truss

[drfchound]

Hello, now it's we're all the same!!

Well I suppose that depends on whether you have been in business or exploited the system, which is legal by the way.

Evading is illegal by the way. I thought you would have understood that.

There will be posters on this forum of all political persuasions who are evading paying some amount of taxes, unless they have a poor accountant of course.

Yeah, slip of the finger or maybe predictive text, it should have said avoiding which is of legal.

Lots of slips of fingers and a predictive text of words with different first letters?? Yeah, right.

Think what you like Glyn.
You didn’t respond to the main point of the post although if you haven’t been in business yourself I don’t suppose my post would have applied to you so I’m not sure why you would get involved apart from the cheap shot.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Hello, now it's we're all the same!!

Well I suppose that depends on whether you have been in business or exploited the system, which is legal by the way.

Evading is illegal by the way. I thought you would have understood that.

There will be posters on this forum of all political persuasions who are evading paying some amount of taxes, unless they have a poor accountant of course.

Yeah, slip of the finger or maybe predictive text, it should have said avoiding which is of legal.

Lots of slips of fingers and a predictive text of words with different first letters?? Yeah, right.

Think what you like Glyn.
You didn’t respond to the main point of the post although if you haven’t been in business yourself I don’t suppose my post would have applied to you so I’m not sure why you would get involved apart from the cheap shot.

The business I was in was catching people evading tax and Duty. You?

And the main point of your original post was you accusing people on this forum of breaking the law. Was that a cheap shot or a completely serious one?

[drfchound]

I was in business myself for lots of years and had a good accountant.
All fully legal and above board.

[BobG]

Not necessarily either moral or wise though for a guy who moralises as much as you Hound

BobG

[tommy toes]

I was in business myself for lots of years and had a good accountant.
All fully legal and above board.

So, the obvious inference here is that your good accountant ensured that you paid as little tax as was legally possible.
Legal yes, above board hmm.

We all know that goes on, and by the very nature of business its impossible to police, other than by appealing to the social consience of businessmen and women like you.
Fat chance.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is absolutely unprecedented.

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1582795488986030080?s=20&t=xYfNHehHcP4skSlz1gHJ0A

The minister responsible for the vote on fracking DIDN'T KNOW if the Tories were going with a three line whip.

Bad Govt policy is one thing.

This isn't about policy though. This is about the most basic competence.

We have currently got no Government running the country. It's has fallen apart. This is the UK for God's sake not some benighted Banana Republic.

Think about the not inconceivable possibility that we wake up some morning in the next month to find Putin has used a nuke in Kherson. And this lot are in charge of our response.

[SydneyRover]

It's hard to keep up with events

https://twitter.com/i/status/1582851394734002177

[SydneyRover]

Let's not forget truss did a massive U-turn in her bid to get to the top of the dung heap

This is only weeks old ..... an $8bn+ reversal

''Liz Truss U-turns on plan to cut public sector pay outside London''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/liz-truss-u-turns-plan-cut-public-sector-pay-outside-london-tory-leadership

[SydneyRover]

The tories are now reduced to scraping the bottom of the deepest stinking barrel and have come up with shapps.

shapps a liar and spiv using his money and position to quell dissent is now home secretary.

''Grant Shapps: just how gullible does he think voters are?''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/16/grant-shapps-gullible-voters-michael-green-second-job


Nearly forgot about this gem ............. what can you say, please give it up for Michael Crick who does a superb job of cornering the greasy pig from an era that will go down in tory history as maybe the most memorable.

''Michael Crick grills Grant Shapps over software business''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wulxnR-3CWY



For any remaining doubters, the evidence and the tape ..... give it up for grant shapps, he's finally forced to admit the truth.

''Grant Shapps admits he had second job as 'millionaire web marketer' while MP''


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

[drfchound]

I was in business myself for lots of years and had a good accountant.
All fully legal and above board.

So, the obvious inference here is that your good accountant ensured that you paid as little tax as was legally possible.
Legal yes, above board hmm.

We all know that goes on, and by the very nature of business its impossible to police, other than by appealing to the social consience of businessmen and women like you.
Fat chance.

