Matt Hancock

[phil old leake]

There’s obviously less hate for Hancock in the UK than what there is for him on here

[SydneyRover]

There’s obviously less hate for Hancock in the UK than what there is for him on here

If you hate him that's fine phil, but don't project your views onto others.

[Colin C No.3]

He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.


.... Or on this forum for that matter.

Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.

Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?

You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.

You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum! 

Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!

I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.

Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.

Because YOU used his ‘performance’ on ‘I wish I was someone who didn’t need to revert being on this programme to salvage any vestige of credibility’ or whatever its name is, to tell all & sundry what a ‘decent human being’ he is!

A word of advice to you.

When you hit rock, stop digging.

[Bentley Bullet]

He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.


.... Or on this forum for that matter.

Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.

Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?

You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.

You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum! 

Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!

I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.

Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.

Because YOU used his ‘performance’ on ‘I wish I was someone who didn’t need to revert being on this programme to salvage any vestige of credibility’ or whatever its name is, to tell all & sundry what a ‘decent human being’ he is!

A word of advice to you.

When you hit rock, stop digging.

Judging on general public reaction proves that I'm right and you're wrong, and it also proves that if I ever took advice from you I would most definitely be hitting rock bottom.

[phil old leake]

Syd don’t be your usual argumentative self. 
Making up nonsense as usual
Where have I said or inferred that I hate him or dislike him. 
Sometimes you stir sxxt  for the sake of it and other times you just stir sxxt. 

[SydneyRover]

There’s obviously less hate for Hancock in the UK than what there is for him on here

Would you like to point out where anyone has used the word hate in relation to matt handjob, phil, apart from you that iS?

[Colin C No.3]

He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.


.... Or on this forum for that matter.

Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.

Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?

You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.

You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum! 

Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!

I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.

Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.

Because YOU used his ‘performance’ on ‘I wish I was someone who didn’t need to revert being on this programme to salvage any vestige of credibility’ or whatever its name is, to tell all & sundry what a ‘decent human being’ he is!

A word of advice to you.

When you hit rock, stop digging.

Judging on general public reaction proves that I'm right and you're wrong, and it also proves that if I ever took advice from you I would most definitely be hitting rock bottom.

“..general public reaction…”!

Is that the ‘general public’ that watch ‘I’m a nobody who wants to be a somebody’ (or whatever it’s called), Love Island, Celebrity Squares, Celebrity SAS Who Dares Wins etc., etc.

Or is it the general public in the audience of Question Time held in Skipton last week (that I just happened to catch but wouldn’t watch usually with a ‘lightweight presenter’ like Fiona Bruce hosting it) who to a man/woman decried his presence on the ‘show’.

This person you claim you & others like you (NOT the general public) believe is ‘a decent human being’ simply because he gives you ‘enjoyment’ watching him crawling around a ‘TV set jungle’ speaks volumes about your small mindedness.

[mugnapper]

https://news.sky.com/story/matt-hancock-has-no-intention-of-standing-down-from-politics-after-im-a-celebrity-stint-12757108

If he's being honest here, I think he's  a fool.
Without doubt, the Tories are going to use him as the scapegoat at the Public Inquiry into Covid.
He needs to get out now and rake in as much cash as he can, in as short a period of time possible.

[Bentley Bullet]

He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.


.... Or on this forum for that matter.

Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.

Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?

You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.

You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum! 

Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!

I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.

Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.

Because YOU used his ‘performance’ on ‘I wish I was someone who didn’t need to revert being on this programme to salvage any vestige of credibility’ or whatever its name is, to tell all & sundry what a ‘decent human being’ he is!

A word of advice to you.

When you hit rock, stop digging.

Judging on general public reaction proves that I'm right and you're wrong, and it also proves that if I ever took advice from you I would most definitely be hitting rock bottom.

“..general public reaction…”!

Is that the ‘general public’ that watch ‘I’m a nobody who wants to be a somebody’ (or whatever it’s called), Love Island, Celebrity Squares, Celebrity SAS Who Dares Wins etc., etc.

Or is it the general public in the audience of Question Time held in Skipton last week (that I just happened to catch but wouldn’t watch usually with a ‘lightweight presenter’ like Fiona Bruce hosting it) who to a man/woman decried his presence on the ‘show’.

This person you claim you & others like you (NOT the general public) believe is ‘a decent human being’ simply because he gives you ‘enjoyment’ watching him crawling around a ‘TV set jungle’ speaks volumes about your small mindedness.

Na, I'm referring to normal level-headed folk who take people as they find them and are not influenced by bellyaching whingers with a grudge against anyone and anything that goes against their one-sided lefty-biased views.

[Colin C No.3]

Meanwhile we have the latest statement to come out of Tory Headquarters by the spokesperson from Bentley……yawn.

[Bentley Bullet]

The last time I voted for a Tory owd lad was Tony Blair in the 90's.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

What stuck out for me is how different he is versus how he acts in his job and that actually if he had more of the demeanour he has had on this in his job we'd all be in a better place. 

Which in reality sums up our politics and political journalism. There's so much emphasis from all sides and the press on catching someone out that it stifles personalities and distracts from the job they probably want to do.

Perhaps if we allowed our politicians from all sides to be themselves and normal people we'd be in a far better place.

Yet on the same day yesterday I saw Lisa nandy interviewed with Andrew Neil and she was massively on the backfoot and unable to coherently get a message out.

I also think Hancock should quit politics as it's holding him back as a person just like it did ed balls, Michael portillo and George Osbourne. All much more favourable figures outside of politics (even if you don't like trains).

