The Labour Files

[tyke1962]

Isn't it very odd that Labour supporters tell us that Keith isn't a liar whilst hoping he is one .

The election manifesto will reveal all .

[drfchound]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

[ravenrover]

Labour under JC had no chance of winning an Election

[Bentley Bullet]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

There's never been a truer time to confirm that many Labour supporters would vote for any old witless, smarmy, pretentious ball-sack as long as they're sporting a Red rose.

[SydneyRover]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

There's never been a truer time to confirm that many Labour supporters would vote for any old witless, smarmy, pretentious ball-sack as long they were sporting a Red rose.

whereas the last 13/14 years show what happens when you allow the tories in aye bb?

[Bentley Bullet]

And if you think replacing them with any old Red Rose-wearing, witless, smarmy, pretentious ball-sack is the answer then you are part of the problem.

[SydneyRover]

For all his faults and there were quite a few, Corbyn would have more humanity in his little finger that all those the crawled to the top of the greasy pole on the tory side together, aye?

[Bentley Bullet]

And if you think replacing them with any old Red Rose-wearing, witless, smarmy, pretentious ball-sack is the answer then you are part of the problem.

[SydneyRover]

wrong side of the bed again bb?

[Bentley Bullet]

wrong side of the bed again bb?

Would you have answered the question had I got out the other side?

[SydneyRover]

my, we are grumpy today aren't we

[i_ateallthepies]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

And if you actually mean that, Hound then that only shows a staggering lack of political awareness or perhaps simply a total lack of moral values.  But of course you're just having one of your usual snide digs at certain individuals aren't you...  people who whilst supporting Corbin were at the same time principled enough to voice their concerns with some aspects of his leadership.  They were willing to support a party led by him because it was the only remaining way of ridding the country of the catastrophe of Tory control, but they you know that don't you.  Still never one to pass up the opportunity to get in one of your snide digs.

[tyke1962]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

And if you actually mean that, Hound then that only shows a staggering lack of political awareness or perhaps simply a total lack of moral values.  But of course you're just having one of your usual snide digs at certain individuals aren't you...  people who whilst supporting Corbin were at the same time principled enough to voice their concerns with some aspects of his leadership.  They were willing to support a party led by him because it was the only remaining way of ridding the country of the catastrophe of Tory control, but they you know that don't you.  Still never one to pass up the opportunity to get in one of your snide digs.

 

It must have been very disconcerting then to find out whilst you were out there doing your bit for the Labour Party , Mandelson and his minnions of class traitors were fecking you over too as well as Corbyn  .

[BillyStubbsTears]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

And if you actually mean that, Hound then that only shows a staggering lack of political awareness or perhaps simply a total lack of moral values.  But of course you're just having one of your usual snide digs at certain individuals aren't you...  people who whilst supporting Corbin were at the same time principled enough to voice their concerns with some aspects of his leadership.  They were willing to support a party led by him because it was the only remaining way of ridding the country of the catastrophe of Tory control, but they you know that don't you.  Still never one to pass up the opportunity to get in one of your snide digs.

Hound is so obsessed in his need to show that the other side are hypocrites that he doesn't even bother processing what he reads.

Personally, I've said for years that Corbyn's team had broadly the correct economic policies, as did Milliband and Brown at the previous elections. There's no semblance of a contradiction in supporting all them.

I've also said for years that I strongly disliked Corbyn's foreign policy, but also that Johnson's was worse. In that sense, as I've said for years, it was the worst choice for PM at any election in my lifetime. But that was the choice we had. The world isn't perfect and you often have to choose the least bad option, rather than the ideal one.

Not that I expect any of that to change Hound's conviction that I'm a devious hypocrite.

[Iberian Red]

And if you think replacing them with any old Red Rose-wearing, witless, smarmy, pretentious ball-sack is the answer then you are part of the problem.

Brilliant,such a way with words.
Talking of ball sacks,certain posters on here were like the Bullingdon Pig's head,gagging on and swallowing the swelling the muck from all those old Etonians.

[Bentley Bullet]

You have a way with words yourself, especially when you seem to get carried away with graphic detail the more excited you get. 

[Iberian Red]

Not really Bents. You could probably benefit from counselling for your anger issues.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I think this vid says everything. Even if you just watch the first few mins you get the point.

Labour are not a choice any more. This is the worst point in British politics in over 100 years. In terms of things I've said in other threads concerning democracy, this illustrates that with brass knobs on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6rTI8w-vI8

[Bristol Red Rover]

And if you think replacing them with any old Red Rose-wearing, witless, smarmy, pretentious ball-sack is the answer then you are part of the problem.