Tommy, first of all look back through the thread.
My original post about this was an explanation for grayx who said he didn’t know about the tax saving thing that had been mentioned.
Secondly, you are being very naive yourself if you think it doesn’t happen even by owners of small businesses.
Even Labour supporting business owners will do it, including people on here.
Not many people will apologise to the nation for keeping their taxes down.
It is policed by HMRC and if people do evade (Glyn, yes evade) then they should pay the consequences.

[tommy toes]

Where did I say I think it didn't happen in small businesses?
Of course it does.
I had a business myself in the 80's.
Did all the accounts and VAT myself and paid all the tax I was liable for without cutting corners.
It was much, much easier that way.

[BobG]

Defending the indefensible Hound has always been a thankless task.... It's usually only ever attempted by those suffering from myopia.

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

I employ an accountant to do our books. There's only one tax relief we ever claim, which is R&D tax credit for costs incurred in developing unique new processes and equipment. It is one of the key ways that companies are incentivised to invest in things that can boost productivity.

I personally pay PAYE. I have never used an accountant to claim back any tax, although I'm sure they could save me a fortune, I don't need it.

I'm very interested in the concept that I floated earlier about using pension contributions to pay off a mortgage, but morally it is absolutely wrong. It is basically taking money from state coffers and splitting it between yourself and the bank that your mortgage is with (because overall you pay far more interest to them as you're not paying down the capital till the end.)

I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I did that while these Kitsons in charge are cutting the real value of benefits to people working flat out on Minimum Wage.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is absolutely unprecedented.

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1582795488986030080?s=20&t=xYfNHehHcP4skSlz1gHJ0A

The minister responsible for the vote on fracking DIDN'T KNOW if the Tories were going with a three line whip.

Bad Govt policy is one thing.

This isn't about policy though. This is about the most basic competence.

We have currently got no Government running the country. It's has fallen apart. This is the UK for God's sake not some benighted Banana Republic.

Think about the not inconceivable possibility that we wake up some morning in the next month to find Putin has used a nuke in Kherson. And this lot are in charge of our response.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1582895159775137794

So by 1:30am, the line was that it had ALWAYS been a confidence vote and all the MPs knew that.

How does that square with that video of a Tory MP asking the energy minister if it was a 3 line whip, and him not knowing.

R4 this morning. Senior journalist saying that foreign business leaders and ambassadors were saying asking do we have a Government?

[BobG]

Billy, amongst a number of people I correspond with, the concept of Britain being the world's first banana democracy has been around for at least 3 years now.  Current events are rather proving the point....

BobG

[mugnapper]

Truss making a statement at 1.30 today.
2 hours ago Downing St said there'd be no statement today.
It looks like she's on her way out.
Well it was fun while it lasted.

[tommy toes]

Resign in a minute
She's gunna resign in a minute
Resign in a mi iiinite
Etc

[Hounslowrover]

Gone

[mugnapper]

Gone. Now a Tory leadership contest. That'll be nasty for sure.

[tommy toes]

Get Copps in to sort it out. 3 days it took him to get Danny in

[normal rules]

45 days. Bust a gut to get to the top spot. For what?
This is no kind of legacy.
She is not a fighter. She is a quitter.
She is not a leader.
Utterly pathetic.

[Ldr]

Gone. Now a Tory leadership contest. That'll be nasty for sure.

Aren’t they just taking turns at this stage?

[Not Now Kato]

The lettuce won 

[Colemans Left Hook]

? have they removed that gold wallpaper

[Campsall rover]

Gone. Resigned.

[normal rules]

Who on earth would now want to step forward and take charge of this shit show?
The most poisonous of chalices.

[River Don]

She's a fighter...

She's no quitter...

Another U turn then.

[drfchound]

Defending the indefensible Hound has always been a thankless task.... It's usually only ever attempted by those suffering from myopia.

BobG

Bob, I am not defending anything.
I was originally explaining something to another poster before the barmy army decided to have a go at me and took things to another level.
I’m not sure why your parting shot at people has to be a put down, accusing people of lacking intellectual insight is often your mantra.

[River Don]

She's been in power less time than she campaigned for the job.

[drfchound]

Where did I say I think it didn't happen in small businesses?
Of course it does.
I had a business myself in the 80's.
Did all the accounts and VAT myself and paid all the tax I was liable for without cutting corners.
It was much, much easier that way.

I paid all the taxes I was due to pay too Tommy, in fact I still do.