Rishi Sunak

[belton rover]

Sunak will seem like a ‘breath of fresh air’ for the tories at the dispatch box after Bojo & Truss.

Time to step up to the mark Kier.

I agree, but I don’t think Starmer has it in him. Judging by the amount of open goals he’s failed to put away over the last two years, he’s not suddenly going to start scoring against a sturdy defence.

Starmer has seen off two Tory PMs so far. Judging by today's effort, I somehow don't see Sunak putting up much of a defence at PMQs.

Not that PMQs matters that much beyond political obsessives.

No, Sunaks big problem is the grim outlook for the economy.

Keith hasn't seen anybody off , at least not in the way you believe he has .

Did you ever see Starmer toying with Johnson at PMQ’s? It was like a cat playing with a mouse.

Yet he always let the mouse escape in the end. A cat worth its salt would have killed the mouse and brought it to its masters as a gift.

[i_ateallthepies]

Plainly she didn't have the support amongst MPs. For whatever reason they appear to have made the wrong choice again.

RD, my take on it is that had the 1922 committee come up with a system broad enough to give Mordaunt a chance of getting into a run-off against Sunak it would also have put Johnson back in the running.  They were very obviously scared stiff of it then going to the membership to choose.

Given that constraint I reckon they made the right choice.

[River Don]

PMQs is a diverting debate but it isn't a gladiatorial ring. Starmer did about as much it was possible to do in that he did bring forward and persue an issue that lead to the fall of the PM.

[River Don]

Plainly she didn't have the support amongst MPs. For whatever reason they appear to have made the wrong choice again.

RD, my take on it is that had the 1922 committee come up with a system that gave Mordaunt a chance of getting into a run-off it would also have put Johnson back in the running.  They were very obviously scared stiff of it then going to the membership to choose.

Given that constraint I reckon they made the right choice.

We will see but I think Sunak is more suited to the back room of the chancellorship than the front of house role of PM.

I think the real reason Mordaunt has been squashed, particularly by the Daily Mail and journalist Andrew Pierce is that she is too much of a centrist for their liking. Sunak is from the right of the party and a Brexiteer.

I think they knew Mordaunt was likely to win with the membership, so the vote couldn't be allowed to go that far.

[mugnapper]

This weeks Cabinet reshuffle incoming at 11.35am apparently.

[SydneyRover]

It will be xmas before maudant gets in another leadership bid

[BillyStubbsTears]

I really don't see the substance behind Sunak.

Yes he implemented furlough. That was an excellent policy but it wasn't his idea. It was already being rolled out across Europe. But I'll give him credit for that.

Against that, he was directly responsible for persuading Johnson not to lockdown in Sept 2020. He listened to the very worst arrogant scientific outsiders on the issue in Heneghan and Gupta. He reportedly threatened Johnson that he'd resign if we locked down. That was a catastrophically bad call. It led to the Autumn and Winter 2020 waves getting totally out of control, killing far more people than should have died and meaning we eventually had a 6 month lockdown.

On basic economics, he's regularly spouted absolute claptrap on the subject of the debt. And I don't say this from a political angle. He's just factually wrong when he's said we have to repay Govt debt. It's such a basic error, I genuinely don't believe that an Oxford PPE graduate could make it. Which means he is deliberately lying.

He's got away with those things because the Chancellor is not in the spotlight. No longer. Everything he does will be poured over. I genuinely hope he's up to it because God knows we are in a mess and the country needs strong and visionary leadership. But I'm not confident, given his record.

[ncRover]

Plainly she didn't have the support amongst MPs. For whatever reason they appear to have made the wrong choice again.

RD, my take on it is that had the 1922 committee come up with a system that gave Mordaunt a chance of getting into a run-off it would also have put Johnson back in the running.  They were very obviously scared stiff of it then going to the membership to choose.

Given that constraint I reckon they made the right choice.

We will see but I think Sunak is more suited to the back room of the chancellorship than the front of house role of PM.

I think the real reason Mordaunt has been squashed, particularly by the Daily Mail and journalist Andrew Pierce is that she is too much of a centrist for their liking. Sunak is from the right of the party and a Brexiteer.

I think they knew Mordaunt was likely to win with the membership, so the vote couldn't be allowed to go that far.

Sunak is not from the right of the conservatives

[ravenrover]

Strange that Political Commentators say that he is from the right and Hunt with a silent C is from the left

[ditch_drfc]

..  He reportedly threatened Johnson that he'd resign if we locked down. That was a catastrophically bad call. It led to the Autumn and Winter 2020 waves getting totally out of control, killing far more people than should have died and meaning we eventually had a 6 month lockdown...

This is obviously an old debate, but worth pointing out there's literally no basis for the above. A September lockdown was never going to suppress COVID in December/January. If nothing else because the alpha variant widely circulating until December.