I have to agree with you in the current sitiation especially with a tory light Labour Party, but there are a great many Red Rose wearers who have a heart and a brain and don't subserviantly grease their anus for the power elite like almost all tory MPs, and tory supporters, do.

[drfchound]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

And if you actually mean that, Hound then that only shows a staggering lack of political awareness or perhaps simply a total lack of moral values.  But of course you're just having one of your usual snide digs at certain individuals aren't you...  people who whilst supporting Corbin were at the same time principled enough to voice their concerns with some aspects of his leadership.  They were willing to support a party led by him because it was the only remaining way of ridding the country of the catastrophe of Tory control, but they you know that don't you.  Still never one to pass up the opportunity to get in one of your snide digs.

Pies, it isn’t a sly dig all.  It is a fact that had Labour won one the GEs that he was leader then he would have been PM wouldn’t he.
There was more than one poster who was singing JCs praises.
Were they going along with the train of thought that soon after winning they would have been campaigning for a new leader because if that hadn’t happened  we would have been stuck with him.
Of course some have voiced concerns about him but in the main those concerns have been since his last defeat, probably with the good old benefit of hindsight.
Some of those same posters are having doubts about Starmer and some of his lack of policy decisions and many changes of mind.
If Labour don’t win again, and I very much think that they will, I suppose we will read about how he was the wrong man.

Raven, you say that Labour could never have won with JC in charge but they did come every close didn’t they.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Absolutely you can't change your thoughts just because of the party they're coming from.  If you're a fan of Jeremy Corbyns labour and policies I don't see how you can be a fan of Starmers labour, they're very very different.

Labour will attract millions who voted Tory with these policies and get power but they'll have to hold steady, if they then move from those policies they'll get slaughtered the next time round and this is a real chance for them to get power for 15 years +.

There must be shed loads you don't see pud, the suffering and starvation of the poor under tory Austerity, yet you continued to vote for them, go lecture someone else.

It's much easier to see what's happening in this country and what people in this country think when you're actually here.  We'd have much more positive politics if it wasn't as you are so focussed on what people call "the other side".

The snip on Rachel Reeves is the potential issue Labour could have in future.  They now likely have to actually carry out all of the things they've criticised the government for and do things differently.  We'll see what they're made of and I hope they achieve what they say they're going to because economic growth, wage rises above inflation, sensible housing market, low NHS waiting lists and lower/controlled immigration are all things we want aren't they?  Sounds easy right?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Labour under JC had no chance of winning an Election

Because almost the whole media was against him, because the corporate elites felt threatened - less yachts for them, And because the ludicrous antisemitism slurs were wheeled out by the right wingers in the Labour Party, as well as the media etc. Despite this, he so very nearly won.

This is what most people here celebrate as "democracy".

[tyke1962]

I think this vid says everything. Even if you just watch the first few mins you get the point.

Labour are not a choice any more. This is the worst point in British politics in over 100 years. In terms of things I've said in other threads concerning democracy, this illustrates that with brass knobs on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6rTI8w-vI8

That just about sums up the Labour Party BRR in that clip .

Anyone who promotes trickle down economics as a way to grow the economy is lying to us .

Anyone who promotes Austerity as a method of social cohesion is lying to us .

It's as ludicrous as Trussenomics for 95% of the population .

If the Labour Party suck on Thatcher's neoliberal nipple and expect a different outcome then what can anyone say about this collection of Clown Car occupants .

If anyone says well wait for them to be in government and it will be different then how does that configure with an Election Manifesto .

An Election Manifesto is your mandate to govern and carry out the policies you proposed in that Manifesto .

So if taxes aren't increased for the well off and extremely well off and Labour says it's to stimulate growth then that's trickle down economics and almost every economist worth his salt will tell you it just doesn't work .

I'm sure nobody needs reminding on the merits of Austerity , try getting a doctor's appointment for one .

Why Labour don't take the lower paid out of taxation altogether is beyond me .

The lower paid will spend their extra money and boost the economy and some of that money then returns to the government in the taxes they spend the money on .

How's about Labour give that one a go for at least the first five years IF they win the election that is .

[Sprotyrover]

Not really Bents. You could probably benefit from counselling for your anger issues.

Thats rich coming from you!

[Iberian Red]

Not really Bents. You could probably benefit from counselling for your anger issues.

Thats rich coming from you!

Another one.
How many stalkers do I need?
Two pairs of undies when I go to bed tonight.
Just to be on the safe side.

