truss

[wilts rover]

One thing I’m certain of is that Johnson won’t run unless he is certain of winning.
A true Narcissist wouldn’t risk being a loser. (Remember, that he ‘won’ his vote of No Confidence, even though it led to his resignation).

I think it will be decided this weekend, if he gets over the 100 MP threshold to get to the ballot on Monday, then I think it becomes a genuine prospect. They claim he has the backing of 50 already.

.... and he never resigned either did he ?

Yes he did. He went to Balmoral and offered his resignation to the Queen in person.

[IDM]

So how does this work then ?

Truss and the incoming  new leader didn't need a mandate from the people because apparently we vote for a party not a PM .

Johnson pops his head back up and now according to some Tories he's the only one with the mandate .

I'll open up on the current situation , it's making me angry , proper angry and it isn't good for my mental health .

I keep saying to myself don't let it get to you but it's hard .

I said to our lass last night if we weren't the ages we are and didn't  have so much invested in our grandkids and daughter I'd be out of here and I'm someone whose always loved this country and never wanted to leave it .

Tyke, people have been told numerous times on this forum that people vote for the Party and not the leader of the Party.

That’s not quite right.

Many people vote for a party because they want its leader to be pm.  Technically they vote for the local candidate in the respective party.  Of course, plenty of folks do vote for the parties regardless of the personalities.

But many many people, especially in 2019, would have voted Tory because of Johnson or anti-Corbyn.

[drfchound]

So how does this work then ?

Truss and the incoming  new leader didn't need a mandate from the people because apparently we vote for a party not a PM .

Johnson pops his head back up and now according to some Tories he's the only one with the mandate .

I'll open up on the current situation , it's making me angry , proper angry and it isn't good for my mental health .

I keep saying to myself don't let it get to you but it's hard .

I said to our lass last night if we weren't the ages we are and didn't  have so much invested in our grandkids and daughter I'd be out of here and I'm someone whose always loved this country and never wanted to leave it .

Tyke, people have been told numerous times on this forum that people vote for the Party and not the leader of the Party.

That’s not quite right.

Many people vote for a party because they want its leader to be pm.  Technically they vote for the local candidate in the respective party.  Of course, plenty of folks do vote for the parties regardless of the personalities.

But many many people, especially in 2019, would have voted Tory because of Johnson or anti-Corbyn.

Oh I agree with all of that IDM but I have seen posts on here over the years, some addressed to me, that said what I said earlier, that people vote for the Party and not the leader.

[wilts rover]

You'd have to ask them, but from what I gather most of them would gladly contribute to the genuinely needy, but not those who jump on the benefits bandwagon.

Why do they advocate evading paying their taxes then? Or do they believe people other than them should contribute to the genuinely needy?

[drfchound]

You'd have to ask them, but from what I gather most of them would gladly contribute to the genuinely needy, but not those who jump on the benefits bandwagon.

Why do they advocate evading paying their taxes then? Or do they believe people other than them should contribute to the genuinely needy?

Evading or avoiding wilts.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So how does this work then ?

Truss and the incoming  new leader didn't need a mandate from the people because apparently we vote for a party not a PM .

Johnson pops his head back up and now according to some Tories he's the only one with the mandate .

I'll open up on the current situation , it's making me angry , proper angry and it isn't good for my mental health .

I keep saying to myself don't let it get to you but it's hard .

I said to our lass last night if we weren't the ages we are and didn't  have so much invested in our grandkids and daughter I'd be out of here and I'm someone whose always loved this country and never wanted to leave it .

Tyke, people have been told numerous times on this forum that people vote for the Party and not the leader of the Party.

That’s not quite right.

Many people vote for a party because they want its leader to be pm.  Technically they vote for the local candidate in the respective party.  Of course, plenty of folks do vote for the parties regardless of the personalities.

But many many people, especially in 2019, would have voted Tory because of Johnson or anti-Corbyn.

Oh I agree with all of that IDM but I have seen posts on here over the years, some addressed to me, that said what I said earlier, that people vote for the Party and not the leader.

Constitutionally they vote for neither. They vote for the candidate.

What they think they're voting for is up to them, but it doesn't make it true.

[drfchound]

So how does this work then ?

Truss and the incoming  new leader didn't need a mandate from the people because apparently we vote for a party not a PM .

Johnson pops his head back up and now according to some Tories he's the only one with the mandate .

I'll open up on the current situation , it's making me angry , proper angry and it isn't good for my mental health .

I keep saying to myself don't let it get to you but it's hard .

I said to our lass last night if we weren't the ages we are and didn't  have so much invested in our grandkids and daughter I'd be out of here and I'm someone whose always loved this country and never wanted to leave it .

Tyke, people have been told numerous times on this forum that people vote for the Party and not the leader of the Party.