Of course, Wales did lockdown in Autumn 2020. And saw a very similar trajectory as England.

This is completely off topic for this thread but I think history will judge lockdowns quite harshly.

[grayx]

First British-Asian PM! Congratulations

3 female PM's
1st British Asian PM

Meanwhile across the opposition benches ????

I wouldnt be gloating about the 3 female PM’s.
1 was awful, 1 was useless & 1 was barking mad.

[ravenrover]

Which was which or are you just describing Misstrussed?

[River Don]

Plainly she didn't have the support amongst MPs. For whatever reason they appear to have made the wrong choice again.

RD, my take on it is that had the 1922 committee come up with a system that gave Mordaunt a chance of getting into a run-off it would also have put Johnson back in the running.  They were very obviously scared stiff of it then going to the membership to choose.

Given that constraint I reckon they made the right choice.

We will see but I think Sunak is more suited to the back room of the chancellorship than the front of house role of PM.

I think the real reason Mordaunt has been squashed, particularly by the Daily Mail and journalist Andrew Pierce is that she is too much of a centrist for their liking. Sunak is from the right of the party and a Brexiteer.

I think they knew Mordaunt was likely to win with the membership, so the vote couldn't be allowed to go that far.

Sunak is not from the right of the conservatives

Soon after becoming an MP in 2015, Sunak wrote a report calling for the creation of ‘freeports’ around the UK for the right-wing think tank, Centre for Policy Studies (CPS), which was co-founded by Margaret Thatcher.

Sunak also worked for another right-wing think tank, Policy Exchange – which, like CPS does not declare its donors – before becoming an MP, and has spoken at the Institute of Economic Affairs since becoming chancellor. All three think tanks have been consistently ranked among the least transparent in the UK.

... If Sunak is not considered of the right in the current Conservative parliamentary party, then it can only show how far right the party as a whole has shifted.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Plainly she didn't have the support amongst MPs. For whatever reason they appear to have made the wrong choice again.

RD, my take on it is that had the 1922 committee come up with a system that gave Mordaunt a chance of getting into a run-off it would also have put Johnson back in the running.  They were very obviously scared stiff of it then going to the membership to choose.

Given that constraint I reckon they made the right choice.

We will see but I think Sunak is more suited to the back room of the chancellorship than the front of house role of PM.

I think the real reason Mordaunt has been squashed, particularly by the Daily Mail and journalist Andrew Pierce is that she is too much of a centrist for their liking. Sunak is from the right of the party and a Brexiteer.

I think they knew Mordaunt was likely to win with the membership, so the vote couldn't be allowed to go that far.

Sunak is not from the right of the conservatives

Ok yes he is. Just not from the totally flat earth batshit right.

He would have been way to the right of any Tory PM on the second half of the 20th century, Thatcher included.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1584827186233516033?t=KNdNuSa5vgCnXxFm8ogblA&s=19

Another classic bit of Joe Biden there.

[ncRover]

1. He’s a conservative, he’s not going to work for left wing think tanks is he?

2. In a now deleted tweet of support for Sunak, Tobias Ellwood said “the free market experiment is over”.

3. Truss, Badenoch and Braverman are more to the right than Sunak

[Axholme Lion]

Super rich. Can't see him winning any election.

[BillyStubbsTears]

..  He reportedly threatened Johnson that he'd resign if we locked down. That was a catastrophically bad call. It led to the Autumn and Winter 2020 waves getting totally out of control, killing far more people than should have died and meaning we eventually had a 6 month lockdown...

This is obviously an old debate, but worth pointing out there's literally no basis for the above. A September lockdown was never going to suppress COVID in December/January. If nothing else because the alpha variant widely circulating until December.

Of course, Wales did lockdown in Autumn 2020. And saw a very similar trajectory as England.

This is completely off topic for this thread but I think history will judge lockdowns quite harshly.

I disagree. A hard lockdown from early October would have transformed the situation. By New Year, we'd have suppressed the wave and we'd have been in with the vaccination programme.

The overarching message from Spring 2020 was that you didn't gain anything from delaying lockdowns. You only delayed the inevitable and when lockdown finally did come, it would be longer, harder and more costly than if you'd done it quickly.

You can just about excuse Governments for not getting it right in March 2020. There's no excuse for getting it wrong in Autumn 2020. And Sunak was the one who insisted on no lockdown then. And he appears to be proud of that stance. Which is...worrying.

[tyke1962]

 Cruella Braverman back as Home Secretary .

Here comes the union busting and anti protesting mandate .

[BillyStubbsTears]

1. He’s a conservative, he’s not going to work for left wing think tanks is he?

2. In a now deleted tweet of support for Sunak, Tobias Ellwood said “the free market experiment is over”.

3. Truss, Badenoch and Braverman are more to the right than Sunak

Genghis Khan was further to the right than Mussolini. Didn't stop Mussolini being a fascist.

