Labour top brass getting down to business

[drfchound]

But, but, but, Starmer must be good, the Labour Party has a massive lead in the polls.
I agree with that post above by albie that Starmer offers little to attract voters, except of course those who vote Labour whatever the circumstances.

[albie]

Put both brain cells in contact before replying, BST.

No-one thinks Labour in 2010 was the same as the Tories.
The point is that the policy offer did not resonate....Labour continued the decline in votes that was underway from the previous new Labour administration.

Intellectual vacuity eh, have a good look in the mirror Lad!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Albie.

What exactly do you think it was in Labour's policy platform that led to the loss of support in 2010?

[SydneyRover]

It is not just a question of Tory or Labour, Sunak or Keith....it is also do the policies and principles on offer meet your standards.

There is little point in change if the agenda to be followed is a neo-liberal repeat of previous administrations.
The objective is to usher in a new suite of policies which support the interests of working class people.

Sunak is a waste of space, but Keith is only offering new managers of the same discredited system, not a new agenda.
Habitual lies to get the leadership, constant reversal of stated pledges, a shadow cabinet full of yes men.
Anti trade union, refusing to back industrial action on cost of living crises, anti socialist in the unlawful purge of dissent, and failure to bring key economic sectors into the public realm, like water, energy and rail, is not a transformative offer.

Saying to people vote for me, I may be slightly less shit than him, is not an attractive ticket.
What has Starmer got to offer Labour supporters to enthuse voters?

Starmer has set out no vision to meet the future, only a return to the position which caused many to lose faith with Labour with the disastrous vote share in 2010.

Brilliant post, Albie.

And you wonder why I call you naive

[ncRover]

https://twitter.com/sarahconnorfem/status/1615422902127497222?s=46&t=-cy4M9ZP08RAu_gTTFG4EA

I can see this being a way in which Labour loses votes. Wait for the Labour MP reaction at the end. Nothing to counter any of her points in his childish response.

[SydneyRover]

tiny storm in small teacup, he's apologised (in writing to her) for the delivery but stands by the content

[drfchound]

It’s okay, he apologised. 

[ncRover]

tiny storm in small teacup, he's apologised (in writing to her) for the delivery but stands by the content

Exactly, he stands by the content. That’s a problem too.

[SydneyRover]

then you should explain why

[ncRover]

then you should explain why

My personal opinion aligns with that of Miriam Cates, I can’t find any issue with anything she said. It will align with a lot of the electorate as well, not just the ones who are active in political and cultural discussion on Twitter.

[SydneyRover]

It's just a bit stitched is all, does it frighten you?

[ncRover]

It's just a bit stitched is all, does it frighten you?

You’re not going to change my views and I’m not going to change yours. Don’t be so patronising.

The point I was making was that it will be a sticking point for a lot of the general electorate, that is all. And making them out to be small-minded bigots about it won’t change that either.

[SydneyRover]

Not trying to change your views nc, I'm trying to understand you, what is it that you don't like?

[ravenrover]

Syd, why are you so interested in UK politics?

[SydneyRover]

Cos I was born their have family and friends there and politics is international how about you RR?

[scawsby steve]

It is not just a question of Tory or Labour, Sunak or Keith....it is also do the policies and principles on offer meet your standards.

There is little point in change if the agenda to be followed is a neo-liberal repeat of previous administrations.
The objective is to usher in a new suite of policies which support the interests of working class people.

Sunak is a waste of space, but Keith is only offering new managers of the same discredited system, not a new agenda.
Habitual lies to get the leadership, constant reversal of stated pledges, a shadow cabinet full of yes men.
Anti trade union, refusing to back industrial action on cost of living crises, anti socialist in the unlawful purge of dissent, and failure to bring key economic sectors into the public realm, like water, energy and rail, is not a transformative offer.

Saying to people vote for me, I may be slightly less shit than him, is not an attractive ticket.
What has Starmer got to offer Labour supporters to enthuse voters?

Starmer has set out no vision to meet the future, only a return to the position which caused many to lose faith with Labour with the disastrous vote share in 2010.

Brilliant post, Albie.

And you wonder why I call you naive

Two things. First of all, I don't wonder about anything regarding your opinion of me, because it's a total irrelevance.

Secondly, when it comes to intellect and political knowledge, Albie is light years ahead of you, so it's hardly surprising that I value his posts more than yours.

OK?

[SydneyRover]

Firstly why write about something of total irrelevance, secondly I call Albie naive because he like you  not only doesn't have an alternative plan he doesn't have a plan.

PS if you were at all correct about the 'in spite of' garbage, you'd expect all the other parties to be % wise doing better than labour right Steve?

[scawsby steve]

Firstly why write about something of total irrelevance, secondly I call Albie naive because he like you  not only doesn't have an alternative plan he doesn't have a plan.

PS if you were at all correct about the 'in spite of' garbage, you'd expect all the other parties to be % wise doing better than labour right Steve?

You're not listening to BST enough. He's repeatedly said, and quite rightly so, that opposition parties don't win elections, governments lose them.

Labour's ahead in the polls because this government's so atrocious that anyone could lead the Labour Party to victory in 2024. Even Donald Duck, or even you; or even worse still, Keith.

[SydneyRover]

And like Albie when I ask him, you don't answer the questions posed

[danumdon]

Irony alert , again.

Bloke who never gives a straight answer to a question complains when others wont answer his questions.

[scawsby steve]

And like Albie when I ask him, you don't answer the questions posed

What questions haven't I answered? Do you mean that nonsense about an alternative plan? There isn't an alternative plan. Labour will win in 2024 despite having a sh*t leader.

That's what I've said all along.

[SydneyRover]

By the man who cannot stop throwing insults

[danumdon]

By the man who cannot stop throwing insults

I take it your referring to my post, no insult here just an observation that most have already made.

[SydneyRover]

And like Albie when I ask him, you don't answer the questions posed

What questions haven't I answered? Do you mean that nonsense about an alternative plan? There isn't an alternative plan. Labour will win in 2024 despite having a sh*t leader.

That's what I've said all along.

why do you carry on like this Steve, is it that difficult, how do you get a leader with policies from the left or far left into power?

Where's your plan?


steve! ....... STEVE!

[ravenrover]

Cos I was born their have family and friends there and politics is international how about you RR?

I live here, you don't

[SydneyRover]

Cos I was born their have family and friends there and politics is international how about you RR?

I live here, you don't

My dad's bigger than your dad

[SydneyRover]

''Boris Johnson given £1m donation by former Brexit party backer
Tech investor Christopher Harborne’s gift to former PM’s personal office is one of biggest ever recorded to individual UK politician''

''Boris Johnson has received a donation of £1m from a Thai-based British businessman who had previously given millions of pounds to Nigel Farage’s Brexit party, the newly released register of MPs’ interests has shown''

''Harborne, who began as a management consultant, has lived in Thailand for about 20 years, where he is also known under the Thai name of Chakrit Sakunkrit''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/12/boris-johnson-given-1m-donation-by-former-brexit-party-backer

hmmm

[drfchound]

Hmmm what?
If the donation is declared and all above board then what is wrong with it.

[SydneyRover]

Cos I was born their have family and friends there and politics is international how about you RR?

I live here, you don't

When I corrected you about the bbc the other day a little bell rang and then I remembered you've done this before, reminding me how the forum works ....... for you at any rate, 'you correct me even though I'm wrong' and there'll be payback .....

he he, nice one RR.

[ravenrover]

Cos I was born their have family and friends there and politics is international how about you RR?

I live here, you don't

My dad's bigger than your dad

Yes probably is, my Dad died down the pit when I was 10