That’s not quite right.

Many people vote for a party because they want its leader to be pm.  Technically they vote for the local candidate in the respective party.  Of course, plenty of folks do vote for the parties regardless of the personalities.

But many many people, especially in 2019, would have voted Tory because of Johnson or anti-Corbyn.

Oh I agree with all of that IDM but I have seen posts on here over the years, some addressed to me, that said what I said earlier, that people vote for the Party and not the leader.

Constitutionally they vote for neither. They vote for the candidate.

What they think they're voting for is up to them, but it doesn't make it true.

And once again, I agree.

[belton rover]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

[River Don]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

Belton don't take it to heart too much.its not our fault. We could not know really.

Energy is running out. We are screwed.

[redwine]

I see Boriswashing has already started by his supporters.

Never forgive, never forget.

[Bentley Bullet]

You'd have to ask them, but from what I gather most of them would gladly contribute to the genuinely needy, but not those who jump on the benefits bandwagon.

Why do they advocate evading paying their taxes then? Or do they believe people other than them should contribute to the genuinely needy?

I don't believe they advocate evading paying taxes any more than any other member of the public.

[SydneyRover]

Maybe a better way to put it wilts is 'tories are happy to pay less tax knowing that many millions will suffer the consequences'

[tyke1962]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

It's hanging by a thread I'll give you that Belton but it's recoverable given time .

Broken to me would be 1945 and bankrupt with a people worn out through 6 years of warfare and the country literally in ruins .

Courage , vision and an ability to put it behind us and make people's lives better happened .

We need to revisit how that was achieved in 1945 and have that kind of vision and courage again .

Bottom up economics needs to happen or we are broken .

[BobG]

The power if money is too entrenched now. You only have to read a lot of the comments in here to see how succesful the right wing propaganda continues to be.

As plenty of folk repeat, the Conservatives may not be in government from time to time, but they are always in power. Solution ? A social revolution at the very least. Trouble is, revolutions tend to go out of control. It would be easy to imagine a thirst for revenge for example. You're  right. This country needs serious leadership. But from whence is it comíng???

BobG

[belton rover]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

It's hanging by a thread I'll give you that Belton but it's recoverable given time .

Broken to me would be 1945 and bankrupt with a people worn out through 6 years of warfare and the country literally in ruins .

Courage , vision and an ability to put it behind us and make people's lives better happened .

We need to revisit how that was achieved in 1945 and have that kind of vision and courage again .

Bottom up economics needs to happen or we are broken .

The problem is, Tyke, we are not the same people from post ‘45.
We are f**ked because we are incapable of just getting on with it.
It always has to be someone else’s fault.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

Belton don't take it to heart too much.its not our fault. We could not know really.

Energy is running out. We are screwed.

I couldn't disagree more RD.

The key decision was in 2010 when we took the Austerity path. We chose a poorer future because of a story spun by a couple of upper class spivs.

The expert economists told us what would happen. A decade of lost growth.

We ignored them.

We could have invested massively in renewables over the past decade. We chose not to. The booming Labour investment in renewables was the first thing cut by Osborne.

Belton will, as ever, do his Bothsides thing, but only one side is to blame for this.

[tyke1962]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

It's hanging by a thread I'll give you that Belton but it's recoverable given time .

Broken to me would be 1945 and bankrupt with a people worn out through 6 years of warfare and the country literally in ruins .

Courage , vision and an ability to put it behind us and make people's lives better happened .

We need to revisit how that was achieved in 1945 and have that kind of vision and courage again .

Bottom up economics needs to happen or we are broken .

The problem is, Tyke, we are not the same people from post ‘45.
We are f**ked because we are incapable of just getting on with it.
It always has to be someone else’s fault.

That's the thing though Belton , they are vastly running out of people to blame .

I watch different content , I don't limit myself to things that I agree with .

It's fascinating what's going on with GB News , you could be forgiven for thinking it's parody .

The new enemy is Globalists and The Establishment , I kid you not .

Farage is making a comeback and taking them on , you couldn't make it up .

The crime is removing Truss and reversing the mini budget , you know the same mini budget that tanked the economy .

This is pretty desperate stuff to say the least .

[BillyStubbsTears]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

It's hanging by a thread I'll give you that Belton but it's recoverable given time .

Broken to me would be 1945 and bankrupt with a people worn out through 6 years of warfare and the country literally in ruins .

Courage , vision and an ability to put it behind us and make people's lives better happened .

We need to revisit how that was achieved in 1945 and have that kind of vision and courage again .

Bottom up economics needs to happen or we are broken .

The problem is, Tyke, we are not the same people from post ‘45.
We are f**ked because we are incapable of just getting on with it.
It always has to be someone else’s fault.