If your case for Sunak not being on the right is the fact that he's a bit less extreme than three absolute headbangers, it's a flimsy one.

I'll say again. Sunak is much further to the right than any Tory PM of the second half of the 20th century.

[BillyStubbsTears]

PS.

Elwood would struggle to count to 5 on his fingers. I know that from personal experience with him.

Ellwood was screaming in February that we needed British troops on the ground in Ukraine. I wouldn't trust his judgement in a "Point to Tobias Ellwood" competition.

[wilts rover]

"This government will have integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level," says Rishi Sunak, shortly before appointing one of his supporters to a position they resigned from only last week after breaking the ministerial code.

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1584939991049781250

[ravenrover]

Integrity? From the man who received a fine for breaking lockdown rules. Painting over history methinks

[tommy toes]

What's Sunak thinking about bringing back that maniac as Home Sec.
Get ready for plenty of nastiness from her and Austerity from Hunt

[ncRover]

1. He’s a conservative, he’s not going to work for left wing think tanks is he?

2. In a now deleted tweet of support for Sunak, Tobias Ellwood said “the free market experiment is over”.

3. Truss, Badenoch and Braverman are more to the right than Sunak

Genghis Khan was further to the right than Mussolini. Didn't stop Mussolini being a fascist.

If your case for Sunak not being on the right is the fact that he's a bit less extreme than three absolute headbangers, it's a flimsy one.

I'll say again. Sunak is much further to the right than any Tory PM of the second half of the 20th century.

That’s 3 prominent members of that party that he belongs to though? I’m not saying he’s not on the right of the general political spectrum just within that party.

What makes him more right wing than Cameron?

[wilts rover]

"This government will have integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level," says Rishi Sunak, shortly before appointing one of his supporters to a position they resigned from only last week after breaking the ministerial code.

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1584939991049781250

Suella Braverman did not mistakenly leak a meaningless document. She endlessly consulted a maverick. She deliberately emailed a policy doc not yet agreed to her private email. Then she sent it to John Hayes and someone she thought was his wife. Then lied to PM about when it was sent:

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1584939423703396352

If you look at the full story from Tim Shipman on that link an interesting local connection is that the other person Braverman sent the documents to was an assistant for Andrew Percy, Goole & Isle MP. The assistant told Percy and it was he who then dobbed her in to Truss.

[tyke1962]

What's Sunak thinking about bringing back that maniac as Home Sec.
Get ready for plenty of nastiness from her and Austerity from Hunt

So she can put Mick Lynch and Dave Ward on a plane to Rwanda .

If the new laws start getting rolled out for protesting in the street I think Keith had better get off the fence .

[Donnywolf]

Plainly she didn't have the support amongst MPs. For whatever reason they appear to have made the wrong choice again.

RD, my take on it is that had the 1922 committee come up with a system that gave Mordaunt a chance of getting into a run-off it would also have put Johnson back in the running.  They were very obviously scared stiff of it then going to the membership to choose.

Given that constraint I reckon they made the right choice.

We will see but I think Sunak is more suited to the back room of the chancellorship than the front of house role of PM.

I think the real reason Mordaunt has been squashed, particularly by the Daily Mail and journalist Andrew Pierce is that she is too much of a centrist for their liking. Sunak is from the right of the party and a Brexiteer.

I think they knew Mordaunt was likely to win with the membership, so the vote couldn't be allowed to go that far.

Says a lot for the state of our democracy though if a Candidate who was thought likely to win is "prevented" or "persuaded" or " cajoled" or " add your own word here" NOT to !

I can't know whether she would ultimately be better for "the Country***" than Sunak BUT what if she would have been. Who are the losers ?

*** I mention that phrase as it suddenly has leapt back into everybodies vocabulary

Anyway I'm setting off for game now ... so hurl any   you want I won't see it 

[tyke1962]

Not sure you'd know with your head into GB News tyke

I have my head on this board most nights  but I don't support Donny Rovers .

Keep em coming Syd .

 

[wilts rover]

Not sure why people think Sunak is not right-wing? He is a big supporter of tax breaks for millionaires and deregulated low-tax zones aand is connected with at least two right-wing think-tanks (and spoke at a third) connected with Truss' failed experiment. He is as right-wing as you can get economically.

He also supported the Rwanda plan, refused free school meals for disadvantaged children during holidays in lockdown and refused to extend the £20 Universal Credit uplift.

Dont expect him to helping you or Doncaster Rovers anytime soon. Unless you are a multi-millionaire with a portfolio of 'blind trusts' in the Cayman Islands that you refuse to disclose the use of - like he has.