[ravenrover]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

And if you actually mean that, Hound then that only shows a staggering lack of political awareness or perhaps simply a total lack of moral values.  But of course you're just having one of your usual snide digs at certain individuals aren't you...  people who whilst supporting Corbin were at the same time principled enough to voice their concerns with some aspects of his leadership.  They were willing to support a party led by him because it was the only remaining way of ridding the country of the catastrophe of Tory control, but they you know that don't you.  Still never one to pass up the opportunity to get in one of your snide digs.

Pies, it isn’t a sly dig all.  It is a fact that had Labour won one the GEs that he was leader then he would have been PM wouldn’t he.
There was more than one poster who was singing JCs praises.
Were they going along with the train of thought that soon after winning they would have been campaigning for a new leader because if that hadn’t happened  we would have been stuck with him.
Of course some have voiced concerns about him but in the main those concerns have been since his last defeat, probably with the good old benefit of hindsight.
Some of those same posters are having doubts about Starmer and some of his lack of policy decisions and many changes of mind.
If Labour don’t win again, and I very much think that they will, I suppose we will read about how he was the wrong man.

Raven, you say that Labour could never have won with JC in charge but they did come every close didn’t they.

They didn't win though did they?

[albie]

The background context for the latest Reeves car crash interview (linked above) is the Labour Party accepting embedded support from private sector interests in the internal operations of the party;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/keir-starmer-grant-thornton-weber-shandwick-corporate-lobbying/

This takes political lobbying on to a new level, where the usual methods of influencing policy are locked in by dependency upon corporate logistical support.

So why would these companies be providing these services if not to have early sight of proposals, and the chance to amend them before they even reach a wider audience?

[drfchound]

I find it more strange that people slam Corbyn a few short years after voting for a Labour Party that he was leader of and would have become PM had they won.

And if you actually mean that, Hound then that only shows a staggering lack of political awareness or perhaps simply a total lack of moral values.  But of course you're just having one of your usual snide digs at certain individuals aren't you...  people who whilst supporting Corbin were at the same time principled enough to voice their concerns with some aspects of his leadership.  They were willing to support a party led by him because it was the only remaining way of ridding the country of the catastrophe of Tory control, but they you know that don't you.  Still never one to pass up the opportunity to get in one of your snide digs.

Pies, it isn’t a sly dig all.  It is a fact that had Labour won one the GEs that he was leader then he would have been PM wouldn’t he.
There was more than one poster who was singing JCs praises.
Were they going along with the train of thought that soon after winning they would have been campaigning for a new leader because if that hadn’t happened  we would have been stuck with him.
Of course some have voiced concerns about him but in the main those concerns have been since his last defeat, probably with the good old benefit of hindsight.
Some of those same posters are having doubts about Starmer and some of his lack of policy decisions and many changes of mind.
If Labour don’t win again, and I very much think that they will, I suppose we will read about how he was the wrong man.

Raven, you say that Labour could never have won with JC in charge but they did come every close didn’t they.

They didn't win though did they?

Ha, well …. No. Fair enough.
Close call though.

[SydneyRover]

Sorry Syd, you think it is irrelevant that Reeves is promising austerity from a Labour government?

Blimey, that takes the biscuit!

You'll do and say anything Albie except guarantee that labour will win, of course if they don't all your dreams of getting everything you want from labour with the right leader turn to shit, do they not? Some 4 years ago I went to a party that turned into a wake because labor here lost the unlosable election.

[SydneyRover]

Absolutely you can't change your thoughts just because of the party they're coming from.  If you're a fan of Jeremy Corbyns labour and policies I don't see how you can be a fan of Starmers labour, they're very very different.

Labour will attract millions who voted Tory with these policies and get power but they'll have to hold steady, if they then move from those policies they'll get slaughtered the next time round and this is a real chance for them to get power for 15 years +.

There must be shed loads you don't see pud, the suffering and starvation of the poor under tory Austerity, yet you continued to vote for them, go lecture someone else.

It's much easier to see what's happening in this country and what people in this country think when you're actually here.  We'd have much more positive politics if it wasn't as you are so focussed on what people call "the other side".

The snip on Rachel Reeves is the potential issue Labour could have in future.  They now likely have to actually carry out all of the things they've criticised the government for and do things differently.  We'll see what they're made of and I hope they achieve what they say they're going to because economic growth, wage rises above inflation, sensible housing market, low NHS waiting lists and lower/controlled immigration are all things we want aren't they?  Sounds easy right?

So I need to be in the country to see that the tories never ever keep their grand promises and screw over working people in favour of their own position. I need to be in the country to see them try to paint over Austerity that is now still brining councils to their knees, that would promote people such as the spivs, May, Johnson, Truss and now Risky giving up on all his promises? Give over pud, you have never wavered in your loyalty to them never for a second, and you try tell me whom I should back in!

Tell me again about brexit please.