Strange how all the Tory haters have failed to raise this

[Bentley Bullet]

BB

Even senior Tories queued up to tell Johnson how disgusted they were when he came out with that slur.

The only people who now use it are far right bottom feeding trolls. I used to think you were better than this, but recently it fits a trend.

Give over. Johnson's remark was as valid a point as Starmer's was when he suggested Johnson was responsible for all of Downing Street's misdemeanors because he was in charge, irrespective of his personal involvement.

I was also 'disgusted' by Johnson's remark because he had sunk to Starmer's level.

[Colin C No.3]

In which case your ‘so called ‘disgust’ is for the wrong reasons in so many ways I wouldn’t know where to start pointing them out.

Suffice to say that anyone who now knows the history of Saville’s crimes & with a modicum of intelligence & integrity would never use his name in any form of debate (let alone at the dispatch box) in order to attempt to score ANY sort of point.

For Johnson to have done so in PMQ’s televised across the nation, when there are people still suffering mentally from Saville’s depravity is beyond contempt.

[mugnapper]

Anyone interested in how Savile got away with it should get the book 'In Plain Sight' by Dan Davies. You can get it on ebay for £3 ish.
It's a compelling read that I binged in 2 sittings.

[Bentley Bullet]

In which case your ‘so called ‘disgust’ is for the wrong reasons in so many ways I wouldn’t know where to start pointing them out.

Suffice to say that anyone who now knows the history of Saville’s crimes & with a modicum of intelligence & integrity would never use his name in any form of debate (let alone at the dispatch box) in order to attempt to score ANY sort of point.

For Johnson to have done so in PMQ’s televised across the nation, when there are people still suffering mentally from Saville’s depravity is beyond contempt.

Yes, Savile's crimes were so depraved that no f**ker brought him to justice.

Let's just cover it up, if only for political reasons, eh?

[mugnapper]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975.amp

[Bentley Bullet]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975.amp

Who said Starmer WAS involved?

[glosterred]

Saw this on Twitter, is it true?

Amongst the Tory debacle, 4 Labour MPs are suspended or expelled in 4 weeks: Matheson for being a sexual predator, Christina Rees for bullying, Rupa Huq for racism and Nick Brown for a complaint that is undisclosed.
A complete cess pit

[IDM]

All those behaviours are inexcusable - but therein lies the point, they haven’t been excused have they?

[BobG]

UnLike the sexual predator promoted by the Greasy Piglet despite being warned about the bloke.

BobG

[glosterred]

All those behaviours are inexcusable - but therein lies the point, they haven’t been excused have they?

What it does say is that both parties are as bad as each other and it is not just the antics of one party.

[BillyStubbsTears]

All those behaviours are inexcusable - but therein lies the point, they haven’t been excused have they?

What it does say is that both parties are as bad as each other and it is not just the antics of one party.

What it says is that all parties, like all sections of society, have sociopaths in them.

What matters regarding the parties is how they deal with them when the evidence emerges.

[wilts rover]

All those behaviours are inexcusable - but therein lies the point, they haven’t been excused have they?

What it does say is that both parties are as bad as each other and it is not just the antics of one party.

As has just been pointed out they are not. Since 2019 Labour have suspended or expelled bullies and sex pests - Johnson promoted them & then lied about it.

[glosterred]

All those behaviours are inexcusable - but therein lies the point, they haven’t been excused have they?

What it does say is that both parties are as bad as each other and it is not just the antics of one party.

As has just been pointed out they are not. Since 2019 Labour have suspended or expelled bullies and sex pests - Johnson promoted them & then lied about it.

Irrespective of how you deal with them, both parties have the sex pests, the bullies, the racist amongst their members it is not limited to just one party.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glos.

Every section of society has them.

The police, the army, schools, companies football teams.

 What is your point?

[glosterred]

Glos.

Every section of society has them.

The police, the army, schools, companies football teams.

 What is your point?

My point is that this is not limited to just one party at Westminster, like society it is everywhere and not limited to just one party.

[i_ateallthepies]

Glos.

Every section of society has them.

The police, the army, schools, companies football teams.

 What is your point?

My point is that this is not limited to just one party at Westminster, like society it is everywhere and not limited to just one party.

And you suppose that actually needs pointing out?  The important point as has already been made is the way they are dealt with when they come to light.  But of course, using that as a measure shows Johnson to be the unprincipled liar that everyone knows him to be, and you can't bear that.