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP.

I'd be more sympathetic if Hancock hadn't originally based his political career on setting out the utterly flawed supporting case for Osborne's Austerity.

As I've said before, there are only two reasons he could have done that.

1) He didn't understand the extent of his ignorance, in which case his personal ambition outstripped his ability.

2) He understood damn well that what he was saying was voodoo economics, in which case his personal ambition trumped his honesty.

You seem to be buying into the face he wants to show, that he's fundamentally a decent, honourable person who was destroyed by the media. And yes, I do absolutely agree that our political media is awful, in having as its key aim m, tripping up high profile politicians, rather than enabling a genuinely informative debate. Neil is the very worst of that sort.

But Hancock wasn't in the public eye when he made the Austerity case. So it wasn't the media pressure that made him do that. It was ignorance or immorality.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I forgot to add. If Hancock pushed the Austerity case through sheer ignorance, that happens. People make mistakes by not knowing the facts that they ought to do.

But having done that, and having had time to reflect on the cataclysmic nature of that mistake, a truly honourable person might have realised that their judgement shouldn't be used in matters of national importance ever again.

Instead, Hancock stayed in politics and became the Heath Secretary in the worst epidemic in a century. And he was personally responsible for the decision to send old folk out of hospitals and into care homes without tests.

He justified that by saying that only symotom-free people were discharged and we didn't then know that COVID could be spread asymptomatically.

Which neatly completes the circle on his competence. Because we knew in this very forum a month before that, that COVID was being spread asymptomatically.

Some folk might see him baring his soul, eating a sheep's t**t and giving people hugs, whike being paid the thick end of half a million quid and not doing the job that we pay him to do as some sort of evidence that he's basically a decent bloke. If you don't mind, I'll beg to differ.

[SydneyRover]

What I'm hearing about handjob as I've never watched the show ever, is that someone can act differently in a position that doesn't really matter as long as he plays along and collects something in the region of ₤400,000 quelle surprise to that one.

In the real world however he was a rich boy given the best start but couldn't manage under pressure and couldn't keep his hands off the hired help.

[Colin C No.3]

Whoa!

Would you ‘Adam & Eve’ it, Channel 4 has confirmed Mattcock has already put his name forward to appear on ‘Celebrity SAS ‘!

You couldn’t make it up.

A former Health Minister who sanctioned elderly patients to be discharged from hospitals back into their care homes without ensuring they were deemed free of covid, in fact not even screening them before their release from hospital, thus resulting in tens of thousands of care home residents contracting covid & dying as a result.

Still, let’s not kick a dog whilst it’s down eh.

[Bentley Bullet]

My argument with some of the Hancock haters is the sheer blatant hypocrisy they show when their sympathy for the victims of the government's mistakes is used as a cover for political reasons.

How many of them would have condemned their beloved Labour party with so much hate if exactly the same mistakes were made under their watch?

[SydneyRover]

You and phil use the word hate bb, probably as a wind up to try and draw people into an endless mindless debate about nothing.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Literally no-one else using the word or the sense of the word "hate".

I trust the mods are watching.

[Bentley Bullet]

Hate is feeling an intense dislike for.

I trust the mods know that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And yet you're determined to foment unnecessary arguments. How strange.

[Bentley Bullet]

What's strange is YOU accuse someone else of being determined to foment unnecessary arguments!

[Glyn_Wigley]

There’s obviously less hate for Hancock in the UK than what there is for him on here

What percentage of the IAC demographic do you think know or care who Hancock is?

[Glyn_Wigley]

My argument with some of the Hancock haters is the sheer blatant hypocrisy they show when their sympathy for the victims of the government's mistakes is used as a cover for political reasons.

How many of them would have condemned their beloved Labour party with so much hate if exactly the same mistakes were made under their watch?

IF Labour made the same disastrous mistakes under their watch they'd deserve the same amount of approbrium that the Tories got.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes. And?

[Glyn_Wigley]

AND I'm not going to play your pathetic little game and use the completely inappropriate word 'hate'.

[Bentley Bullet]

You're still a bit of a wet lettuce aren't you Mr Wiggerly!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Classic BB. Lose the argument, insult the person.

[Bentley Bullet]

I suspect your history of losing arguments has affected your ability to make sensible conclusions over their outcome.

[Colin C No.3]

Hate is feeling an intense dislike for.

I trust the mods know that.

Oh it’s a word that covers much more than “an intense dislike for”.

The word HATE covers many forms of expression which advocate, incite, promote or ‘justify’ hatred, violence & discrimination against a person or a group of persons.

Perhaps you might reflect on that (although I doubt you have the mental capacity to) before you arbitrarily use the word to describe other posters who disagree with your stance on a subject.

Matt Hancock (despite his decision, when Health Minister to allow elderly people with covid to leave hospitals & return to care homes which resulted in tens of thousands of deaths) doesn’t warrant hatred aimed at him. He was in a position where he was not just out of his depth, he was deluded, weak, self opinionated, ill informed & ultimately dangerously empowered.

For the decisions he made then he is worthy of being loathed, discredited, derided,  dismissed but hated….no.

His latest venture to show the world he was ‘a good & decent man’ by joining other like minded, self indulgent so called ‘celebrities’, whilst being an acting MP actually shows him to be nothing more than a self promoting, greedy, pathetic specimen of a man.

Hated? No. Pitied? Maybe (if you possess a big enough heart). Ridiculed? Absolutely.