for Bob .

I reckon the right wing fruitcakes will split and go their own way and backed by Tuffton Street .

Now that's fine in many respects if you are a one nation Tory but they aren't half going to eat in to their vote .

I agree that the Conservatives are in deep trouble Tyke.
Truss is a nightmare for them.

[drfchound]

And your point is?

Even if people do exploit it, that doesn't make it right does it?

BobG

My point is that I was responding to grayx who said he didn’t know about the opportunity to reduce one’s income tax in the way it was explained by yourself.
I thought you would have understood that.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Hello, now it's we're all the same!!

Well I suppose that depends on whether you have been in business or exploited the system, which is legal by the way.

Evading is illegal by the way. I thought you would have understood that.

There will be posters on this forum of all political persuasions who are evading paying some amount of taxes, unless they have a poor accountant of course.

[drfchound]

Hello, now it's we're all the same!!

Well I suppose that depends on whether you have been in business or exploited the system, which is legal by the way.

Evading is illegal by the way. I thought you would have understood that.

There will be posters on this forum of all political persuasions who are evading paying some amount of taxes, unless they have a poor accountant of course.

Yeah, slip of the finger or maybe predictive text, it should have said avoiding which is of course legal.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Hello, now it's we're all the same!!

Well I suppose that depends on whether you have been in business or exploited the system, which is legal by the way.

Evading is illegal by the way. I thought you would have understood that.

There will be posters on this forum of all political persuasions who are evading paying some amount of taxes, unless they have a poor accountant of course.

Yeah, slip of the finger or maybe predictive text, it should have said avoiding which is of legal.

Lots of slips of fingers and a predictive text of words with different first letters?? Yeah, right.