[glosterred]

If people on this forum do not condemn those that I highlighted earlier the same as they are condemning the Tory pest then they don’t really care about what’s going on as much as they do about scoring party political points. That’s my point and opinion.

And another opinion I don’t give a toss about Johnson I think he is an unprincipled liar and wouldn’t trust him to do what’s best for this country before doing what’s best for him.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glos.

What matters is how they are dealt with.

I've worked for a sociopathic bully who wasn't dealt with. It was horrific. It caused a suicide and several nervous breakdowns.

I've had a person work for me who turned out to be a bully. I had no way of knowing that when I took him on, but I sacked him when the evidence emerged.

You can't necessarily filter these people out before they start acting like that. But if you don't when they do, you are as much to blame as they are.

Johnson never did.

Truss did in the case of the person against whom accusations came to light early in her leadership and fair play to her for that. I didn't comment on that because it wasn't necessary.

I didn't comment on the case in the OP here because it wasn't necessary. It came to light and was dealt with immediately. In fact it was dealt with before I'd even heard about it.

Compare and contrast with how Johnson ignored the Chris Pincher case.

[IDM]

If people on this forum do not condemn those that I highlighted earlier the same as they are condemning the Tory pest then they don’t really care about what’s going on as much as they do about scoring party political points. That’s my point and opinion.

And another opinion I don’t give a toss about Johnson I think he is an unprincipled liar and wouldn’t trust him to do what’s best for this country before doing what’s best for him.

I am not saying this happens very time, but Labour seem to deal with their miscreants appropriately but the Tories don’t.

[BillyStubbsTears]

In general I'd  say the Tories have dealt with these issues appropriately.

But not under Johnson.

[Bentley Bullet]

If people on this forum do not condemn those that I highlighted earlier the same as they are condemning the Tory pest then they don’t really care about what’s going on as much as they do about scoring party political points. That’s my point and opinion.

And another opinion I don’t give a toss about Johnson I think he is an unprincipled liar and wouldn’t trust him to do what’s best for this country before doing what’s best for him.

I am not saying this happens very time, but Labour seem to deal with their miscreants appropriately but the Tories don’t.

The point of this thread is the Labour supporters on this forum don't!

[IDM]

But they needn’t if the party already has..

[Bentley Bullet]

Wouldn't make a ha'p'orth of difference. Surfing for anti-Tory transgressions is rife in the media, and this forum is no different. If any hint of wrongdoing is found it will most definitely be mentioned here. It wouldn't matter one iota if the matter had been dealt with or not. Take post 68 on this very thread for an example of that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.

Take a big deep breath and read post 68 again.

See if you can think what the issue is there.

[Bentley Bullet]

But you needn't post stuff like that if the party has already dealt with it.

[BobG]

But you and Gloucester persist in not seeing the difference in how the two parties have dealt with these  people. Post 68 is there to remind you of something you seem to have forgotten

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

But you needn't post stuff like that if the party has already dealt with it.

The point was that the Tory party DIDN'T deal with it when they first knew about it!

Dealing with it afterwards, after Johnson had been forced out, doesn't absolve them. It doesn't make them morally equivalent to a party that deals with such a think immediately.

Is that really so hard to see?

[Bentley Bullet]

But you and Gloucester persist in not seeing the difference in how the two parties have dealt with these  people. Post 68 is there to remind you of something you seem to have forgotten

BobG

I haven't forgotten, and in any case, I reckon the real reason you raised it again is more likely because you haven't got owt new to say.

Starmer's Labour party has spent most of its time trying to be popular by means of making the Tories unpopular. I don't blame it for that because that is what it is best at. What goes with that territory though is that to preach squeaky-clean virtues means you have to be shown to be squeaky-clean yourself. Of course, the Labour party is far from squeaky clean, but it takes pride in morality by taking quick action on those members who prove not to be squeaky clean.

If the Tory party had always over recent years quickly and effectively dealt with issues like this, it wouldn't have made a ha'p'orth of difference to you Tory haters. The accused would have been guilty from the start, and if they were found not guilty you'd have declared the outcome a whitewash.

[SydneyRover]

The only time I can remember the tory party doing anything swiftly about errant members is when truss was PM she just got everything else wrong is all

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.

Why do you do this?

Here's your argument:

One party deals with these issues quickly and effectively.

The other party has turned a blind eye for years.

But if we lived in a parallel universe where the other party had dealt with these things quickly and effectively, I think the people who I disagree with would be hypocrites.

Therefore they are hypocrites.

Don't you see how stupid this is?