That's the thing though Belton , they are vastly running out of people to blame .

I watch different content , I don't limit myself to things that I agree with .

It's fascinating what's going on with GB News , you could be forgiven for thinking it's parody .

The new enemy is Globalists and The Establishment , I kid you not .

Farage is making a comeback and taking them on , you couldn't make it up .

The crime is removing Truss and reversing the mini budget , you know the same mini budget that tanked the economy .

This is pretty desperate stuff to say the least .

Last night, Farage, Tice, Wooton and that little Kitson Walton were all blaming a Globalist Remainer coup for dethroning Liz Truss.

And there was me thinking she'd just resigned because she was the single most useless waste of skin ever to get within shouting distance of No 10.

[BobG]

That's why we need Sunak to win. Hopefully, he could so piss off the lunatic fringe and their Tufton Street allies that the Conservative Party splits. The one nation Tories too will be seriously thinking about their political future if Sunak doesn't win.

BobG

[tyke1962]

That's why we need Sunak to win. Hopefully, he could so piss off the lunatic fringe and their Tufton Street allies that the Conservative Party splits. The one nation Tories too will be seriously thinking about their political future if Sunak doesn't win.

BobG

I've spoken to an old colleague who is a Tory voter tonight .

I told him Starmer isn't your biggest threat it's Farage , Tufton Street and GB News .

He laughed .

The right wing fruitcakes have the capability of destroying the Conservative Party for good I told him .

[tyke1962]

You'll like this .

The Times are reporting that 20k elderly Tory members will be excluded from voting if two leadership candidates emerge .

They don't have any email addresses apparently .

Now they can't even manage their own leadership election which is strange seen as they've had a few of late .

[BillyStubbsTears]

And yet the Tortoise group managed to register with the Tory party :

Their cat
Two made up people with overseas addresses.

A fictitious person to whom they gave the name Margaret Hilda Roberts.

Seems like, as long as you pay your 25 quid, the Tories are that bothered if you're British, human or even the unmarried ghost of their idol.

You'll still get a vote on who the next PM will be.

I'm sure the FSB aren't very interested in this...

[SydneyRover]

You'd have to ask them, but from what I gather most of them would gladly contribute to the genuinely needy, but not those who jump on the benefits bandwagon.

Maybe you should call johnson and ask wtf he's doing atm?

[River Don]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

Belton don't take it to heart too much.its not our fault. We could not know really.

Energy is running out. We are screwed.

I couldn't disagree more RD.

The key decision was in 2010 when we took the Austerity path. We chose a poorer future because of a story spun by a couple of upper class spivs.

The expert economists told us what would happen. A decade of lost growth.

We ignored them.

We could have invested massively in renewables over the past decade. We chose not to. The booming Labour investment in renewables was the first thing cut by Osborne.

Belton will, as ever, do his Bothsides thing, but only one side is to blame for this.

The problem with renewables remains energy storage... That remains unaffordable.

[BobG]

GCHQ pointed out the weaknesses in the Conservative online voting systems last time. That's one of the reasons they ended up with a long winded postal voting system. I've seen no comments about it this time, but a few weeks ain't very long to validate the membership and to update what was. and sounds like still is, a shit system. I think I'll pay a few hundred quid. Sunak here I come!!!

BobG

[River Don]

GCHQ pointed out the weaknesses in the Conservative online voting systems last time. That's one of the reasons they ended up with a long winded postal voting system. I've seen no comments about it this time, but a few weeks ain't very long to validate the membership and to update what was. and sounds like still is, a shit system. I think I'll pay a few hundred quid. Sunak here I come!!!

BobG

The Tory membership have no democratic legitimacy anyway.

[BobG]

There is a hydro system in North Wales where the water tumbles down at times of high demand to provide instant electricity and tumbles down at other times to provide power to lift the water back up again. When enough water is back up top, it's shut down for a bit.  Obviously would need capital and the right locations, but there must be more than simply one such place in the whole of the UK surely?!

BobG

[River Don]

There is a hydro system in North Wales where the water tumbles down at times of high demand to provide instant electricity and tumbles down at other times to provide power to lift the water back up again. When enough water is back up top, it's shut down for a bit.  Obviously would need capital and the right locations, but there must be more than simply one such place in the whole of the UK surely?!

BobG

Any hydro we can do is great but unfortunately the UK is not blessed with high enough mountains to make hydro a significant power source.

[ChrisBx]

Johnson arrives back in the UK this morning. I suspect we'll know whether he is able to hit the 100 nominations mark by the end of the day.

It is increasingly looking like this could be a coronation for Sunak, however.

[mugnapper]

The man of the people flies back economy class, accompanied by lots of media.
How many of us think he flew out to Dominica economy class when there were no press there?